and you have done hurling insults rather than discussing policy is it still possible to have a substantive conversation of those who disagree with you being mean to discuss that i'm now joined by katie hopkins a british journalist and media personality katie good to talk to thank you very much for your time thank you for seeing me now you are pretty controversial person in your own country many people consider you purposefully offensive and yet over the past few days that you've been here in russia in st petersburg you've only said nice things that have this interview honestly is not very used to hearing nice things about itself being purposefully spiteful i saying all those things as a contrarian. people have been surprised by my reporting from st petersburg because i love this place i love the openness of it and it's been a real surprise to me we are i think in the west in my personal view you know putin is painted as a monster this is very much the way of people almost fifty actually of coming to

russia because this is somehow a frightening place and all i've been trying to present to people and show people i think is that if i may have a what i see or my truth and my truth from this place i love it i feel very safe here much safer than in london for example and i also find people here to be really russian first so they identify as russian to me and that's a real different from the country that i well let me pick up on that point because you had want specifically about seemed to rile a lot of people you describe the city as a place untouched by the myth of multiculturalism and deranged diversity and i'm sure you've seen all those dozens of replies of people pointing out to you. most multicultural city in. and of course one hundred sixty nationalities are built by. the friends. in the buildings of the dutch name of what i mean we also

have a very vibrant muslim community who petitioned this our first mosque i was the you know i heard it all i see that i get what people are saying i get them but when you come to some petersburg as an outsider and i'm an outsider it steals russian people if you speak to people in the street or with help but i speak to people in the street they identify as russian first you go to the u.k. you won't find any of that russian mean an athlete. affiliation or it may mean a national affiliation so most of the different nationalities who will love to have in this city would also identify as russian i wonder if you given the few who have it so much maybe multiculturalism is not such a bad thing after all no because i don't buy your definition of multiculturalism at all and just because you have one most with five thousand people able to fit into it that does not in any way replicate the europe that are you know i've just come from belgium in fact the jihadi capital of europe where they have twenty two

mosques in a six kilometer square do you have most of kilometers here kilometer yeah six coloma to square the area twenty two mobs so it's very different for me where i live in terms of multiculturalism which is much more about monoculture who live in ghettos and showed it's a very different definition to the one that you might understand i actually want to discuss that but before we do that many of the three that you have posted have these hash tag putin brock's to be yes which i find very ironic because here in russia you wouldn't be allowed by law to say or publish many things that you say about the muslims in particular because in this society we do prioritize social cohesion over the freedom of speech and that has been like that over many years i would even argue centuries and i think it only intensified under clinton do you still think your rocks. and rocks in many ways. mostly found contrary to most of

your ideas i mean he he would be absolutely appalled by many of the things you're saying about spineless well i think you started out by saying you know do we live in a society where we can disagree but still sit in the same room i don't mind if putin thinks many of my ideas of morally applauded that's absolutely his right to have his views i hold my views very clearly and very early for me i come from a country where there is an islamic takeover going on i come from a country where my daughter is our daughters are targeted by islamic jihad this and that's not i'm not free to say any of the things i was very wrong i mean i understand your why back into iraq to me because for too long the west has painted him as a monster and i don't think it's acceptable any longer should he be back in the g. eight absolutely does he need to have sanctions against him no i don't i don't have a problem with putin in the way that other people seem to or maybe you have well i don't know if you follow statements but just last week he spoke again about the

need to relax immigration rules and russia he specifically pointed out that you know people of all religious and ethnic backgrounds should be welcomed especially if they have some connection to russia or the so-called russian world hughes's to be far more bullish on the me gratian particularly in muslim immigration than. may's government does i don't know i don't know you could be i don't know if you could down on you know if you could sort of cow in submission to religion more than we have we have defacto sharia law in the u.k. right now we prevented a journalist from coming into our country on the basis of future hate speech as yeah unsaid that is a bizarre situation to live in so i think we have it much worse in this country also has a very peculiar understanding of the freedom of speech but you know bring it back to the muslim immigration or any immigration for that matter. i think the difference is how our society. handling it and in the country it would not be

considered advisable to put people in high density neighborhoods they would be agreed not only required to integrate but the state would actually facilitate that i don't know on that you and i completely agree you know i've seen multiple examples in the no go zones that i've visited across europe where migrants are all packed away into the suburbs it never works it creates a situation where there's them and us if you go to sweden if you go to belgium if you go to parts of london there's parts of london sweden belgium you can't walk anymore if you're a western woman and you have your hair uncovered you'll be spotted at and called white trash that's never going to work and if you have a system here where you are able to integrate of course that's going to work much better but we don't have multiculturalism it's what i was explaining to you we have a system of monocultures living in ghettos that's very different now much of precious immigration comes from the so called stance kazakstan to. stand and you're

