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crosstalk. hello and welcome to cross talk are all things considered on peter lobo u.s. president donald trump has repeatedly said he wants better relations with russia he did finally have his long sought summit with lot of near putin both presidents called it a success the american political class and corporate media describe the helsinki summit as a failure and trump even worse are the united states and russia destined to be enemies forever. crosstalk. i'm joined by my guest brian becker in washington he's the director of

the answer coalition as well as host of loud and clear a daily news show on radio sputnik also in washington we have earl rescues and he is the executive vice president of the eurasia center and in managua we cross sudan like he is an adjunct professor of law at the university of pittsburgh as well as author of the plot to scapegoat russia all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it dan when did you finish writing your book the date. yes last last year like last friday so what did you know that we didn't know then because it sounds like an absolutely perfect idol for the moment in the current news cycle go ahead. well russia has been a scapegoat of the united states for a long long time you know we could go as far back certainly as nine hundred seventeen but certainly after or two we had you know what was known as the cold war

which. centered upon the vilification of russia to justify the u.s. is. benchers abroad and we are in a new cold war now and we were it was an it they wrote and it seems to be only a tense of five even though the soviet union collapsed in one thousand nine hundred one the us has developed by russian paint some enemy that it's not ok brian what do you know what i find really interesting and it's a saga that's been going on here is that it seems to me that i'm very very often the united states and its western allies particularly nato they project all of their own sins upon russia ok meddling in other people's election well we could spend an entire month on a daily basis going through all of the meddling that the united states and its allies have been involved in for the last few decades and it would still be a cursory review i mean it seems to me that russia places other the op is the

negative of what we want to see in ourselves go ahead. absolutely i mean if you if you go through and people have gone through the record of the united states not just interfering in other elections including rush's in one thousand nine hundred six there's that famous time a writing of boris yeltsin with the american flag and it says yanks to the rescue because america flooded moscow with american advisors and millions of dollars to make sure their candidate or as yeltsin won otherwise the communist party in russia would have actually been the winner but it's not just interference if the us doesn't like the results of elections after they've tried to influence them then they overthrow the government this is what happened with the democratically elected government of mohammad most that day in iran it dared to nationalize the anglo iranian oil company now known as b.p. so of course the u.s. overthrew it and imposed on iran the shah the monarch you can't get more or less democratic government there's

a long history of this the united states the media presentation here is so incredible you had donald trump going to europe meeting with the nato countries demanding that they spend one hundred thirty two billion dollars more a group get for really a confrontational position against russia and then he gets to russia i mean to helsinki and meets with putin and the american media says this is the surrender some end or some and acting as if you know here's a united states spend seven hundred eighty billion dollars on war every year russia spent sixty billion and you had russia's on the march you know early and rideable and russia is that then spending is on decline right now ok it's not being increased here early does the united states need brushes an enemy is this the it because it to justify all of these expenditures ok i mean brian is a logic lee looking at it but logic good politics don't always parlay ok i need

a sensually we need an enemy justifies is here montenegro. it is good it is adding value added to nato defense ok montenegro's army is smaller than the new york police force ok but we need an enemy here is that would russia's purposes because it's really easy to paint russia is as an enemies because because it really demands stubbornly its sovereignty go ahead. and i agree pete peter i mean we mean we mean let's face it it's the fence industry we need an enemy. nato is searching for a new mission i mean really it's a good defense grouping but you know should russia be included in that as well and and what's the real mission the mission has is is not there i don't think there's any fear for russia invading into any part of europe. but. but it you know you need a boogie man you need a net you need a threat to justify defense expenditures i mean why dives and how are you nope

cited be be aware of the defense industry and they all do great things they do some you know positive researchers a lot of people employed but you know to grow business you need more threats and so i think it is in some ways that it's a business that. the rocket you know and central that's what it wards the rocket in conflict is a racket and a lot of people make money from it you know dan the world cup just ended here in russia and moscow is one of the major centers for the for the matches and i purposely went into the center of town almost every single day and ran into people some people recognised me and are in a cafe people would ask me questions or direction or some we get into a conversation and i purposely said what are you most surprised about and the reaction was almost universal people were exasperated i had no idea this place was

