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but not that i don't like that i accept that i don't have money coming over i'd like to wait for the mob to get a grip and. this is. like losing. somebody to. see. you. no problem. welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle we're discussing the trials and tribulations of the left. ok let's go back to in seattle ok we've really beaten up on the democrats the least

the establishment democrats now would see another angle that's going on i don't want to give the impression and i and i hope we haven't is that people leaving the democratic party are all they are are pro chump they're not all pro trump some of them have moved over to the g.o.p. actually a lot of the data says the g.o.p. is still more attractive than donald trump it's a topic of entirely different program which i think is quite fascinating because i'm a conservative and i really have contempt for the g.o.p. so i would be an interesting topic but i want to go back to. alexandria. has that i mean she's a very interesting phenomenon and she's the the reason the most recent eruption of the just ruction and the two political parties and i get the leadership of the democratic party just so blinded by all of these things here they were blindsided by her election i don't feel sorry for her opponent i mean because he's a swamp character i wish more of them would be thrown out but i mean listening to meet the press democratic socialism i don't think she has

a clue what it really is but it sounds nice ok it sounds nice and considering the the empty rhetoric that we have from these establishment politicians including republicans i'm not surprised some people want to listen to that to be honest with you go ahead. you know i mean she's so they a little different but obviously she was supported by some elements of the new york power structure that allowed her to get to the point that she said that i agree it's good that she's removing so little but probably there are a lot longer than he should have been however that's not really a great sign that the democrats are really you know revitalized there and she's a she's got a very two or three character and for the things that. things are actually i think that he had a very. good standard that. democrats think that if they use the image of bernie sanders that they can actually maintain some kind of you know relationship with

democratic party voters that are leading the party but i don't think that you know she's really a good symbol for what's going on because i don't think that this is a common occurrence and if you look at who is supporting her in the actual standpoint you're going to see the democratic or the donor. one thing for. her and. that's very interesting i mean. i think one of the things he had to say right after her election is that you know i said it has to be dismantled i who is really surprised and really disappointed that it kind of you know that if you we have this trickle down economics but that was trickle up ideology always said you have the people in the mainstream democratic establishment saying we should get rid of ice i mean i'm sure this alexandria is a nice lady i don't want to cast aspersions on or not just twenty eight year old but had a privileged upbringing that showed herself to be you know. a kid from the bronx ok

good that's p.r. let's you know it's how it works but you know i was really amazed how this shocking outcome in the fourteenth district in new york and he goes into the mainstream they want to talk about i snowboarders i mean again this lunacy is a disease you know. donald trump is releasing their brains i guess because they can't think straight if you look at poll after poll republicans and democrats in majorities want better emigration policies again they're out to lunch go ahead julio. yeah i mean and you can if you look at a lot of the quotations a lot of good videos online that show you know hillary clinton talking about immigration bill clinton talking about immigration you know in the past saying that we needed stronger enforcement and you know this alexandria ok zio cortez to me is the worst possible manifestation of identity politics you know and she's so out of touch with a lot of the latino people that she claims to represent i mean

a lot of those people were just everything worth their lives everything they know and left their country to escape those social democratic socialist policies that they have good points america and her story to me is a lie anyway because her dad was a architect who had a successful business she didn't grow up in the bronx she's not a true child of the getaway stress to portray herself to be able to be just a fraud. don i mean i think julio decided really best you know i guess one of the things is that identity politics per se is not really about those individual victimized groups by white people now it's a recipe for power because this is what they want they want power and that's why they can talk about policy ok and this is one of the huge problems like donald trump are not in we've done so many programs on and he does have policies some i'm vehemently are against ok some that i agree with but i'd least of the g.o.p.

