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teeth coming up on our international going underground interviews award winning. votes in the u.k. an island sputnik looks at the subjects of mental health. you want your special edition of going on the ground award winning journalist and filmmaker john pilger will now be in our new series starting in september with this is one of his most recent interviews with us it is he went beyond the headlines or serious roles re yemen and north korea. ok she didn't though it is a may day today and. in strong terms for a whole scene from used to use water cannons more than two hundred.

corruption this seemingly they see doesn't make a profit. made a protest in support of workers rights turned violent in cities around the world. as the tear gas settles and rain washes blood from the streets of europe after this week's global mayday uprising i'm afshin rattansi and this is going underground special with me for the whole program is that journalist and filmmaker john pilger john let's start and just straight to austerity before we go to foreign policy you've been in australia i know another first world country the levels all sterile and since the twenty eight crash a stir to supply globally so the same policy of extreme

tax cuts the trump was posed to go in the united states that we've we've had in this country for for very long time it's called neo liberalism they apply so you have or this called an underclass people working for. temporary visas for low wages this is become the pattern and all rich countries it's the kind of. darwinian economics but those who society those who've got it through really will those in the middle who aspire to do well are usually in debt and those in the bottom up to scotland and yet of course while as you say these two thirds have been suffering since twenty eight or even before then there is money for wars what was your reaction when you first heard of the anglo american french missile attacks on syria it's built on

a series of i would call them laws fabrications. the calculus akhil in duma resume clearly said this is why britain has to go in and fight and i think it makes the regime they says is to be believed frankly and she's yet to convince us that she has a right to be believed because. almost everything to do with foreign policy has shown to be in the end if you take the the the souls pre attack that is on rapidly so fost for example the o.p.c. w. report on this which is not reported include in the bar a tree report from its major of a power tree in switzerland which said this this was no no of agent this wasn't no for sure it was something entirely different julia about the wheelchair attack i

told her you were sure so i've had this old grey attack but they are connected because it leads then we do leads then to the attack on syria. the there is overall a campaign against russia this is a very long campaign it's been going on since the russian revolution but it's intensified in terms of its propaganda and the way i'd never known i've never known journalism to be so distorted in order to sort of this propaganda be the attack on on on dubai was based on when i called it the law i when you look at the available weapons the real evidence the evidence that barely sees the light of day. then there's no justification for it whatsoever. there's no real evidence

of a chemical attack so what we're seeing is is the most intense. campaign of propaganda at least since the iraq the buildup to the iraq war in two thousand and three which comes from a great tradition it comes from nineteen forty five the cover story for dropping two atomic bombs later discredited right through to the beginning of the vietnam war the gulf of tonkin so we had years of misery and devastation in vietnam built on a lie when you be going to understand this when we're going to send understand there's no sturrock will patton and we see that played out now almost through the propaganda that's presented as news i think will get you that many mainstream media journalists have short term memories perhaps but they are handed as they have

always been and press releases from government they routinely say russia has obviously rules invaded an area of europe and now they're being told we have proof that they have launched a chemical attack on english soil first time since world war two and and the journalists say all governments cannot possibly be lying about such a serious event i've been a journalist for a long time i've covered many wars i've covered the first cold war i've covered it from the soviet union i've covered it from the united states i've worked all over the world i'm a reporter. i would say there is a pseudo journalism now the kind of journalism you describe i wouldn't describe as journalism to simply write down and swallow what governments tell you is the

very end to thesaurus of what real journalism is fortunately we still have it in the grate on. the mavericks like robert fisk who's single report from duma showed almost without doubt the whole hickman's so false he interviewed a doctor who'd worked at this particular facility there was no evidence the doctor made a mockery of macros and mase and claims. we have seymour hersh now who can't pump be published in his own country has to be published in germany probably the greatest investigative reporter in the world hersh last year may his own reporting his own investigation made mockery of these so-called. chemical attacks. i've never known the time when so cold

as you describe it mainstream surely. a satirical. mainstream journalism has been so integrated into a propaganda. and that that propaganda campaign at the moment pointed right against russia suggests to me that it's the beginning of a kind of not the macho on russia. but the surrounding of russia with bases with american bases with nato missiles the provocations day off today. suggests this in syria where basically the russians and the syria some succeeded by blocking the the the rebels. most of whom hottest an extreme islamicist supported by the united states supported by britain are

