name of what i mean we also have a very vibrant muslim community who petitioned this hour for a small cause that is that you know i heard it all i see that i get what people are saying i get them but when you come to some petersburg as an outsider and i'm an outsider it steals russian people if you speak to people in the street or with help but i speak to people in the street they identify as russian first you go to the u.k. you won't find any of that russian mean and ethnic affiliation or it may mean a national affiliation so most of the different nationalities whom we all love to have in this city it would also identify as russian i wonder if you given that you get so much maybe multiculturalism is not such a bad thing after all no because i don't buy your definition of multiculturalism at all and just because you have one most with five thousand people able to fit into it that does not in any way replicate the europe that are you know i've just come from belgium in fact the jihadi capital of europe where they have twenty two

mosques in a six kilometer square you have mosul kilometers here kilometer yeah six kilometer square area twenty two mobs so it's very different from me where i live in terms of multiculturalism which is much more about monaco choose to live in ghettos and showed it's a very different definition to the one that you might understand i actually want to discuss that but before we do that many of the three of you have posted have these hash tag putin brock's to be yes which i find very ironic because here in russia you wouldn't be allowed by law to say or publish many things that you say about the muslims in particular because in this society we do prioritize social cohesion over the freedom of speech and that has been like that over many years i would even argue centuries and i think it only intensified under which and do you still think your rocks. and rocks in many ways mostly found. most of your ideas i mean he

he would be absolutely appalled by many of the things you're saying about spinors well i think you started out by saying you know do we live in a society where we can disagree but still sit in the same room i don't mind if putin thinks many of my ideas are morally a poor that's absolutely his right to have his views i hold my views very clearly and very dearly for me i come from a country where there is an islamic takeover going on i come from a country where my daughter is our daughters are targeted by islamic jihad this and that's not i'm not free to say any of the things i was very wrong i mean i understand why baguley wrote to me because for too long the west has painted him as a monster and i don't think it's acceptable any longer should he be back in the g eight absolutely does he need to have sanctions against him no i don't i don't have a problem with putin in the way that other people seem to or maybe you have well i don't know if you follow statements but just last week he spoke again about the

need to relax immigration rules and russia he specifically pointed out that you know people of all religious and ethnic backgrounds should be welcomed especially if they have some connection to russia or the so-called russian world he seems to be far more bullish on the me gratian particularly in muslim immigration than teresa mayes government does i don't know i don't know you could be i don't know if you could bend down on that you know if you could sort of cow in submission to religion more than we have we have to facto sharia law in the u.k. right now we prevented a journalist from coming into our country on the basis of future hate speech as yeah unsaid that is a bizarre situation to live in so i think we have it in this country also has a very peculiar understanding of the freedom of speech but you know bring it back to the muslim immigration or any immigration for that matter. i think the difference is how our society is handling it. in this country it would not be

considered advisable to put people in high density neighborhoods they would be agreed not only required to integrate but the state would actually facilitate that i don't know on that you and i completely agree you know i've seen multiple examples in the no go zones that i've visited across europe where migrants are all packed away into the suburbs it never works it creates a situation where there's them and us if you go to sweden if you go to belgium if you go to parts of london there's parts of london sweden belgium you can't walk anymore if you're a western woman and you have your hair uncovered you'll be spotted at and called white trash that's never going to work and if you have a system here where you are able to integrate of course that's going to work much better but we don't have multiculturalism it's what i was explaining to you we have a system of monocultures living in ghettos that's very different now much of russia's immigration comes from the so-called stance kazakstan to. stand and you're

a famous or infamous for referring to london as london which you have to agree carries some juror to kind of pejorative. sounds. the reason i called london last little on the star is because to me it's completely fallen to the control of the most lemaire can he is spectacularly useless at his job under city can there are some statistics that i'm sure neither you nor i could argue about in the sense that our murder rate is now higher than new york in the sense that all stop rate is just going up by twenty five percent in the number of acid attacks that are happening sixty moped attacks a day with hammers and machetes that's life in london and started under the muslim and what i see from that is the lack of control a lack of law and order and a political islam religion and politics are integrated and people vote according to their faith and. that is not democracy for what you describe is him to

have to be feared the son told the regime and their situation policies and yet the way you express it is pejorative and then larger broader sense because stance stance mean countries not on c.d.'s why does london is a country that a christian do you realize that it is pejorative yes i making that statement you are mocking other countries rather than the u.k. authorities who are are not really origins are mocking the muslim man of love and the country that he's built where eighty nine ninety five percent of some areas of i think about tower hamlets knew him eighty ninety percent muslim population that does not reflect multiculturalism that is not a multicultural country or city and when he speaks he speaks only for london and yet he appears to speak for the u.k. of someone like myself who comes from a place called the rest of the u.k. it's intensely frustrating but. i think you do understand that when you referred