like this because in the u.k. they tell us a completely different story they even told us it could be dangerous to come here and the reaction was anger anger that you know what the hell were they telling us go ahead dan. yeah you know i mean that vilification of russia is frankly you mind boggling here's a country that right after nine eleven was a first world leader call president bush and send his condolences he offered help in the war on terror on the war on terror terror russia is actually flying of very constructive role. in the middle east even israel is finding russia to be. partner in the middle east. this vilification has no. where i don't need that. and as you pointed out what appears to be greatly resented in the political halls of the united states is that

russia's got back on its feet yeah and it is a country that is livable and it is a country that people are happy in and that's why they have a very high approval rating for their president and i think that is life or surprise when they go there and it's not some kind of a hellhole yeah that's what we're in and i should point out to our viewers that russia is the second country after the united states destination for immigrants russia is number two in the world people do want to come here though i suppose you would never hear that on c.n.n. brian you know another thing is here it's russia is a reliable enemy but it's also one of the only bipartisan issue that you get america's divided political class and it really works ok it brings people together all right and i think that that's also its purpose ok is that and it's also

a justification for the democrats why they lost the election because they still can't come to terms with that they were remain in denial go ahead brian well there's another issue that there's a bipartisan support in there too are closely linked which is the absolute support for the military industrial complex in the intelligence agencies so both the democrats and republicans routinely and almost unanimously support these gargantuan increases in the u.s. military budget again it was in eighty two billion dollars increase even crease this year that's more than russia's entire military budget that was supported by the democrats and the republicans so they come together on this issue and in russia as our other guests have said is an essential part of the expansion of the u.s. military machine because what are we going to why are we going to spend a trillion dollars a year on wars are going to be. that's grenada is it going to be against little tiny countries you need a major power sort of enemy and then the national security strategy that was

unveiled in january and trump himself came out to do it maybe because some of his narcissism he came out to announce it unlike previous presidents it says that the main priority for the u.s. military in the coming decade in decades is not islamic terrorism it's not terrorism at all it's for major power confrontation with russia and china that's budgeting that's budgeting and military contingency planning now to do that you have to really paint the adversary as an adversary so it's an article of faith there's a new religion in washington d.c. which is called i hate religion i hate russia russia is the enemy and we almost bought it and genuflect at the altar of this new religious icon and that's the way you can take the american people's money heart yearned tax dollars which could be used for housing and health care and education the things human beings need and

shovel it over to the defense contractors you have to explain to them that it's an absolute national imperative to do that in order to carry out this looting of the national budget and that's what we're witnessing right and he let me go to let me go to earl before we go to the break you manufactured consent this is what be in its most recent incarnation it's a it's a manufactured consent and and and i want to talk about the intelligence committee in the second half of the program but the liberal media loves it and they they perpetrated go ahead girl thirty seconds. if it is manufactured consent tenet and i believe it's probably orchestrated some somewhere in the dark corners as well i mean look what we have here we have mccarthyism two point zero even if you shake that ambassador's hand at a reception yeah hero who your her your her putin are that you know not yet meeting you know young lady that was just arrested because she was you know she had she had

some kind of agenda here i mean b. because she's not a foreign agent well hell hath of washington she'd be a foreign agent under the under those strictures here ok i'm sorry early but let me jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the supposed be a state with r.t. . the way to the united states is dangerous for most of the illegal immigrants. cause you know how most of us thought there was a simple but i want to take on last one the last post on this but if many of them look for refuge in the so-called sentries sides of the draft used to share information about undocumented migrants with federal authorities how to best person

