for slater so i do agree that we always have to hold on to our history but we have places where that history can be maintained places like museums and i think that that would be a good compromise people don't have to go to museums if they don't want to but in public spaces we should not be promoting and the thing that we see is that this was a multicultural this wasn't just black people who are up against the sashing saw plenty of white people we saw decent people as well because the bottom line is that white supremacy also has a sense of emotional violence for everyone everyone knows that the truth is being thoughtless that because it's black people through also said white people cruel and young people are starting to that's a realize that more and more and as a matter of fact quite frankly even people who are people in the republican party are not really digging the racism that they're seeing from their president they're not getting a reeses in that they're seeing from their congress whether that's in the form of putting black and brown children in cages and separating them from their families these statues are

a continuation of that history of white supremacy that quite frankly this nation was stolen last founder. you've got about fifteen issues in there mr wright and i don't have time i don't think russia today has time to go against all of them the way i would like to go but let me just point out if you take a statue down and put it in a museum and you don't tell people it's in there nobody goes nobody knows it exists nobody learns the history that i'm talking about people should learn a statue in a public square that has stood there for one hundred five years is itself history and it teaches history and people can make of history what they will but they need the information and sometimes driving by and seeing a statue yes it may be emotionally difficult for some people but if you're growing up and you realize that all that stuff is gone america has gotten away from all that one hundred fifty years ago emancipation was done by a republican on a new party platform the republican party. by evangelical christians who had

emancipation at the top of their list of agenda items they also were met in the public square by the democrat party who after emancipation started the k.k.k. are going to teach that kind of history are going to teach that christians ran the underground railroad they became republicans they rescued escaped slaves and got them safely to the north are you going to teach that there are more slaves in slavery now throughout the world than there were in the entire four hundred years of western slave trade combined more now why worry about what happened one hundred fifty years ago and has been redress to and has been fixed and has been solved and we are farther down the road to dr king's dream of people being evaluated by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin then we have ever been before what we are facing now is a current problem of slavery which i know you and i agree is a terrible thing why can we not muster ourselves to do something about that other

than that it is mostly done by its land and that that other issue also that i'll bring up and toss out there we need to go against this stuff and let people be free and let history be what it is and to learn from it and also take away the good from the terrible horrible western slave trade take away the good in the fact that the western culture england first america from the founding was working hard to deal with it as well as with the other complex issues that they were facing to get free of england why not let all of that history be known and understood and let young people learn that the fighting of slavery the objection to slavery the emancipation the civil rights all of that came over the same time period that you're trying to make disappear by removing clues about history from the public square and leaving them in museums or people won't even know there they're. well yeah i mean what i would say to that is that it's ironic that you're talking about fighting slavery rot but it would be great to see more conservatives concerned about fighting

slavery right here at home we have a system of mass incarceration which of course state sanctioned slavery the thirteenth amendment strictly says that slavery is absolutely impossible suspensory which is why we are seeing. prisoners go on labor strikes because of unpaid labor and discussing that's rable conditions and why are we talking about that right i mean you're more people on the right talking about the slavery that's happening right here so to say that we've come that far along i don't think that you consider you have a president who is incited by the us against people of color whose dog whistles at reeses and have become full on warrants which have led to people like our sister heather being killed in charlottesville last year why don't we see conservatives talking about that hate why don't we see conservatives going up against a president who has literally under you talk about freedoms where you're more concerned with the statue than you are with n.f.l. players having the right to take a need to stand up to reece's in the white supremacy that run this country you

can't say things like this country was founded when it was stolen based on a platform a brutal genocide in land that native americans who are sovereign to this land and it was yes you're right the republican party did. emancipate the slaves but that's a false narrative because we all know that then slipped around a little bit when. he said compromise or eight hundred seventy seven under which unleashed a whole system of redemption under bruges and crow and then of course when the civil rights act was enacted and passed we know that there was a switch after that that was the democratic party i'm not a democrat myself by the way but i just want to make sure that we're you know being honest when we're talking about history your heart is hurting think of the southern strategy which was based on racism and inciting. fears in white people through black people and that's why we still have state sanctioned slavery today mass incarceration despite the fact that the majority of crimes are committed by white

people it's black people who are getting disparate sentences i mean forget this if you had a white man who raped a woman who only got three months in prison i mean i mean give me a break that we've come back far back that we elected it's true that we have not come as far as we would like to we also need to work on sanitizing martin luther king there are many other black leaders that we can quote from including stokely carmichael who said we still have to struggle for our rights to create our own service which define ourselves and our relationships to society and to have these terms recognized and you know we've given ample opportunity what we're cooking i want to say is that last year of the year there was more chapel hill then three hundred ninety thousand dollars on security for that statue which is the equivalent of a student tuition for forty five students that money could have been better spent we don't need to be securing statues of i'm willing to compromise with you let's go to museums and you can advertise them all you want the people who want to go are going to want to go it's not like we're seeing white supremacists did it visit the

national inching memorial that just occurred in alabama or dr king's memorial in washington d.c. or the black history of the smithsonian these and if they don't want to go that's fine we're not going to force in the we're not a recent history what we're saying is that like we are not going to subject people to emotional violence on any horse because those statues were not made to uphold history they were made to uphold what it's a currency sign of sand in particular was made to uphold a confederate soldier who say they were fighting for his state he wasn't fighting for a seat he was fighting for rights of parents. are lacking a certain maturity when they look at a statue and get scared and afraid and alarmed and harmed emotional like we're lacking a certain. pushpa case dismissed or lacking circumspection or lacking in. understanding that that statue eased history and the people who put it up for whatever reason are all dead and gone now and it's been standing for one hundred five years and it is history but i don't care about the statue because we aren't

