that the taliban are fighting isis and we encourage that because isis needs to be destroyed oh so they're good for something at least if it's about knocking out islamic state he had just a few months earlier general nicholson said the taliban's fight against dyess was a piece of russian propaganda we see oh a narrative that's being used that grossly exaggerates the number of isis fighters here this narrative then is used as a justification for the russians to legitimize the actions of the taliban and provide some degree of support complicated hol of ghana's stan business as usual and the american strategy for afghanistan see above the american strategy the strategy from the beginning of the so-called war on terror which was launched off to the september eleventh attacks has chosen this war has turned out to be an utter failure. you know i was we all know was in a stronger position than it ever was in two thousand and one. hand so i

think it's proof that the u.s. has been pursuing a wrong strategy in defeating terrorism on the contrary i think that the u.s. involvement up until now when the focus on military force in the region has the growth of terrorism the taliban is not just pulling out a gun it's firing it it could be time for the pentagon and the state department to hunt for ideas together and be more precise does for me i'll be back with another look at your weekly in about thirty four minutes there with a stretch martin. join

me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest on the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. finally in the film and also the defendant ever tell you now how's it going to get on don keep the front. line in you do you do you would it be that easy to the point to turn that out in the. clutch is that going to see the city people. getting. killed but i've done my duty by my little bit of a wonderful i'm not out of it that i accept that i did much good job as much of the way for the mob not to go to jail but it. exists in london like.

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villages guarded by different polls on what one may or may not same public one man's truthteller has long become another man's bigot while public debate often comes down to have done ting outrage or hurling insults rather than discussing policy is it still possible to have a substantive conversation of those who disagree with me me being. of to discuss that i'm now joined by katie hopkins a british journalist and media personality katie good to talk to you thank you very much for your time thank you for seeing me now you're a pretty controversial person in your own country and many people consider your purposefully offensive and yet over the past few days that you've been here in russia in st petersburg you've only set of nice things that have this interest honestly is not very used to hearing nice things about itself being purposefully spiteful i saying all those things as a contrarian. people have been surprised by my reporting from st petersburg because

i love this place i love the openness of it and it's been a real surprise to me we are i think in the west in my personal view you know putin is painted as a. this is very much the way of people almost actually of coming to russia because there's this idea that somehow a frightening place and all i've been trying to present to people and show people i think is that there's only ever what i see or my truth and my truth from this place is that i love it i feel very safe here much safer than in london for example and i also find people here to be really russian they identify as russian to me and that's a real different from the country that i well let me pick up on that point because you had once specifically about st petersburg to rile a lot of people you describe the city as a place untouched by the myth of multiculturalism and deranged diversity and i'm sure you seen all those dozens of replies of people pointing out to you. most

multicultural city in. the world that of course one hundred sixty nationalities are built by. the french and the buildings and the dutch name of what i mean we also have a very vibrant muslim community who petition this are for a small. yet. no i heard it all i see that i get what people are saying i get them but when you come to some petersburg as an outsider and i'm an outsider it's russian people if you speak to people in the street or with help but i speak to people in the street they identify as russian first you go to the u.k. you won't find any of that russian mean then after the. affiliation or it may mean a national affiliation so most of the different nationalities who will love to have in this city would also identify as russian i wonder if you given that you get so much maybe multiculturalism is not such a bad thing after all no because i don't buy your definition of multiculturalism at

all and just because you have one most with five thousand people able to fit into it that does not in any way replicate the europe that are you know i've just come from belgium in fact the jihadi capital of europe where they have twenty two mosques in a six kilometer square do you have miles or kilometers here kilometers yeah six kilometer square area twenty two mobs so it's very different for me where i live in terms of multiculturalism which is much more about monocultures who live in ghettos and showed it's a very different definition to the one that you might understand i actually want to discuss that but before we do that many of the three that you have posted have these hash tag putin brock's to be yes which i find very ironic because here in russia you wouldn't be allowed by law to say or publish many things that you say about the muslims in particular because in this society we do prioritize social cohesion over the freedom of speech and that has been like that over many years i

would even argue centuries and i think it only intensified under putin do you still think your rocks. and rocks in many ways mostly found contrary to most of your ideas i mean he he would be absolutely appalled by many of the things you're saying about spine as well i think you started out by saying you know do we live in the sun. where we can disagree but still sit in the same room i don't mind if putin thinks many of my ideas are morally applauded that's absolutely his right to have his views i hold my views very clearly and very early for me i come from a country where there is an islamic takeover going on i come from a country where my daughter is our daughters are targeted by islamic jihad this and that's not i'm not free to say any of the things i was very wrong i mean i understand your why baguley wrote to me because for too long the west has painted him as a monster and i don't think it's acceptable any longer should he be back in the g.