to londonistan people may draw conclusions about yourself without hearing your argument first because i think that this point if you've been making about important monoculture is no existent isolation this is a very valued valid under discuss point in my view it's a real sociological issue that has to be studied and yet that's that issue seems to be brushed under the table because people take a fancy to you don't you think that the style of your presentation undermines the very valid argument you're making not for mine money because you know there is a part from the kind of social study of monocultures that i think you so parroted from that's why i've done the work i've done in sweden insistently in all of the no go zones that i visit i do actually what city come to be out i want him out of office i want to champion get and i am in. even as referring to london as i think

we spend far too much time to toeing around issues these days i think it's one of the reasons i think your line of questioning is good because you come straight to the point and it's very much the star that i use with my commentary specially if you use a format like twitter you haven't got forty five minutes to check around the subject you've got a few words to make the result you respect i would never compare anyone to cockroaches i think you can find a more. expressive metaphor i mean i know there is this whole controversy about the i think it was very fair i think i think you're undermining the column which still stands today twenty fourteen if you bring it up i'm going to talk about it twenty fourteen i wrote a column that compared migrants across the med to cope with it to give it reference cockroaches i said they're like cockroaches because they haven't in june they seemed to be able to survive no matter what we were taught in schools the only creature that nuclear holocaust is cockroaches that still applies today still the

question is are you hearing about the right you know is that what it's rather than the issue you were trying to raise as we stopped the boats know this nine hundred thirty two my reaction for what i'm doing well that he was in cockroach was a nice way only while you are right which is where me resilience more well you could have compared them to my questions and smiles that would be a bizarre way of writing copy of very poor english but let me ask you a question the aquarius with i think it's six hundred thirty two hundred thirty two i apologize for not knowing let's say six hundred thirty two migrants on board it has nowhere to dock it's really just said no we won't have you tell me what would you do about that if you broke it you own it it was in part western and primarily u.k. policy that created the massively bit and if you created that mess in those neighborhoods you should expect certain representations for yourself to someone you know. which court was. well you guys have to chip in as well. but

that's no solution so why is it why is it not solution just going to take on a foreign country or to send a special forces there to you will go live there and then refuse to accept them we shouldn't be running ferryboats across the med that's a no you are a common occurrence lady and what you're trying to tell me is that causes don't have consequences here simply trying to wish them away and i don't think that's a common sense solution serialize i think your overlooking this idea that people say they're running from something they're fleeing something in my opinion and it seems surprising to me i would think as a moment sigs uprising to you why is it these young men of fighting age are running away but if it's that terrifying why do they have you know women have and children i've been on the coast of southern italy trying to get those and i can tell you did they i did they leave their women and children behind if it's so terrified of that look a lot so my question well because first of all many of them are not married but most of the people who migrate into europe just the young men come here as it's so scary

in libya they leave the women behind really yes they managed to bring their mobile phone really yes we're really yes because we completely disagree well we certainly disagree on that but don't you think that i mean i understand your point on immigration but don't you think that by arguing this line of argument you're also absolving your own government of its responsibilities because it did contribute to the mass and you recognize that and the argument on syria for example you know this is when you go government policies and says aleutian is not to bring people on ferryboats run to buy run but you aren't seeing some of the men is the solution to this in the country solution just as in syria and other migrant camps we've suggested facilitating in countries solution because of course you don't want to do and then money for the happy even you can rarely hear it about allocating money where that video of additional monies oh no that is why it's not enough to rebuild it in jail it's not to bring those people to work. trees and i think the aquarius

and n.g.o.s that are running the ferry service i think it's utterly irresponsible and all that it does is encourages more people to come and potentially lose their lives on the meds and that seems to be the opposite of what you would want to happen well let's take a very short break now but we'll be back in just a few seconds stay tuned. when a loved one is murder it's natural to seek the death penalty for the murder i would prefer and it's meaningless in the death penalty just because i think that's the fair thing the right thing research shows that for every nine executions one convict just bond dennison the idea that we more executing innocent people is

terrifying the is just no way to present and that we're even many of the families want the death penalty to be abolished the reason we have to keep the death penalty here is because that's what murder victims' families what that's going to give them peace that's going to give them justice and we come in and say. not quite enough we've been through this this isn't the way.

