with a borderless internal space the showing an area which has caused the migration problem in the first place i first visited the song at camp near cali in the late one nine hundred ninety s. the migration crisis that we're talking about now didn't start in two thousand and fifteen it started in the one nine hundred ninety s. when italy joined the schengen zone and from that moment onwards the borders of the mediterranean were on the english channel yeah and it's there is a direct relation of cause and effect and what we saw in two thousand and sixteen after hungary and and the other countries built fences to close off the balkan route is that national solutions are the ones that solve this problem not european ones and we are now i hope seeing the same result with the italians who are taking matters into their own hands nationally defending their national territory and it's only by doing that with because they have that the navy they have the ability to do

it that this solution will end prior to the imposition of national solutions the habit was and it's a very bad structural problem in the e.u. it was that countries would simply let the migrants in like greece and italy and then send them north to germany in other words they were they were bigger than a neighbor policies which is a structural problem in the you so i think we need to finish with this idea that the solution is european the problem is european role in the the arguments that are left in the media of media is that it's already been mentioned this program think it was you demographics the need the need for our workers new workers but i mean looking at the evidence i don't see a lot of these migrants particularly since two thousand and fifteen are employed across the european union they do take state benefits and in most of the country the european union have asked airily so you have very large youth unemployment so why this impulse to keep bringing in more people. unless it just cheap labor go

ahead roland. you know indeed this is a new especially if we take into account the current trend thought out some of the station. large parts of the traditional labor falls especially blue collar workers will be dismissed over the coming years and unfortunately most of those who cross you know a girl or ways to europe do not have an indication do not have any kind of qualification and a recent study of the european ministry of labor. that it was very difficult to qualify more than twenty to twenty five percent of all coming over the coming years to get the job and in fact the job acceptance rate employment rate of migrants and refugees is very low so this is indeed a problem and this is a myth indeed he's partly to being dismissed because it will always last

correspond to the truth but let me just say something to my previous speaker. in many ways of his opinion that we need a dramatic change in immigration policy because we cannot go on like this and i think more and more europeans have understood that is as the recent elections all over europe have shown ok on the right gentlemen i have to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on immigration stay with arcade. match geysers financial survival guide liquid assets not those that you can convert music as quite easily. to keep in mind though as a tremendous place

a. record. shows seemed wrong but old rules just don't hold. any new coal has yet to shape out this day comes to educate and in games from an equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. the way to the united states is dangerous for most of the illegal immigrants. come to us that's

a lot of sympathy i want to become lost and i won the last post on this but many of them look for refuge in the so called sentries sides of the draft used to share information about undocumented migrants with federal authorities. bank. i see them or know they are the best and i get them in a lot less and the more that. they have the water they all choose to stay in the country with donald trump in the white house all of the political rivals. the have to be bad to be. a since it struggles of many couples won't. kill the chance of putting food in both. of you up of up to the bulk of the. welcome across the uk where all things are considered i'm peter to remind you we're discussing immigration.

ok let's go back to roland you want me right before we do the rick you want to finish your point please do. you know i just wanted to say that i am not going into this of the same opinion in one crucial point which is i think we need more europe and not less europe to solve the crisis and i give you a practical example today we have to harmonize the as the laws and it is the most urgent issue to solve today it is possible that a migrant that is not accepted in one country for example in germany can just switch country and restart applying in another country for example it meets france and if you doesn't succeed kiyoshi doesn't succeed there they just switch on and go we have to how nice their laws to accept and see because we have to harmonize to reduce duration and of course we have to harmonize that a collaboration of secure. the regions for example germany has the clear parts

of afghanistan a secure country and doesn't accept this interim sequence they just sweep streets a league in their accepted because italy has not declared parts of afghanistan to secure so we have urgently to find transnational european solutions to these problems otherwise we will not be able to stop the crisis ok i just can see in paris john is really disagreeing let me go to ralph well quickly it seems to me that roland you want to create the united states of europe and everything to date shows that's not what people want no one ever asked the europeans if they ever wanted that route let me go to you are not a very important issue there isn't being brought up here and this applies to the united states and europe is that there are criminal gangs making a fortune off of this scam ok bringing people in their n.g.o.s you know they do gooders but no they're blinded by ideology they're there pat they're ideologically possessed they have a hatred for their own culture