eight absolutely does he need to have sanctions against him no i don't i don't have a problem with putin in the way that other people seem to or maybe you have well i don't know if you follow statements but just last week he spoke again about the need to relax immigration rules and russia he specifically pointed out that you know people of all religious and ethnic backgrounds should be welcomed especially if they have some connection to russia or the so-called russian world hugh says to be far more bullish on the me gratian particularly muslim immigration than. may's government does i don't know you could be i don't know if you could down on you know if you could sort of cow in submission to religion more than we have we have to facto sharia law in the u.k. right now we prevented a journalist from coming into our country on the basis of future hate speech as yeah unsaid that is a bizarre situation to live in so i think we have it much well in this country also has a very peculiar understanding of the freedom of speech but you know bring it back

to the muslim immigration or any immigration for that matter. i think the difference is how our society is handling it and in this country it would not be considered advisable to put people in high density neighborhoods they would be a great. not only required to integrate but the state will actually facilitate that i don't know on that you and i completely agree you know i've seen multiple examples in the no go zones i've visited across europe where migrants are all packed away into the suburbs it never works it creates a situation where there's them and us if you go to sweden if you go to belgium if you go to parts of london there's parts of london sweden belgium you can't walk anymore if you're a western woman and you have your hair uncovered you'll be spotted at and called white trash that's never going to work and if you have a system here where you are able to integrate of course that's going to work much better but we don't have multiculturalism is what i was explaining to you we have

a system of monocultures living in ghettos that's very different now much of russia's immigration comes from the so-called stance kazakstan to. stand and you're a famous or infamous or referring to london as well which you have to agree carries some juror to kind of tell it isn't majority vote in the us whereas it sounds. the reason i called london last little on the start is because to me it's completely fallen to the control of the most lemaire can he is spectacularly useless at his job under city can there are some statistics that i'm sure neither you nor i could argue about in the sense that our murder rate is now higher than new york in the sense that our staff rate is just going up by twenty five percent in the number of acid attacks that are happening sixty moped attacks a day with hammers and machetes that life in london is start under the muslim and

what i see from that is the lack of control a lack of law and order a political islam religion and politics are integrated and people vote according to their faith and that is not democracy for what you describe him to have to be free to be controlled and your situation policies and. the way you express it is pejorative in the much broader sense because stance sounds mean countries not on cities why does london is a country that a christian to you when i said it is pejorative yes i'm making that statement you are mocking other countries rather than the u.k. authorities who are are not really valuable origins are mocking the muslim man of love and the country that he's built where eighty nine ninety five percent of some areas of i think about tower hamlets knew him eighty ninety percent muslim population that does not reflect multiculturalism that is not

a multicultural country or city and when he speaks he speaks only for london and yet he appears to speak for the u.k. of someone like myself who comes from a place called the rest of the u.k. it's intensely frustrating but. i think you do understand that when you referred to londonistan people may draw conclusions about yourself without hearing your argument first because i think this point if you've been making about important monoculture is yet exist in isolation this is a very valued valid and under discussed point in my view it's a real sociological issue that has to be studied and yet that's in that issue seems to be brushed under the table because people take a fancy to you don't you think that this style of your presentation undermines the very valid argument you're making not for mine money because you know there is a part from the kind of social study of monocultures that i think you so imperative

and that's why i've done the work i've done in sweden insistently all of the no go zones that i visit i do actually want to see come to be out i want him out of office i want to champion getting. referring to london as a month in the sun i think we spend far too much time to toeing around issues these days i think it's one of the reasons. i think your line of questioning is good because you come straight to the point and it's very much the star that i use with my commentary specially if you use a format like twitter you haven't got forty five minutes to check around the subject you've got a few words to make the result you expect i would never compare anyone to a cockroach i think you can find a more. expressive metaphor i mean i know there is this whole controversy about the i think it was very fair i think i think you're undermining the column which still stands today twenty fourteen if you bring it up i was going to talk about it twenty fourteen i wrote a column that compared migrants across the med to cope with it to give it reference

cockroaches i said they're like cockroaches because they haven't in june they seemed to be able to survive no matter what we were taught in schools the only creature that nuclear holocaust is cockroaches that still applies today still the question is are you hearing about the right you know it's a war it's rather than the issue you were trying to raise as we stopped the boats know this nine hundred thirty two my reaction is well i'm going where that using cockroach was a nice way i mean i mean while you are right which is tell me where me resilience more well you could have compared them to my question elz and miles that would be a bizarre way of writing copy and very poor english but let me ask you a question the aquarius with i think it's six hundred thirty two it could be nine hundred thirty two i apologize for not knowing let's say six hundred thirty two migrants on board it has nowhere.