a famous or infamous or referring to london as londonistan which you have to agree carries some pejorative connotation pejorative oh yes well it sounds. the reason i called london last little on the star is because to me it's completely fallen to the control of the most lemaire can he is spectacularly useless at his job under city can there are some statistics that i'm sure neither you nor i could argue about in the sense that our murder rate is now higher than new york in the sense that all stop rate is just going up by twenty five percent in the number of acid attacks that are happening sixty moped attacks a day with hammers and machetes that's life in london and started under the muslim and what i see from that is the lack of control a lack of law and order and a political islam religion and politics are integrated and people vote accord. into their faith and that is not democracy for what you describe is him to

have to be free of the whole regime and your situation policies and yet the way you express it is pejorative in the much broader sense because stance sounds mean countries not on cd why does london is a country of its own do you realize that it is pejorative yes i'm making that statement you are mocking other countries rather than the u.k. authorities who are are not receiving valuable origins are mocking the muslim man of love and the country that he's built where eighty nine ninety five percent of some areas of i think about tower hamlets knew him eighty ninety percent muslim population that does not reflect multiculturalism that is not a multicultural country or city and when he speaks he speaks only for london and yet he appears to speak for the u.k. of someone like myself who comes from a place called the rest of the u.k. it's intensely frustrating but. i think you do understand that when you referred

to londonistan people may draw conclusions about yourself without hearing your argument first because i think the point that you've been making about important monoculture is yet exist in isolation this is a very valued value under discuss point in my view it's a real sociological issue that has to be studied and yet that's in that issue seems to be brushed under the table because people take a fancy to you don't you think that this style of your presentation undermines the very valid argument you're making not for mine money because you know there is a part from the kind of social study of monocultures that i think is so imperative and that's why i've done the work i've done in sweden insistently in all of the no go zones that i visit i do actually want to see come to be out i want him out of office i want to. getting even referring to london as i think we

spend far too much time to toeing around issues these days i think it's one of the reasons i think your line of questioning is good because you come straight to the point and it's very much the star that i use with my commentary specially if you use the format like twitter you haven't got forty five minutes to check around the subject you've got a few words to make the result you expect i would never compare anyone to cockroaches i think you can find a more. expressive metaphor i mean i know there is this whole controversy about the i think it was very fair i think i think you're undermining the column which still stands today twenty fourteen if you bring it up i'm going to talk about it twenty fourteen i wrote a column that compared migrants across the med to cope with it to give it reference cockroaches i said they're like cockroaches because they haven't in june they seemed to be able to survive no matter what we were taught in schools the only creature that nuclear holocaust is cockroaches that still applies today that's

still a question are you hearing about the right you know it's a more it's rather than the issue you were trying to raise as we stopped the boats know this nine hundred thirty two my reaction is well i'm going whether that using cockroach was a nice way or only while you are right which is where me resilience more well you could have compared them to my questions and smiles that would be a bizarre way of writing copy and very poor english but let me ask you a question the aquarius with i think it's six hundred two hundred thirty two i apologize for not knowing let's say six hundred thirty two migrants on board it has nowhere to dock it's really just said no we won't have you tell me what would you do about that if you're broken you own it it was in part western and primarily u.k. policy that created the mass and we bit and if you created that mess in those neighborhoods you should expect certain reparations for yourself. which poor.

well we won't while you guys have to chip in this well that's a that's no solution so why is it why is it not solution just i guess a kind of foreign country or to send a special forces there to you as ronald to live there and then refuse to accept them we shouldn't be running ferryboats across the med that said no you know you are a common occurrence lady and what you're trying to tell me is that causes don't have consequences you are simply trying to wish them away and i don't think that's a commonsense solutions i think your overlooking this idea that people say they're running from something they're fleeing something in my opinion and it seems surprising to me i would think it's a moment since surprising to you why is it these young men of fighting age are running away but if it's that terrifying why do they have you know women have and children i've been on the coast of southern italy trying to get those yes i can tell you did they i did they leave their women and children behind if it's so terrified of that look a lot so my question well because first of all many of them are not married but most of the people who migrate into europe just the young men come here as it's so

scary libya they leave the women behind really yes or they managed to bring their mobile phone really yes they were really yes because we completely disagree well we certainly disagree on that but don't you think that i mean i understand your point on immigration but don't you think that by arguing this line of argument you're also absolving your own government of its responsibilities because it did contribute to the mass and you recognize that and the argument on syria for example you know this is when you go government policies and says aleutian is not to bring people on ferryboats runs it by run by charity and so on so many this illusion country solution just as in syria and other migrant camps we've suggested facilitating in countries solution because of course you don't want to look down the money for the happy even you can rarely hear it about allocating money that did give additional monies are not in so it's not enough to you of rebuilding the insurance or certainly not to bring. those people to our countries and i think that