a hatred for europe they want to just wipe it away and fill it up with foreign alien people i'm sorry to sound so politically incorrect but that is true. particularly the criminal gangs in the south of the south in the mexican border and all through the mediterranean you have a lot of people preying on some very weak people and i'd like to point out also that it's often forgotten the people that do want to immigrate to the united states and to europe they should stay in their own country and build their own country ok and set of having the west have to subsidize them in their own country where they left ok that's a lot said right there go ahead rolf. yeah i do agree to a certain extent because i once raised a question even when the press conference with mrs merkel and she made the same mistake that many people do it was also in our discussion here now that we mix migration issues that asylum you know to uphold the asylum the right of assad which is a human right and we have to upload to those who need it we cannot make stepped issue

with migration now what i do agree with is that what we see at the moment at the mexican border is probably a step up by deep state or by some people who want to make me stop trying to act mr trump is not on your because he remembers what happened to do as mark of an untreated suddenly had to refugees coming in and this was advertised as the fuckin route by the media not to beginning up this year sometime in spring i watched a program on c.n.n. there was a colleague on the report a colleague on the on a bus tour from central america to watch the. us border and reporting from it and advertising it kind of saying out as the way to go to the united states of course you can instigate and obviously this stuff trump is facing because now i'm not. crying children and parents being arrested of all that i don't think that he wants to see that but it's now a fact that they want to carry him red tape like did it with mrs merkel and ben was

the only two time state and government in the last twelve years one decision was less about a financial crisis and she pumped billions into banking banking systems aiding banking systems the second decisions he made during the twelve iran was in two thousand to say ok these people sleeping on train stations stick and caught but after that she lost control and this is what people voting for right wing parties and leftists do make the mistake especially in germany i see that they do not have an answer to the sentiments of people we are able to take many more refugees it's a. the problem because we are rich coming but we have to take care of people who are already in germany first and then we can say become. worthless but asylum should be separate from that because there's no limit to the that's a human right you know john a lot has been said since he last spoke there and i can read your mind this far away that more europe is not the solution juxtaposition when our friend roland had

to say go ahead john. yes i wanted to come back to that point in response to the question you asked about the economic rationale you rightly put your finger on the paradox that immigration is justified economically because it keeps wages down and gives a supply of cheap labor and so on but that in reality of course many of the migrants end up being out of work and in any case there's a lot of youth unemployment in europe by asking that question peter you have highlighted the point i made in my first answer namely that the ideological reasons that i referred to which are european are not motivated by economic good sense we can have a debate about whether or not you need cheap labor britain by the way is an economic model for that because britain has imported millions of low cost workers from poland and romania since two thousand and four and we've seen the effects of that

on the economy an increase in g.d.p. and a collapse in productivity but that's not what's driving the immigration ideology it's it's precisely not economic rational it is instead ideology you know it's important to recall that one of the founding fathers of the european integration is movement richard fun couldn't move in one nine hundred twenty five called for the races of europe or to be mixed with other bloods for the european race to be mixed with other bloods in order to create a new european of the future he had a sort of racialist if you accept the other way around from the nazis who wanted racial mix city racial diversity and this idea which he first published in one thousand twenty five he's a big figure he was the first president of the of the council of europe for example this idea remains alive today in the minds of european leaders particularly incidently german ones. now president of the. for many years the german minister of

finance. said in an interview indeed sight in two thousand and sixteen that if we didn't have migrants and we kept them out then europe would descend into incest he used the word incest and similarly the german president york in the dark said we needed migrants to get rid of the idea that me being german means being white and being christian so there is a very clear ideological drive here to inject new populations into europe in order to change the structure of those populations and that is part of the european dream it's part of the post national europe but just goes very very john and that's why our in europe is not the how would that make europe better i don't get it ok i travel through europe all the time i don't see it's improving i see it's declining rapidly go area bishop john peter peter the bolshevik revolution didn't make russia better but that didn't mean that people didn't believe in it they believed in it

because it's an ideology it's a post national ideology which these people want to implement by replacing the population in their crazy minds that's what they're doing ok we're all in it you know italy has been here very hard by this immigration crisis we can use that word i mean shouldn't italy on its own be able to decide what happens with inside its borders i mean why is it waiting for merkel ways and waiting for brussels why is it waiting for this summit that's going to happen in the weekend i mean italy's a sovereign country care it should take care of its people first particularly the unemployment a bit so you think it's critical right now go ahead roland and at talian have to decide for themselves go ahead well i did that is exactly what is happening now after the last elections of march for. the biggest.