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dollars. china is building two point one billion dollars a i industrial park but don't let the numbers overwhelm. the only numbers you need to remember is one one does not show you can afford to miss the one and only. when a loved one is murdered it's natural to seek the death penalty for the murder i would need me to and the death penalty just because i think that's the fair thing the right thing research shows that for every night. on the executions one convict is found innocent the idea that we were executing innocent people was terrifying there's just no room hasn't been that we want even many of the times families want the death penalty to be abolished the respect they get pelley hears because that's what murder victims' families want that's going to give them peace that's going to give them justice and we come in saying. not quite through this this isn't the

way. you know world's big partners through the lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door. and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks.

welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peterbilt to remind you we're discussing rusa phobia. ok let's go back to dan in managua i think also part of what brian was saying this new religion as it were that so bipartisan in the in the liberal media loves to propagate isn't why should i think we should question the intelligence community i think it's a really important thing to do i mean again if you go back and look at the. history of their behavior will i mean bay of pigs that mean their involvement in vietnam all the issues surrounding nine eleven i mean there's a lot i mean and then you listen to peter struck ok i mean all the more reason to be very skeptical of what's going on behind closed doors in the in the deep state here i mean i don't understand it's gotten to the point where questioning anything

now you end up being ostracized and demonized say the you know the lip the left wasn't always that way go ahead and. you know i mean her for many years the left understood the cia was this pretty diabolical and touche and that was engaged in regime change of fraud and murdering world leaders the cia lied us into the war with iraq in two thousand and three. with the lie that weapons of mass destruction which of course you know led to over a million iraqis dead five thousand americans dead and trillions of dollars wasted and yet those lives are forgotten and the irony of course is that it tends to be the liberals now that are rallying around the cia and the f.b.i. the f.b.i. which is for years in gauged infiltrating progressive organizations and peace

organizations to disrupt them. to kill fred hampton a leader of the black panthers in cold blood and now somehow the f.b.i. supposed to the it's really incredible you know brian one of the things i think it's. very interesting very tragic here is that somehow russia meddled in america's democracy i don't even really know what that means but you hear it all of the time but what really is happening i think my personal opinion is that because there isn't any questioning of the intelligence community in their behavior and i'm thinking of the f.b.i. during the two thousand and sixteen election they are damaging america's democracy because you cannot ask these questions about what they did i mean the f.b.i. the d.o.j. was created by congress right they fund these agencies and what we see is the obstruction so i can't you know meddling ok i'm not i have no idea what that really

means but we're getting more and more information that that kind of regime change scenario. the u.s. is used around the world for decades has actually come home and they're practicing the same playbook go ahead brian. and in fact that's gone on for decades the the i guess i agree with the income why would anyone trust the f.b.i. or the cia and certainly progressive people or people who used to consider themselves liberal i don't even know what the word liberal means anymore it doesn't mean anything. what here's the situation is this the u.s. government says that russian meddled by hacking into the democratic national committee e-mail server and revealing e-mails that show that the democratic party leadership. violated its own rules and regulations to make sure that hillary clinton would win the nomination now if that's true and it's being described as

a parallel or or synonymous with what happened on nine eleven or pearl harbor why did the f b i why did the f.b.i. not subpoena and take control of that server to carry out a forensic investigation why did it allow crowd strike a third party that had its own self-interest in its own political bias against russia why did they take their word that in fact the democratic party server was hacked by the russians that on its face would make anyone skeptical but again if you're in a religious situation you don't need proof you only take things as an article of faith and so if the f.b.i. says we have a high degree of confidence without giving any evidence that russia did this without any evidence if you're in a religious mode you say i believe i believe because i believe because i'm part of the religion and that's the situation right now if those of us who question this narrative continue to question were considered to be nonbelievers and like

a witch hunt if you're not part of the witch hunt you perhaps become a witch yourself and it creates an atmosphere of political. imitation that's what we're experiencing right here in washington d.c. you know in earl i mean i don't know i don't know the number on the top of my head but the n.s.a. . isn't it their kind of job to be seeing what's moving around on the internet you know from sensitive places and all that you know i mean again we there are there are very intelligent people that are former members of the intelligence community that can make a very strong case is this is a leak not a hack and these people have done it using their you know what's a bit to between their ears their brain ok they're not the they're not the n.s.a. here i'm thinking of william binney and people like that ray mcgovern i don't think they're traitors to their country though they are very very critical of the places they used to work for go ahead irl. absolutely and if they should be able to