it's a very rough terrain you sort of prefer to move and have to fight to do both of them if. it was gunshots on top of them and so very fresh they would have it and there may have been even not. having a backup but. you know i don't want to see it but it was in this world and it's ready to participate in the good. old to new book wouldn't. you don't think about these the. the soul or no you go through it's like you know the you know the patients.

welcome back to worlds apart katie hopkins british journalist and media personality katie just before the break we were talking about multiculturalism and i want to repeat the point that you made earlier that you believe that the u.k. hasn't been able to achieve with what you have as. ghettos of individual cultures times rather than you know true diversity of the into the mixing of various cultures and yet you also wrote in your book and you made that point over and over again many of your interviews that you wouldn't let your kid play with anyone who isn't called. nigel don't let alone one hundred fifty isn't that the very attitude that this cultural gathering and this was less of a cultural thing in the sense of different ethnic backgrounds this is my experience from going to a state school in the u.k. and you could tell i had this kind of idea as

a mom during the school you could tell what a kid would be like by its name and i still stand by that so names that i hear tyler it'll be destiny that all of these kind of names you know no mention of any muhammad well mohammed if you think about it in the u.k. and it's shocking to me the number one name in the u.k. is muhammad the number two name in the u.k. so much and i find that from a demographic perspective it's very frightening that actually by twenty fifty they'll be more muslims in the u.k. than there will be british person i find that actually quite distressing you know i have a kid who is born into a muslim father he's four years old. that. his name is different it don't know how many it is a muslim name but is it a homage it is not mohammed but it is a muslim name i wonder well i mean i would have called him mohammad there but that everyone is called mohammed so how do you know who's your mom. i think in russia i would have left her problem finding mohammad you a question if you have

a list of how but first let me ask your question would you ban your kids from playing with my cat because he has a. long as he had i mean it wasn't really done on names alone i could tell what a cue could be like with their names but it was about the fact that they were maybe would turn up to school without a home what they turn up without the right uniform they don't have the mamas that i prefer for my children and i am. muslim families are not as. it was never about muslim families that was about the types of families that i met in the school playground in the types of moms i was a particularly keen on whatever we say we all know the mums that we like and the mums that we don't like i was just really honest about it but regardless of whether you were referring to a british kid or a muslim care isn't that a fundamentally anti christian thing to say because you know you talk i don't know how many things in my life i am not a good ambassador for the christian religion and i think that a lot about christian values and painting the you know i'm just criticizing my size

because like if you see any of the stuff that i've done i mean i think many christians would want to distance themselves from me entirely but what i noticed about people with strong beliefs particularly here in st petersburg you know it's a joy to be surrounded by so many christian churches by the also docs people that believe so strongly ninety percent of people here and you know that i guess he. finished the second thing i really think about the christian faith and what people in south africa are being persecuted is there's a real belief in god in the land and people need something to believe in and i really respect that even though i'm a bad ass to christianity let me correct you. well because going to try creates that this is one of the most atheists you know about that so you want well the very christian feeling city well let me ask me why don't we were in the eyes of the beholder but if you actually pull people let me know is that your question so you have a muslim husband right now let me ask you a question via use or forehead inappropriate islam is so fantastic why did muslims

always flee to christian countries i want to know your why because christian countries or western countries to be more precise tend to send troops to their countries destroy their balls. them out of their neighborhoods that's why because why come to christian countries why not go to saudi or another muslim country well because saudi does saudi arabia actually prevents. that muslim neighbors from going there and are they being who doesn't over the years why he decided to prevent migrants going there look i'm not an ambassador for the for the saudi government but i was very very wise and it is you there it is a repressive governments that because christians are free and tolerant and open it is not the very thing that muslims try and change when they arrive in a country that's my question and my challenge in the u.k. when you when you say that i don't have an answer i don't see all around or when when you actually open tolerant welcoming enabling people to practice religion and then they try and take over and here you actively and publicly advocate for the

rejection for the shining of children for the ostracizing and of children based on their knee yes and you called a tolerant and open door i'm not saying i've said a million times i'm not a great ambassador for being christian but i'm asking you why do muslims always seem to come to christian countries and then want to take over what i thought they're actually trying to answer because so many western countries wage wars on muslim go that why not go to saudi why not go to another country where it's when your house is present in the home when you have a kid on your hands and you try to find any refuge literally you would go across the back mediterranean even if you. don't know how to swim you would do anything possible for you. and your although we don't see any women and children on the boat we do seem to even though i would agree that the primarily it is six hundred twenty something on the aquarius eleven children we don't see many women and children i promise you. i have reported extensively from the ground both and we've been