need to leave and in fact the new government is blocking. ngo ship saying they're not democratically controlled the new government he's seeking but there's a patient of spain and he's putting merkel especially in german chancellor under strong pressure to find a different solution only solution is needed in europe is to control the out of borders we have to retake control as being council president on the old and state at the ready to go in for and we have to regain control of for up to borders yellow whatever that's what about it i'm sorry we're all right what about italy's borders what about italy's borders isn't that the first thing you should be thinking about first and italians or yeah the second thing is that in this point you're absolutely right italy is forced to take control over its own borders many more or less alone why i give you an example from. official agency of border

protection in europe is based in washoe and features four hundred four collaborators to protect the whole of. europe and has total budget of two hundred eighty one million which is one hundred of work germany alone spent a year for the refugees which it said this proportion that cannot be upheld weir's known portion that yeah that's an understatement my friend is that's an understatement ok we are at amazing let me go to raul fear i mean ralph if we could put put aside all the ideology and all the virtues signaling what so what some concrete things to do in the united states i think there should be built a wall then there won't be any children torn from their parents ok it won't happen what can you hear or do as a first step in your mind a practical step. but i own i would probably ask for a moment i know it is to live on that island oil and we don't want to see voids any

more oil and we don't want to see voids that anymore. i understand that in the united states it's a different start and of course the wall that we had to keep people from fleeing from dare come in to a country so it's a bit different of course to compare these two was generally i think there has to be better ways now as europe means we should commonly discuss how we can beg love in countries where my friends have to leave their country because they feel not safe the second point is the kind of course groups things in those countries follow negotiating d.e.v.'s to europe in partnership agreements of africa i've spent a lot of time out in africa at the moment and you know you see you know. if we're almost out of time but one thing the west could do is stop bombing those countries so these people won't flee ok that would be a first good practical step we've run out of time gentlemen many thanks to my guests and parents and we've got to end thanks to our viewers for watching us here

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are broadcasting live from our studios in moscow this is our. tongues glad to have you with. twitter's fake news crusade seems to have backfired it has emerged that funds diverted from ad revenue from r t actually before we were banned from advertising on the site actually boosted the spread of false stories about supposedly russian bots in france donald quarter went over the details with our very own you know neil. it all started with twitter as anti dissent for mation campaign and that was where it funded research organizations to collect fake to collect information on fake news outlets and one of these in for one of these organizations was belgian ngo disinfo lab following when you pollutions during the twenty sixteen u.s. campaign which involved the purchase of commercials by russia today in sputnik to be committed to redistribute the one point nine million dollars to organizations fighting this information. received one hundred twenty five thousand dollars in

january twenty. second january what i've been doing with a lot of they come up with sits well they formed a list of twitter users which who are writing a lot about what was called the but now a case and that was one french president macron his bodyguard was labeled a so-called rusa file now these users were also branded groups of files and some high profile people on the list didn't take too kindly to that hey stupid spook i'm not a russian but it's just me who tweets against you if you need to leave me to remember is that you are even dumber than you look so i number one four four five two. purchased ration number one four eight zero two database censorship manipulation of information the secret service nice new world but then how did the story of a kremlin twitter plot against the money will appear which it did how did that come

about well the mainstream media took this to a whole new level there were people talking about a russian plot and even disinfo lab itself was surprised at this interpretation we did not modify the conclusions of our study a lot of media reported that we studied and identified that there had been russian meddling that the russian state orchestrated interference in the banal a scandal we never said this the fact that lawmakers all the government spokesperson immediately exploded this for political ends created this sort of hype that was never the object of our study but here's the kicker our team paid twitter one point nine million dollars for advertising and ironically after they blocked our t.v. and sputnik from advertising on twitter part of that money was used to fund this disinfo lab research project and now this research is being used by the mainstream media to slander russia itself. iran's supreme leader has rejected holding talks with the us following president trying to offer of