isolate down to the building. you know where the path of traffic was they're definitely monitoring almost everything not just foreign traffic but internals well the but you're absolutely correct on the forensic analysis so i mean where's the real forensic analysis were the independent forensic analysis the closest thing a tap and it's come out of. the veteran and you know veteran intelligence organization that's part of it absolutely that's the only thing that's even been close and that verifies that they had to be internally some very very skeptical on any of those you know earl and i long to let me just jump in here real quickly i remember i think i'm going to remember this i think it was in january and february of this year that it keeps was actually talking about it and then months later months later hannity on fox started talking about consider the kind of news

environment we have some really smart people that know what they're talking out about right about this put it out in public i think it was consortium news dot com and it it didn't even make an impression on the mainstream in the me somebody said hey if you read this because this is exactly what hannity would like but for me was astounding this information was around for months and it didn't even penetrate it was amazing it's a small circle of as dan i want to change gears are rush in the united states destined to be enemies for good go ahead dan well i certainly don't believe you know that they're destined to be so i think. i mean i believe there's a lot of interesting i think we should be partners. however i really you know as eric hobsbawm historian pointed out you know the hatred of russia is is in the d.n.a. of the american people and by genetics but as it was put there. by people who.

found a reason to vilify russia but it does appear that you know the powers that be in this country will continue to stoke the flames of the entire russian. in the interest of war which will make it very difficult for us to be partners and i think that tragic thing you know brian and i've heard repeatedly. the russian meddling again whatever that means is akin to pearl harbor well what if the united states there was a reaction to the attack on pearl harbor it can be completely mobilized its economy and fought a very hard very bloody war and justified in my opinion ok but what kind of rhetoric is this now you know then well then what should the u.s. do and i'm and then you know all of us on this program know the very importance of arms control agreements i know it's not really sexy for amisom b.c. and c.n.n.

debate in their vegas to have low octane pain intelligence ok but this is important stuff here and it has to be dealt with i really wish the donald trump had been had a little bit more finesse i know that's hard for him really hard for him but that's a really important issue ok and we need to move forward on that but if we're going to be enemies how can you go there if this is one of the great tragedies go ahead brian. after september eleventh which is this is being compared to and pearl harbor the u.s. went to war war against japan in world war two of course and then after september eleventh the war on terror. the u.s. i believe we're past the point of no return i heard of the rush the animists and how still. towards russia i don't think we're coming back donald trump as you said all of the media attention was on his very badly stated positions at the helsinki but actually what they talked about was syria and de confliction they talked about

the possibility of improving the start treaty the start treaty was signed in one thousand nine hundred one it said the united states which has seven thousand operational nuclear weapons all of which of just a few of which could destroy the entire world and russia which has a similar number that they should be reduced down to one thousand five hundred fifty and then more that's a requirement also and in a firm that obligation on from the nuclear nonproliferation treaty on all nuclear powers they talked about that that was not covered as you're saying peter that's a big issue the danger of nuclear war even an accidental nuclear war the catastrophic consequences are so profound why don't we talk about that talk about meddling in the in the future of the world nuclear weapons are meddling in our future having control over those nuclear weapons getting rid of them that's critically important that seems to be off the agenda right now what i think is really really tragic in this environment that we're right now is that you know negotiations are equated with the this is the tragedy of the conversation right

now ok and arms control is still very important but if you negotiate it means surrender summit go ahead girl and i i think you're right it's that personally i've this meeting is something that should have taken place a while ago and i and i think a dialogue is is death absolutely necessary. are going to agree on things absolutely not but but it's definitely definitely necessary for agreement and for some reason these major areas of collaboration. and coordination are not. are bypassed by the media and it's very very unfunny or unfortunate well we'll see where. here gentlemen but considering the way things are going it seems to me that the u.s. russia relationship has been spoiled and it could last for generations that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests in washington and managua and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.

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