he's got policies he can chew on ok the left just have fake pictures on the on on magazine covers i mean it's really really distressing go ahead don let's look at the last twenty five years and follow it to two tracks quickly and look at this in relation to the democratic party at a republican party you had for example the globalization to jobs or start to be offshore to the eighty's and ninety's. though to fast forward one nine hundred ninety nine seattle i think was ninety ninety nine protests all about. a relationship where the you know the unions of the big marches and protests against globalization basically the aliens ended up joining the marches because their constituents went over the heads of the organizers of said you know what these guys are talking about a right it's my job this gets shipped overseas you know fast forward to two thousand and eight you have the economic collapse the people felt so in secure this is america ok they elected the black guy that was

a remarkable moment in american history and what happened nothing exactly the same thing continued policy didn't change an iota you come up to two thousand and sixteen you have in the democratic party bernie sanders who wasn't supposed to get any lift at all he was supposed to be a distraction really wins the primary we're told from here and donald trump was not even a republican every republican in their party ran against him at the entire apparatus both political parties and he ended up winning that nomination in a cakewalk and the presidency one last thing on the other track go back to the ninety's you know go to l.a. and rodney king and everything that happened people go in the streets over that and come straight up to you know black lives matter and the way that the democrats relate to that they try to co-opt it but in effect the policies that came out of it will be a bill clinton with mass incarceration after rodney king all the way up to the way its people are being treated today in the streets you have this whole country actual constituencies with real needs that are not being satisfied that the public

relations effort targets them based on these fake you know identities that are supposed to correspond to the constituencies but because they have nothing to do with policies that these constituencies need their faith and this whole thing is kind of collapsing that's what we're talking about really it's really interesting is that going to go back to you in seattle i mean one of the things we go back to the case in new york alexandria i mean one takeaway for me is that both parties in too much greater degree with the democrats because they can't get that clinton poison out of their system there and i think some people really. i wanted to finally come out here but i mean one of the takeaway from the election was we really need to return to local politics to find out what real people are saying instead of like what don says when i completely agree instead of having madison avenue you know do it on a macro all the way down once you start listening to the people you know in the local cafe and bakery and and find out what they really think because it seems that

there's so very much at odds with the leadership particularly of the democratic party the republican party is more complicated for different reasons and we can talk about that another program go ahead sir. yeah you know i totally agree and it's this kind of weird and those are that the democratic party is in where they want to have their cake and eat it too they want to have their big they want to be against campaign finance reform you know it really is very fraudulent in many ways it's what the democratic party does and part of the reason they don't listen is because their exact constituents that they're going after these kind of identity politics groups probably for the most part understand the problems of neo liberalism and they're not going to be able to get feedback from these people because the democrats have been the problem so long that they hate it after a who they're talking with or if they're using to support the party as the now does more people are really aware of the feelings and then. they're not

listening what they're going to find out information that they don't want to hear and they've been resistant the nose of the federation in this or all of the achievements that they have support in their current efforts and to vote for the party at least for the third. thing that's why i thought about the democratic party under obama as he was barely accomplishing anything it's like ok why should we trust another democrat when brock obama in my opinion made things worse than even made progress on a big picture so it's like hard to trust the democratic party when they have nothing to be responsible for having fixed in recent memory you know the only the only talking point we've had since the election of two thousand and sixteen from the left is to hate and undermine and dismiss everything the president of the united states said the democratic choice of the american people i mean it it's painful to watch cable t.v. like m.s.n. b.c. and c.n.n.

i mean it's not even worth watching like why should i sacrifice the time they will never get back in my life just to hear slurs and. and really just incredible bias it's such poison for our for our political dialogue but there is no dialogue ok it's just one it's a one way direction propaganda this is so damaging to the electoral process and i think and i put it squarely on the left for this go ahead julio yes definitely i mean all he's done is be divisive and separate america great and you don't we just foster all this you know this feeling of division within the country but the one thing that they need to understand is you cannot win a major midterm election you cannot win a presidency without the most important demographic and it's the demographic that both the most in this country which is white men they've done anything everything that they can to sort of you know attack white men in this country and donald trump

obviously resonated with white men and the republican party is resonating with white men so they can go out there they can pay into every particular race every particular secor sexual orientation and religion and all these other things until they start to come up with policies which are attractive to white men they are not only. before we go we are we end the program and i'm really glad that you said that because it's really interesting is that white women did to ok but oh we're told by the democrats hillary clinton that men told them to vote that way i mean they even use the identity politics against themselves it's really quite extraordinary ok gentlemen that's all the time we have many thanks to my guests in seattle west hartford and in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching.