i get them but when you come to some petersburg as an outsider and i'm an outsider it's russian people if you speak to people in the street or with help but i speak to people in the street they identify as russian first you go to the u.k. you won't find any of that russian mean then ethnic affiliation or it may mean a national affiliation so most of the different nationalities who will love to have in this city would also identify as russian i wonder if you given that you get so much maybe multiculturalism is not such a bad thing after all no because i don't buy your definition of multiculturalism at all and just because you have one most with five thousand people able to fit into it that does not in any way replicate the europe that i know i've just come from belgium in fact the jihadi capital of europe where they have twenty two mosques in a six kilometer square do you have miles or kilometers here kilometer yeah six kilometer square area twenty two months so it's very different for me where i live

in terms of multiculturalism which is much more about monaco choose to live in ghettos and showed it's a very different definition to the one that you might understand i actually want to discuss that but before we do that many of the three that you have posted have these hash tag putin brock's three yes which i find very ironic because here in russia you wouldn't be allowed by law to say or publish many things that you say about the muslims in particular because in this society we do prioritize social cohesion over the freedom of speech and that has been like that over many years i would even argue centuries and i think it only intensified under putin do you still think your rocks. and rocks in many ways mostly sounds contrary to most of your ideas i mean he he would be absolutely appalled by many of the things you're saying about spine as well i think you started out by saying you know do we live in a society where we can disagree. still sit in the same room i don't mind if putin

thinks many of my ideas are morally a poor that's absolutely his right to have his views i hold my views very clearly and very dearly for me i come from a country where there is an islamic takeover going on i come from a country where my daughter is our daughters are targeted by islamic jihad this and that's not i'm not free to say any of the things i was very wrong i mean i understand why baguley wrote to me because for too long the west has painted him as a monster and i don't think it's acceptable any longer should he be back in the g. eight absolutely does he need to have sanctions against him no i don't i don't have a problem with putin in the way that other people seem to or maybe you have well i don't know if you follow statements but just last week he spoke again about the need to relax immigration rules and russia he specifically pointed out that you know people of all religious and ethnic backgrounds should be welcomed especially if they have some connection to russia or the so-called russian world hugh seems to

be far more bullish on the me gratian particularly in muslim immigration than teresa mayes government does. you could be i don't know if you could down on you know if you could sort of cow submission to religion more than we have we have to facto sharia law in the u.k. right now we prevented a journalist from coming into our country on the basis of future hate speech as yeah unsaid that is a bizarre situation to live in so i think we have it much worse in this country also has a very peculiar understanding of the freedom of speech but you know bring it back to the muslim immigration or any immigration for that matter. i think the difference is how our society is handling it and in this country it would not be considered advisable to put people in high density neighborhoods they would be agreed. not only required to integrate but this. we actually facilitate that i

don't know on that you and i completely agree you know i've seen multiple examples in the no go zones that i've visited across europe where migrants are all packed away into the suburbs it never works it creates a situation where there's them and us if you go to sweden if you go to belgium if you go to parts of london there's parts of london sweden belgium you can't walk anymore if you're a western woman and you have your hair uncovered you'll be spotted at and called white trash that's never going to work and if you have a system here where you are able to integrate of course that's going to work much better but we don't have multiculturalism it's what i was explaining to you we have a system of monocultures living in ghettos that's very different now much of russia's immigration comes from the so called stance kazakstan to. stand and you're a famous or infamous for referring to london as londonistan which you have to agree carries some pejorative kind of teachers and majority vote in the u.s. well it sounds. the reason i called london last little i'm not

a star is because to me it's completely fallen to the control of the most lemaire can he is spectacularly useless at his job under city can there are some statistics that i'm sure neither you nor i could argue about in the sense that our murder rate is now higher than new york in the sense that all stop rate is just going up by twenty five percent in the number of acid attacks that are happening sixty moped attacks a day with hammers and machetes that's life in london and started under the muslim and what i see from that is the lack of control a lack of law and order and a political islam religion and politics are integrated and people vote according to their faith and that is not democracy for what you describe it in to have to be free of the. whole regime and your situation policies and yet the way you express it. it's pejorative in the much broader sense because stance sounds

mean countries and on cities why does london is a country that a christian and you were and i said it is pejorative yes i'm making their faith of you are mocking other countries rather than the u.k. authorities who are are not really origins are mocking the muslim man and the country that he's built where eighty nine ninety five percent of some areas of i think about tower hamlets knew him eighty ninety percent muslim population that does not reflect multiculturalism that is not a multicultural country or city and when he speaks he speaks only for london and yet he appears to speak for the u.k. of someone like myself who comes from a place called the rest of the u.k. it's intensely frustrating but. i think you do understand that when you refer to londonistan people may draw conclusions about yourself without hearing your argument first because i think. this point if you've been making about important

monoculture is yet to exist in isolation this is a very valued value under discuss point in my field it's a real sociological issue that has to be studied and yet that's that issue seems to be brushed under the table because people take a fancy to you don't you think that the style of your presentation undermines the very valid argument that you're making not for mine money because you know there is a part from the kind of social study of monocultures that i think you so imperative and that's why i've done the work i've done in sweden insistently all of the no go zones that i visit i do actually want city come to be out i want him out of office i want to champion getting even referring to london as i think we spend far too much time to toeing around issues these days i think it's one of the reasons i think your line of questioning is good because you. i'm straight to the point and

it's very much the star that i use with my commentary specially if you use a format like twitter you haven't got forty five minutes to check around the subject you've got a few words to make the result you respect i would never compare anyone to cockroaches i think you can find a more. expressive metaphor i mean i know there is this whole controversy about the i think it was very fair i think i think you're undermining the column which still stands today twenty fourteen if you bring it up i was going to talk about it twenty fourteen i wrote a column that compared migrants across the med to cope with it to give it reference cockroaches i said they're like cockroaches because they haven't in june they seemed to be able to survive no matter what we were taught in schools the only creature that nuclear holocaust is cockroaches that still applies today and still the question is are you hearing about the right you know it's of words rather than the issue you were trying to raise as we stopped the boats know this nine hundred thirty two my reaction is well what i'm saying whether he was in cockroach was

a nice way i mean he was you are right which is where me resilience more well you could have compared them to my questions and smiles that would be a bizarre way of writing copy and very poor english but let me ask you a question the aquarius with i think it's six hundred thirty two nine hundred thirty two i apologize for not knowing let's say six hundred thirty two migrants on board it has nowhere to dock it's really just said no we won't have you tell me what would you do about that if you broke it you own it it was in part western and primarily u.k. policy that created the mass and repair and if you created that mess in those neighborhoods you should expect certain representations for yourself. which port was really won't. you guys have to chip in as well. but that's no solution so why is it why is it not solution just ugly as foreign country or just under special forces. their two year old to live there and then refuse to accept them we

shouldn't be running ferryboats across the med that's and oh yeah you are a common occurrence lady and what you're trying to tell me is that causes don't have consequences here simply trying to wish them away and i don't think that's a commonsense solutions i think you're overlooking this idea that people say they're running from something they're fleeing something in my opinion and it seems surprising to me i would think it's a moment since the pricing to you why is it these young men of fighting age are running away but if it's that terrifying why do they have you know women have eventually i've been on the coast of southern italy trying to get those and i can tell you did they i did they leave their women and children behind if it's so terrified of that look at lots of my question well because first of all many of them are not married but most of the people who migrate into europe so just the young men come here as it's so scary libya they leave the women behind really yes or they manage to bring their mobile phone really yes they were really yes because we completely disagree well we certainly disagree on that but don't you think that

i mean i understand your point on immigration but don't you think that by arguing this line of argument you're also absolving your own government of its responsibilities because it did contribute to the mass and you recognize that and the argument on syria for example you know this is when you go government policies and says aleutian is not to bring people on ferryboats run to buy run by the charity and so on so many this illusion in their country solution just as in syria and other migrant camps we've suggested facilitating in countries solution because of course you don't want to go there and the money for the happy even you can already hear it about allocating money where that give additional monies are not in so it's not enough to you of rebuilding the geometers certainly not to bring those people to our countries and i think the aquarius and n.g.o.s that are running the ferry service i think it's utterly irresponsible and all that it does is encourages more people to come and potentially lose their lives on the med. and that seems to

be the opposite of what you would want to happen well let's take a very short break now but i think we'll get back in just a few seconds taking. a very building never great was founded on the rapes in the murder. nothing changed so we said no response so these situations that we're dealing with.

people get shot every day she is just people killing each other blood for killing children. so it was just no way that people are going to just sit back and allow children to be shot down law enforcement. this country doesn't work for us it doesn't function for us. this is can't be happening in america we call from the streets we've got to deal with why is the reason i have to write like this is the reason. oh. oh. oh oh oh. oh.

that. was. welcome back to worlds apart with katie hopkins british journalist and media personality katie just before the break we were talking about multiculturalism and i want to repeat the point that you made earlier that you believe that the u.k. hasn't been able to achieve with what you have as. ghettos of individual cultures times rather than you know true diversity of the into the mixing of various cultures and yet you also wrote in your book and you made that point over and over again many of your interviews that you wouldn't let your kid play with anyone who

isn't called. nigel don't let alone one hundred fifty isn't that the very attitude that this cultural gathers this was less of a cultural thing in the sense of different ethnic backgrounds this is my experience from going to a state school in the u.k. and you could tell i had this kind of idea as a mom doing the school run you could tell what a kid would be like by its name and i still stand by that so names that i hear the title are it will be destiny all of these kind of names you know no mention of any muhammad well muhammad if you think about it in the u.k. and it's shocking to me the number one million. in the u.k. is muhammad the number two name in the u.k. so much. and i find that from a demographic perspective it's very frightening that actually by twenty fifty they'll be more muslims in the u.k. than there will be british births and i find that actually quite distressing you know i have a kid who is born into a muslim father he's four years old who moment he his name is different it don't

know how many it is a muslim name but is it it is not mohammed but it is a muslim name i wonder well i mean i would have called him but that everyone is called mohammed so how do you know who's your mom. i think in russia i would have left her problem finding mohammad you a question if you have a muslim husband chris let me ask you a question would you ban your kid from playing with my kid because he has a. long as he had i mean it wasn't really done on names alone i could tell what a kid would be like with their names but it was about the fact that they were maybe would turn up to school without a home what they turn up without the right uniform they don't have the mammas that i prefer for my children and i am. muslim families are not as. it was never about muslim families it was about the types of families that i met in the school playground in the types of moms i was a particularly keen on whatever we say we all know the mums that we like and the mums that we don't like i was just really honest about it but regardless of whether

you were referring to a british kid or a muslim care isn't that a fundamentally christian thing to say because you know you talk i don't know any area she finished things in my life i am not a good ambassador for the christian religion and i think that a lot about christian values and a painting there you know i'm just criticizing my size because like if you see any of the stuff that i've done i mean i think many christians would want to distance themselves from me entirely but what i noticed about people with their strong beliefs particularly here in st petersburg you know it's a joy to be surrounded by so many christian churches by the also docks people that believe so strongly ninety percent of people here. you know that i guess key thing i've finished the second thing i really think about the christian faith and what people in south africa are being persecuted is there's a real belief in god in the land and people need something to believe in and i really respect that even though i'm a bad pastor for christianity let me correct you

a little bit because going to try creates that this is one of the most atheists you know about that so you want well the very christian feeling city well let me ask me why do we want the irish or the beholder but if you actually pull people out here is your question so you have a muslim husband right let me ask you a question. for him a profit islam is so fantastic why did muslims always flee to christian countries i wonder why because christian countries or western countries to be more precise tend to send troops to their countries destroy their balls and then it cost them them out of their neighborhoods that's why because why come to christian countries why not go to saudi or another muslim country well because saudi does saudi arabia actually prevents. that muslim neighbors from going there and are they in the government over the years why he decided to prevent migrants going there look i'm not an ambassador for the for the saudi government but i was very very why you don't give a shit america it is a repressive government isn't it because christian lands are free and tolerant and

open it is not the very thing that muslims try and change when they arrive in our country that's my question in my challenge in the u.k. when you when you say that i don't have an answer i don't see an all around or when one when you actually open tolerant welcoming and they'd like people to practice religion then they try and take over and here you actively and publicly advocate for the rejection for the shining of children for the ostracizing and of children based on then me yes and you call that tolerant and open i'm not saying i've said a million times i'm not a great ambassador for being christian but i'm asking you why did muslims always seem to come to christian countries and then want to take over. well i thought that i actually decided to ask her because so many western countries wage wars on muslim goes out of that why not go to saudi why not go to another country where when your house is present at the home when you have a kid on your hands and you try to find any refuge literally you would go across the back mediterranean even if you don't know how to swim you would do anything

possible for you. and your although we don't see any women and children on the boat we deceived her even though i would agree that the primarily six hundred twenty something on the eleven children we don't see many women and children i promise you . i have reported extensively from the ground both and we've been serious and believe me i also i think you could afford me some credibility and there are i'm not where they'll turn over the children in desperate conditions but it is more difficult for them to move around that's for sure now. i've told you long enough to conclude that there are some issues that are very close to your heart that i think you believe in passionately and yet there are those things that you seem to be if they're out there out there for controversy just simply propel your argument can you yourself tell one from the other i think it's trite to imagine that i say things just to be controversial and you would not withstand the level of attacks of