a meeting to improve bilateral ties. negotiations with a highly demanding regime and a bullying one like the us are not a tool to decrease hostility goshi ation is not a tool to lessen hostilities with the us but negotiation is a tool in their hands to impose hostility. well in a bluntly worded to tweet ayatollah khomeini railed at he was officials comments about iran and for commenting on war actually to which the ayatollah stated that there will be neither war nor negotiations or relations have been increasingly strained of four months since the us re imposed sanctions now those have been suspended as part of the two thousand and fifteen nuclear deal which the us withdrew from in may now under the new us sanctions iran is barred from buying american dollars and also from trading in metals including silver and gold besides

that it limits the overall flow of iranian currency and targets the country's auto industry ahead of re-imposing sanctions on iran trump threatened dire consequences only to backtrack days later offering an olive branch to iranian president rouhani never ever threaten the united states again or you will suffer consequences the likes of which few throughout history have ever suffered before we are no longer a country that will stand for your demented words of violence and death be cautious flight believe in meeting i would certainly meet with iran if they wanted to meet i don't know that they're ready yet the preconditions know they want to meet only any time they want. besides iran there is also anger at the united states from neighboring turkey as president has described the new have to trade tariffs against a fellow nato ally as a breach of trust. you act on one side as

a strategic partner but on the other you five bullets into the foot of your strategic partner together in nato and then you seek to stab your strategic partner in the back. tariffs slapped on turkey come in the wake of a dispute over the detention of an american pastor aluminum duties have been raised twenty percent while turkish steel is down subject to a fifty percent increased tariff it is said to turkish lira plummeting in value hitting a record low against the us dollar turkish stocks have tumbled as well we heard from political experts in ankara and to tehran for their take on the u.s. politics. not only in by literally but also in the context of nato we have a crisis reach full probably continue to increase and the turkish reaction is very strong the public in turkey is under. they do consider this as an act it gives the turkish national interest and it is considered as an economic war

where the american money play to the turkish economy this crisis in america and turkey will have further consequences for the original global development i think donald trump. playing with fire the when trump behaves like that towards towards turkey then obviously iranian leaders say that. talking to trump is useless when trump speaks about negotiating with the iranians the iranians say well first. show that you are committed to a peaceful solution and show that you are prepared to abide by american commitments and then we can start thinking. the notion of negotiation one day threatens iran with. death and destruction and a few days later he speaks about unconditional talks his secretary of state says

one thing he says something else so he's reliable he's untrustworthy he's an erratic and he's not someone that the iranians can deal with. new revelations have emerged on cia director general hospital's past involvement in the torture of terror suspects the files were released by the national security archive and date back to two thousand and two when hospital ran a secret cia detention center in thailand they describe torture sessions run by psychologists working as contractors for the cia techniques that ranged from physical abuse and psychological harassment to isolation in the box. de jos included who did confinement of machinery in the large box forced nudity adjusting his shackles and slamming him against the. interrogators covered the subjects head with the hood and left him on the wall to. shaking and asking god to help him repeatedly. interrogators were going to get the truth out of the subject eventually

. well these are the details on the interrogation of an al qaeda terrorist captured in two thousand and two he spent four years in cia black sites including the one in thailand under gina hospitals watch he was subsequently transferred to guantanamo bay where he is now his case was highlighted back in two thousand and fourteen by the senate intelligence committee that committee released a report saying interrogators had obtained no useful information from him however when questioned by the senate before taking office has one system that intelligence gained from al qaeda suspects had proved vital. the president has asserted that torture works do you agree with that statement. sen i am i don't believe that torture works i believe as many people directors who have sat in this chair before me that valuable information was obtained from senior al qaeda

operatives that allowed us to defend this country and prevent another attack former cia officer ray mcgovern says war crimes were perpetrated at the black site in thailand gina has girl was not was playing fast and loose with the truth that her hearing and she was allowed to do that she was allowed to classify the gerakan tory information on herself before the hearing she supervised the torture to see the graphic and detail here on the in terry walling does nothing short of banging someone's head into a wall in the water treatment that's waterboarding condemned by all manner of nations because it was practiced by the japanese general or to war crime and so to see this kind of thing revealed in gory detail blue only solace i get from this is the fact that our system of law sometimes works and that is that the national security archive that did a freedom of and.