serious and believe me i also i think you could afford me some credibility and there are i'm not where they'll show the children in desperate conditions but it is more difficult for them to move around that's for sure now. i've told you long enough to conclude that there are some issues that are very close to your heart that i think you believe in passionately and yet there are those things that you seem to be if they're out there out there for controversy just simply propel your argument can you yourself tell one from the other i think it's trite to imagine that i say things just to be controversial and you would not withstand the level of attacks of police harassment of detention of having my passport taken of social services being called on my children of my family being under threat of having to jihad these plot to behead me in nov twenty seventh i don't believe you would withstand those levels of people trial trying to silence you if you didn't believe

what you said it may convince you or not i'm not seeking to i'm only trying to give people an understanding of what it's like to try and speak freely and openly with my views which are known for being very strong so you would have to really question yourself why would i do this if i didn't really believe what i say and i believe my country can be better i believe in donald trump but i believe japan russia and america are going to be the three leaders that fight back against the globalist so that's my kind of part of my fuse yes of putin here as well you mention the silencing of dissenting view yeah i totally hear your i personally have been looked into by a couple of times but i would at least agree with you that there is a political censorship or a liberal political censorship going on in a number of western countries but when i hear certain views again and postulating that children could be mistreated because of that names that's that's that's not

that is not a fair summary of what i've said i don't let people know that it's not a fair summary of what i said i said i would invite certain children to my house if you know it's not me. i don't know when you are feeling rejected feeling rejected is a pretty painful for a child i can tell you from my own experience i'm pretty sure you had that experience yourself in your life so when you say that certain children are not to be engaged families are to be looked down to and you know healing that point to be fair. there's plenty of other arguments we could have apart from the child children's names. when you raise an issue like that some people may indeed support the argument for a certain degree of censorship don't you think that by laying out something as controversial as we just discussed you're actually providing motive i just i think it is really i mean it's really a new political arena really fast and i think the reason i have so much support the

reason i have a close to a million followers on twitter the reason the articles i put on most read and most viewed is because people identify with the things i'm saying because what we no longer have in the society of people that will tell the truth to power and i'm not a tool front of that i'm not at all frightened of saying we need my country back we should not be bound down to people who there is no different those things very much difference about between criticizing your government on irresponsible migration policy or size arrant talking about children oh i don't you know there isn't is just not in discussing this not as americans don't deserve to be parents that they aren't good enough parents also but hell if you treat you just taking offense on behalf of other people many people agree with me and disagree with you that's also ok we can be relaxed about it and but i don't understand why do you have to because you know we have only ever seriously very passionate why do you have to mix your various i'm going home a wife i'm a pretty poor christian i'm

a traveler i'm an anti immigrant kind of personality i believe in politics and many things i'm not just the kind of person that sits in front a camera a big part of who i. am is a mom and the moms who don't really deserve to be moms because they don't bring their children up properly since our time is running out i do want to ask you one more question about censorship i know that you are very concerned about the tommy robinson case a very swift sentencing and jailing of a person for their reporting on a politically sensitive case in defiance of a court order and a majority pakistani muslim. from what i know of the british system has a long tradition of legal precedents do you fear that you yourself with the views that you hold may find yourself in a similar legal situation i imagine are top of the list now for being imprisoned

for my views and what concerns me about tom ronson not people say well he was contempt of court he shouldn't be reporting now i understand all that i think the two key questions are where was the swift justice for the majority pakistani muslim paedophile gangs when tommy robertson was sentence in five hours to thirteen months and secondly i see it very much you have the scriptural case here or there was an preacher was alleged to have poisoned individuals on u.k. soil i don't see any difference between this cripple case with putin and what our government has done to tommy robert so they put him in prison he will not survive in prison one guard let the most of him going into his cell he's done so i think the british government is no better than putin in any regard because it silences political people that it doesn't like to hear just in the same way that it's alleged that putin did so we are no better than russia if you are concerned that you may be next is that going to change the way you know not at all your authority

if i am imprisoned for my views then it seems to me it's not the truth teller that will be in the wrong it will be the all soroti and i would hope that there. be a new legion of all the outspoken individuals like myself that will come and fill my shoes and i will write a new book i guess the truth behind bars well it's been a question talking to you thank you very much for your time and i think you encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and for me hope to see you again same place same time here and also part.

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