still present to as a credible opposition within syria but the whole point of all this is to take syria from the russians since the nine hundred fifty s. if you read the documents you go back and read the declassified m i six dispatches from syria they've been trying to do those things the nineteen fifties syria hasn't been controlled in the same way that iran hasn't been controlled this is i hope this is not the last stage i don't think it is because in syria it appears there's a major defeat and what way of seeing is a reaction to that but of course you mentioned some world renowned journalists have you been surprised about how they have been taken as apologists for putin and fascinated by presenting the opposite there it is oh of course not. a big cool

everything throughout my career that's a badge of honor. you're a good reporter only if at some point. authority established forces about who. about whose nefarious activities and invasions you're writing label you a dupe but used to be a favor or an apologist robert fisk knows this very well that's happened with every great story he's reported i say great story because he's reporting is paid of the highest order since i've known him as with seymour have as with with people like gareth porter great investigative reporter who you'll never see he's an american you'll never see in a so-called mainstream newspaper who writes all of it but read his material

a pile to ron it's based on fact he mentioned iran how serious is this narrative now going to twist away but maybe while still remaining on syria but going to focus on some kind of imminent war on iran especially as we know john bolton is no national security adviser or go to a well isn't that on the whole and this this and mike pompei of who's the secretary of state. it's hard to know who amongst them is the most extreme. but iran has been a major target much more so than syria much more so than iraq because iran was one of the pillows of western power american power in the middle east and when most a deck the democratically elected leader of iran was overthrown in

in the nineteenth fifties by britain and the united states and the shah was in store that was when the pillar was reinforced but the pillar collapsed in one nine hundred seventy nine with the revolution in iran and that has never been forgiven getting a raw on the major ambition of the above and that's why we're coming to a very dangerous period when trump mosse ratify the agreement that a bomb assigned. with iran along with. the e.u. under which iran committed to its self as a frankly always had committed itself to a peaceful nuclear program in return sanctions would drop and so on we have dangers you know the danger is that

a presented to us that is so unnecessary why why are we why we threatening countries like iran which hasn't invaded anyone for about four hundred years the don't threaten us why is anachronism like israel allowed to have it seemed punitive. why do we why do we believe these why do as you describe why do we journalists write down what governments tell us why don't they question them took they it's just a few years ago but not exactly old was as terrible mistakes happened in two thousand and two two thousand and three that led to the disaster of the invasion of iraq over iraq what why is this being repeated these are questions

that demand to be on so that not just by journalists but by the public in time across particular mean countries that rick still regard themselves as democratic job delegate this stuff be that well from john bill joffe to the break. what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. some want to be rich. that's why the press is allied with the full freedom or the people that i'm interested always in the water is a. question. it's a very rough terrain you so it's rough climates and you have to fight to be able to

them if. it was a gunshot on top of them and very fresh they would have been in the morning and i mean even. my i don't want to go back and. you know i don't want to see it but a body in this world is ready to participate in the good. old to me but when. you don't think about these you know the soldier or not you've got three team like and you know i do and the other patients. welcome back i'm still here with legendary journalist and filmmaker john pilger john did you ever expect to see what looked like did told in korea no i didn't expect it. although it should have expected that the koreans them so.

if we've been following and we don't follow but we follow the big power is that. imposed them so particularly the states on that country it's a very popular move by the president of south korea it's it's it's i would i would have thought as clearly a popular move in north korea the koreans korea was one of the most homogeneous societies in the world i mean you can you can find very few countries so it's almost like france relate to one big family the idea of them divided. it is absurd they recognize that but what this demonstrates is that a regional solution is is possible not only possible it's

probably the only way to all these two worlds so-called flashpoints and problems with a credit is being given to the trumps administration but he's a bit more to give him the nobel peace prize why not given to a few of those below the incoming orange and it details that massive military expansion in that area yet it's always you know everyone is celebrating because the share prices of old boeing raytheon locate and others have gone down how can these regional peace deals be done in the face of all of that military industrial complex pile if this deal is being done and i think both koreas have to be very careful of not walking into a trap as well the trap could be that north korea is to solemn to completely and north korea knows that by having nuclear weapons that's

prevented it from being another iraq cannot libya from big attacked i don't think there's any question about. so while it's desirable look north korea is dissolved of nuclear weapons and and all of korea is de nuclearized it also has to be the america is the two in fact the the former is rather more important than the latter. how that happens is going to be a very tricky part of the negotiations coming up because korea as far as the united states can is concerned is is really a front line on a number of countries but especially if front line on china it does russia and china borders rosher unshod or of course but it has its sad so cold and he