the aquarius and n.g.o.s that are running the ferry service i think it's utterly irresponsible and all that it does is encourages more people to come and potentially lose their lives on the med and that seems to me the opposite of what you would want to happen well let's take a very short break now but we'll be back in just a few seconds. we have no idea what so if used to being on vacation but she will be back on it in

september. you. know it's a very rough terrain you sorts of climates and you have to fight to be able to respond. it was. on top of them and ready for it he would have been in the i've been. telling. you no i don't when you see the body in the trouble is that the two punches read in the good. old do me a good routine. you don't think about this if the soldiers on the. streets like you know the you know their patients.

welcome back to worlds apart with katie hopkins british journalist and media personality katie just before the break we were talking about multiculturalism and i want to repeat the point that you made earlier that you believe that the u.k. hasn't been able to achieve with what you have as in ghettos of individual cultures times rather than you know true diversity be into the mixing of various cultures and yet you also wrote in your book and you made that point over and over again many of your interviews that you wouldn't let your kid play with anyone who isn't called. nodule don't let alone muhammad isn't that be very attitude that this cultural gathering. this was less of a cultural thing in the sense of different ethnic backgrounds this is my experience from going to a state school in the u.k. and you could tell i had this kind of idea as

a mom during the school you could tell. what a kid would be like by its name and i still stand by that so names that i hear tyler it will be destiny all of these kind of names you know no mention of any mohammad well mohammed if you think about it in the u.k. and it's shocking to me the number one name in the u.k. is muhammad it's the number two name in the u.k. so much and i find that from a demographic perspective it's very frightening that actually by twenty fifty they'll be more muslims in the u.k. than there will be a british person i find that actually quite distressing you know i have a kid who is born to a muslim father he's four years old called moment he his name is different it don't know how many it is a muslim name but is it a homage it is not mohammed but it is a muslim name i wonder well i mean i would have called him mohammad there but that everyone is called mohammed so how do you know who's your mom. i think in russia i would have left her problem finding mohammed and if you a question if you have

a list of how but first let me ask you a question would you ban your kids from playing with my kid because he has. no as long as he had i mean it wasn't really done on names alone i could tell what a kid would be like with their names but it was about the fact that they were maybe would turn up to school without a home what they turn up without the right uniform they don't have the mammas that i prefer for my children and i am. muslim families are not as. it was never about muslim families it was about the types of families that i met in the school playground and the types of moms i was a particularly keen on whatever we say we all know the mums that we like and the mums that we don't like i was just really honest about it but regardless of whether you were referring to a british kid or a muslim kid isn't that a fundamentally christian thing to say because you know you talk i don't know any area she finished things in my life i am not to good. for the christian religion and i see that a lot about christian values and painting the you know i'm just criticizing my size

because like if you see any of the stuff that i've done i i mean. many christians would want to distance themselves from me entirely but what i noticed about people with strong beliefs particularly here in st petersburg you know it's a joy to be surrounded by so many christian churches by the also docs people that believe so strongly ninety percent of people here and you know that i that's key thing i've finished the second thing i really think about the christian faith and what people in south africa are being persecuted is there's a real belief in god in the land and people need something to believe in and i really respect that even though i'm a bad pastor for christianity let me correct you a little bit because i'm going to try crates that this is one of the most atheists you know about that so you want well the very christian feeling city well let me ask me why do we want the i.r.s. or the beholder but if you actually pull people let me know is that your question so you have a muslim husband right you know let me ask you a question. for him

a profit islam is so fantastic why did muslims always flee to christian countries i wonder why because christian countries or western countries to be more precise tend to send troops to their countries destroy their balls and that might cause them them out of their neighborhoods that's why because why come to christian countries why not go to saudi or another muslim country well because saudi does saudi arabia actively prevents. that muslim neighbors from going there and are they in the government over the years why he decided to prevent migrants going there look i'm not an ambassador for the for the saudi government but i was very very why you don't get is you know it is a repressive government isn't it because christians are free and tolerant and open and is not the very thing that muslims try and change when they arrive in a country that's my question in my challenge in the u.k. when you when you say that i don't have an answer i don't see all around or when one when you actually open tolerant welcoming and they bring people to practice religion and then they try and take over and here you actually we and publicly