police harassment of detention of having my passport taken of social services being called on my children of my family being under threat of having to gie hardy's plot to behead me in nov twenty seventh i don't believe you would withstand those levels of people trial trying to silence you if you didn't believe you set me convince you or not i'm not seeking to i'm only trying to give people an understanding of what it's like to try and speak freely and openly with my views which are known for being very strong so you would have to really question yourself why would i do this if i didn't really believe what i say and i believe my country to be better i believe in donald trump but i believe japan and russia and america are going to be the three leaders that fight back against the globalist so that's my kind of part of my infusion of the putin here as well you mention the silencing of dissenting

view yeah i totally hear your i personally have been looked into by a couple of times but i would at least agree with you that there is a political censorship or a liberal political censorship going on in a number of western countries but when i hear certain views again and postulating that children could be mistreated because of that names that's that's that's not that is not a fair summary of what i've said. no that is not a fair summary of what i said i said i would invite certain children to my house if you know it's not me. i don't know when you are feeling rejected it feeling rejected as it is pretty painful for a child i can tell you from my own experience i'm pretty sure you're had that experience yourself in your life so when you say that certain children are not to be engaged in families to be looked down to and you know healing that point. there's plenty of other arguments we could have apart from the child children's names anyway when you raise an issue like that some people may indeed

support the argument for a certain degree of censorship don't you think that by laying out something as controversial as we just discussed you're actually providing motive i just i think it is really i mean it's really a new political entity laboring a really fast and i think the reason i have so much support the reason i have a close to a million followers on twitter the reason the articles i put on most read and most viewed is because people identify with the things i'm saying because what we no longer have in the society of people that will tell the truth to power and i'm not a tool frightened of that i'm not at all frightened of saying we need my country back we should not be bound down to people who treat us it was different those things really are a difference about between criticizing your government on irresponsible migration policy which flies aren't talking about children oh i don't even know there isn't is just not in discussing this not as a mayor in stone deserve to be parents that they aren't good enough parents also

but how do you treat you just taking offense on behalf of other people many people agree with me and disagree with you that's also ok we can be relaxed about it and but i don't understand why do you have to because you know we're only ever seriously very passionate why do you have to meet your various i don't mean. i'm a wife i'm a pretty poor christian i'm a traveler i'm an anti immigrant kind of personality i believe in politics i'm many things i'm not just the kind of person that sits in front a camera a big part of who i am is a mom and the mom's who don't really deserve to be moms because they don't bring their children up properly since our time is running out i do want to ask you one more question about censorship i know that you are very concerned about the tommy robinson case a very swift sentencing and jailing of a person. for their reporting on a politically sensitive case in defiance of a court order and majority pakistani muslim. from what i know the british system

has a long tradition of legal precedents do you fear that you yourself with the views that you hold may find yourself in a similar legal situation i imagine are probably on top of the list now for being imprisoned for my views and what concerns me about tom ronson not people say well he was contempt of court he shouldn't be reporting now i understand all that i think the two key questions are or where was the swift justice for the majority pakistani muslim paedophile gangs when tommy robertson was sentence in five hours to thirteen months and secondly i see it very much you have the scriptural case here or there was an alleged to have poisoned individuals on u.k. soil i don't see any difference between this cripple case with putin and what our government has done to tommy rope and they put him in prison he will not survive in prison one guard lets the most of gangs into his cell he's done so i think the

british government is no better than putin in any regard because it silences political people that it doesn't like to hear just in the same way that it's alleged that putin did so we are no better than russia if you are concerned that you may be next is that going to change the way you know not at all your authority if i am imprisoned for my views that it seems to me it's not the truth teller that will be in the wrong it will be the or thora t. and i would hope that there will be a new legion of of the outspoken individuals like myself that will come and fill my shoes and i will write a new book the group behind bars well. thank you very much for your time and i think you encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and for me hope to see you again same place same time here. well the party.

boss. when a loved one is murder it's natural to seek the death penalty for the murder i would prefer it be known in the penalty just because i think that's the fair thing the right thing research shows that for every nine executions one convict just found innocent the idea that we were executing innocent people is terrifying the is just

no really the present and that we're even many of the times families want the death penalty to be abolished the reason we have to keep the death penalty here is because that's what murder victims' families what that's going to give them peace that's going to give them justice and we come in and say. not quite enough we've been through this this isn't the way. with lawmakers manufacture consent to instant of public wealth. when the ruling closest to protect themselves. with the famous larry go around the list certainly the one percent told. to ignore middle of the room sick. tomorrow for the real news

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