missiles system if you just said to be pointing at the north no one believes that it's pointing a china so these are very precarious days ahead but i think they quite hopeful days and i'm sure if you still have friends in the national security apparatus of the united states but do you think there are people in there taking a rather dim view very dim i will oppose this as you point out all the arms companies will oppose this although the japanese have said publicly they support it but and no doubt the chaps these people support it no question about it but whether the united states stays in korea literally leaves. is the crucial factor here that surely there really is the end of the korean war surely there are interests and we should remind people who don't because

it's seldom mentioned here that was britain was involved in killing of twenty percent of the population of korea how far would the united states go in trying to remain there if peace breaks i don't know but the it for them it may well get out of control this will become so popular if it isn't already in korea that. they my eye might find great difficulty with the local population and even the local political update. south korea you know those. sort of hybrid it's a it's a vassal state of the united states but there's also the bread people like the the the present president and people like kim jong and all those who who saw i did tone with the north as their prime political purpose

not as a servant of the united states perhaps that's a clash that we've yet to see. happen and perhaps it's coming but the process has started that's that's the important thing and regional processes like this have a high success rate though they have a high success rate in in. i remember in uganda when the east african states following the the the whole devastation of video made and you guys and that was a regional solution they were left they were left alone. in latin america when countries very rarely have been left alone by the united states. they've had regional groups that have banded together in. economic formations

and if you like protected each other maybe that's why they hated to go chavez so much because he promoted that he promoted that regional solution to two to a region so perhaps we're seeing the beginning of something like that of course if you go to the middle east they would be a regional solution. if they wasn't the united states supporting one state and its impunity and its priority in its occupation of politics but if there was goodwill in the united states to make that a regional solution then to be very difficult there there are a many different competing tribal forces but those tribal forces of mostly been. reignited

by the the the imperial powers as we saw were in libya into in two thousand and eleven so again i suppose i'm saying that although it's probably it's a remote at the moment in the middle east but to see glimmers of it in korea is hopeful well if trump has enemies of a korea because he may what the big grand gesture he now has the curious enemy of the d.n.c. that is suing him russia is the us democratic party i think this is serious because i had to recheck it he is suing donald trump russia and julian assange and mickey mouse it's it's it's just of so good. i'm a as the ruler inquiry progress is still as if the goal is

a road in that within the road to stop this was save the house intelligence committee ruled out found off the months of you looking into it he conspiracy between trump and the russians it was the probably the clinton cables the hillary clinton cables particularly the protests the ones the protests the ones that showed that hillary clinton the absolute embodiment of the democratic of stab a shipment. that her foundation that she knew rather she knew that the the the force of the saudi arabia qatar were backing isis they were backing these extreme to harvest movements and he had she she and her foundation benefit from huge donations into into the

clinton foundation and she did and went on the secretary of state to so-called negotiate the biggest alms deal that america's of unknown with those states so that's the that's important information that tells us how power works that's upset them in russia of course fighting isis and al-qaeda in syria but does that mean then that basically julia is as we can leaks organization can never be forgiven by that is bush will never be forgiven we were talking earlier about good journalists and the forgive them that's why they're good journalists that's part of being a good journalist but such a sound has suffered so much for being for wiki leaks big so good. he being in touch with it yes into you directly at the moment i haven't i've been

in touch because he's denied visitors. he can't make phone calls he's got no internet it's the pressure a pressure of zone him and every bit of his extraordinary of resilience is now being pulled upon its it's one of those miscarriages of justice that's to malda to. grotesque injustice that that it should manifest right in the hot of london is a disgrace the songe isn't even allowed to go to a hospital and come back because they won't let him back. he has the right to safe passage out of that embassy he has a justified fear. of the united states extraditing him and putting him in the

kind of hell hole that chelsea manning into a day they'll probably throw away the key with julian assange and he's done that too well and so if these leaks the lake then leak actually i mean we could leaks doesn't know where the leak came from but the leak almost certainly came from within the democratic national committee the same body that is now conducting this ridiculous action against against wiki leaks and the rest. you might as well the same thing would be directed against the new york times or the washington post were to publish the pentagon papers and back in those howls in days when they did real journalism if anyone needs the support of democrats. of journalists of those who believe in basic freedoms

freedom of speech freedom of knowledge freedom to know freedom of real journalism. it's him. thank you. so let's head for one of your favorite shows from this season will continue to show your favorite episodes in the way back for a new season but wednesday the fifth of september killed a number of us but social media is easier. to forgive somebody said. coming up in basic. in the. non-single you're looking to see who is who you were talking to.

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