advocate for the rejection for the shining on. children for the ostracizing and of children based on then me yes and the e.u. called a tolerant and open door i'm not saying i've said a million times i'm not a. christian but i'm asking you why did muslims always seem to come to christian countries and then want to take over while i thought there i actually decided to ask her because so many western countries wage wars on my wife goes out of it why not go out why not go to another country where when you know how to present it is home when you have a kid on your hands and you try to find any refuge literally you would go across the back mediterranean even if you don't know how to swim you would do anything possible for you. and your although we don't see any women and children on the boat we deceived you even though i would agree that the primarily six hundred twenty something on the equator is eleven children we don't see many women and children i promise you. i have reported extensively from the ground both and we've been

serious and believe me i also i think you are for me some credibility and there are i'm not wearing your head over the children in desperate conditions but it is more difficult for them to move around that's for sure now. i want you long enough to conclude that there are some issues that are very close to your heart that i think you believe in passionately and yet there are those things that you seem to be if they're out there out there for controversy just simply propel your argument can you yourself tell one from the other i think it's trite to imagine that i say things just to be controversial and you would not withstand the level of attacks of police harassment of detention of having my passport taken of social services being called on my children of my family being under threat of having to jihad these plot to behead me in nov twenty seventh i don't believe you would withstand those levels of people trial trying to silence you if you didn't believe what you said it may

convince you we're not i'm not seeking to i'm merely trying to give people an understanding of what it's like to try and speak freely and openly with my views which are known for being very strong so you would have to really question yourself why would i do this if i didn't really believe what i say and i believe my country can be better i believe in donald trump but i believe japan russia and america are going to be the three leaders that fight back against the globalist so that's my kind of part of my infusion of the putin here as well you mentioned the silencing of dissenting views yeah i totally hear your i personally have been looked into by a couple of times but i would at least agree with you that there is a political censorship pro-labor all political censorship going on in a number of western countries but when i hear certain views again and postulating that children could be mistreated because of that names that's that's that's not

that is not a fair summary of what i've said i don't know that it's not a fair summary of what i've said i said i would invite certain children to my house if you know it's not me. i don't know how you are feeling rejected filling rejection is a pretty painful for a child i can tell you from my own experience i'm pretty sure had that experience yourself in your life so when you say that certain children are not to be engaged families are to be looked down to and you know healing that point. there's plenty of other arguments we could have apart from a child children's names anyway when you raise an issue like that some people may indeed support the argument for a certain degree of censorship don't you think that by laying out something as controversial as we just discussed you're actually providing motive i just i think it is really i mean it's really a new political arena really fast and i think the reason i have so much support the

reason i have a close to a million followers on twitter the reason the articles i put on most read and most viewed is because people identify with the things i'm saying because what we no longer have in the society of people that will tell the truth to power and i'm not a tool frightened of that i'm not at all frightened of saying we need my country back we should not be bound down to people who treat us if there is no different those things really are a difference about between criticizing your government on irresponsible migration policy or size arrant talking about children oh i don't you know there is just not in discussing this not as a mayor as don't deserve to be parents that they aren't good enough parents also but hell if you treat you just taking offense on behalf of other people many people agree with me and disagree with you that's also ok we can be relaxed about it and but i don't understand why do you have to because you know we have only ever seriously very passionate why do you have to mix your various i don't mean in that

i'm a mother i am a wife i'm a pretty poor christian i'm a traveler i'm an anti immigrant kind of personality i believe in politics and many things i'm not just the kind of person that sits in front a camera a big part of who i. am is a mom and the moms who don't really deserve to be moms because they don't bring their children up properly since our time is running out i do want to ask you one more question about censorship i know that you are very concerned about it tell me robinson case a very swift sentencing and jailing of a person for their reporting on a politically sensitive case in defiance of a court order and a majority pakistani muslim. from what i know of the british system has a long tradition of legal precedents do you fear that you yourself with the views that you hold may find yourself in a similar legal situation i imagine are top of the list now for being imprisoned

for my views and what concerns me about tom ronson not people say well he was contempt of court he shouldn't be reporting now i understand all that i think the two key questions are or where was the swift justice for the majority pakistani muslim paedophile gangs when tommy robinson was sentence in five hours to thirteen months and secondly i see it very much you have the scriptural case here or there was an alleged to have poisoned individuals on u.k. soil i don't see any difference between this cripple case with putin and what our government has done to tommy rope and they put him in prison he will not survive in prison one guard let the muslim gangs into his cell he's done so i think the british government is no better than putin in any regard because it silences political people that it doesn't like to hear just in the same way that it's alleged that putin did so we are no better than russia if you are concerned that you may be next is that going to change the way you know not at all your authority

if i am imprisoned for my views then it seems to me it's not the truth teller that will be in the wrong it will be the also rootie and i would hope that there. be a new legion of all the outspoken individuals like myself that will come and fill my shoes and i will write a new book i guess the group behind bars well it's been a pleasure talking to you thank you very much for your time thank you and courage are here is to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and for me hope to see you again same place same time here in the worlds apart.

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