a dictatorship and toppling statues isn't a huge part of making this country better statues our history we need to learn history we need to hold on to history among other things so we can congratulate ourselves for how far we've come since then we can't do it if we don't have any idea what's going on george orwell's warning was eerie the way that it's going to date the democrat party trying to erase history and rewrite the book so that it can just point at people like me and claim that i shouldn't even be heard because i'm just intuitively bill inherently racist i just i dispute all four hundred seventy five of your premises and i wish we had more time. which is a quick questions or do you think that our lives were sisters and brothers in this country or far right wing political action committees like eight had would be ok with the sexual adolph hitler in a college campus or adolph hitler in renewing jane israel now really we're going to i'm going to return the reason and i don't i'm jewish i say you are right charlie

well i don't saying that i am that if there are things that you at all i would be standing with my jewish sisters and brothers to topple that's actually as well and i think that there is there is a bit of a double standard because we know that we would be receiving tons of you know for a fact if there was ever a college campus that erected sexual. as it turns out there are no statues of at all fiddler anywhere in the world for the very reason that you point out and the fact that there was this statue proves that he is not at all fittler and that at all fittler is the wrong person to invoke when making your comparison invoke all the other statues of all the other historical figures in america should be remembered for good reasons and bad but mostly because they inform us about what history was who we were how far we've come how we did it and who we are today you lose track of history you lose track of who we are don't be pulling down statues we are not a dictatorship we are not stalin or pol pot needing statues knocked down to prove

we've overcome the evil repressive dictator where america is just history learn from it and don't be acting like we're a dictatorship ok i want to go with you on a question or when it's required i want to hear from both of you we can start with anthony but so far many argue that the campaign to tear down confederate statues and other monuments is actually just causing deeper division in society what do you make of that argument. yeah i think that that is a common tactic from kuwait a term that was coined by a amazing scholar and baker a white woman iraq in the angelo and she quoted for his wife or jody whenever we'll both be issue a pretty specifically says that if we people of color we get caught in this you know but at the same time if i don't it's the visit the because of the gentleman said if we're going to talk about history we have to talk about reese ism in america and which are very that we have to talk about contemporary system as well

it's not to this at all to the top of your press or what's that this is that is forcing people to have to look at something to have to embrace symbols of white supremacy when they're going to school for young black and brown women so on their currency to see white men who say machinery against their ancestors who say ship or store quality that to me it's the visit and not talking about it is that is a. tenet of buddhism is that we have to brace for what is right in front of us we're not going to get to where we want to go if we don't talk about these things former attorney general eric holder said that when it comes to the issue of race we are indeed and he should have powers and the more that we don't talk about race the more that we are going to get to fight it would be like saying that the amazing women who have brought up the issue of peach arche and me too isn't are being divisive because they are saying time's up with pitcher he was sexual harassment that's not being that this isn't that standing up and that's and that's and that's

what you're supposed to do in this nation right i mean everything everything that we have achieved and more that we still do need to achieve had to do with a sense of the business first that brought us back together the generate the votes after martin luther king i would ask him if he remembers where dr martin luther king's coeur rating was a most white people at the time of his assassination or how about these approval rating was at the time that he refused to go fight a white man's war in vietnam so it you know this is. this is just one of those. topics of wait for julie to. really read a situation who are on comfortable talking about a system of one percent privacy that benefits them versus. anthony just so you know we have lost our connection with dave we're trying to get him back for now i'd like to continue talking to you you mentioned earlier earlier the cost of the upkeep of this statue a lot of that was actually because it was being vandalized to be fair and so my

question is what do you think of the way that this was removed you were saying that putting it in museums would be a better option but people took this into their own hands and actually pulled down the statue you know defacing public property what do you make of that move from them. yes i understand that and you know of course we heard statements from the chaplain as well as the governor of the state refer to these people as being violent you know i think that week we have to understand how are using that phrase violence rape can sometimes be a hypocritical term in the sense that if it's done for my benefit it's violence if it's done in our scuse me it's not if it's done it gets my benefit it is violence you know people were speaking about this time and time and time again but gentlemen didn't vote dr king dr king also talked about rights being the language people who feel like their voice so these are students these are people patrons who are paying to you know to go to this university to be educated who have saying we don't want

this hearing more they were ignored and they believe that they have to take matters into their own hits me personally whether it's here in the united states whether it's people in ireland whether it's the people of palestine i don't think that we have a right to tell people how to approach their oppression or their oppressors of course we would like to see things done in a more peaceful way the students didn't feel her it's the same thing that we saw back in the sixty's when people don't feel her they are going to take things into their own hands so you know be the state needs to accept some responsibility for this getting so where where it has gotten to. maybe you know at that time when when they were asking like look we don't want to see this anymore we want by this we're trying to study we're trying to go to classes trigger and that even the time to go to drew take it inside keep it on campus and take it inside the u.n. see has plenty of money they have a basketball team that generates millions of dollars for that university some sort

of structure could have been erected to have the statues placed in there but but i you know i will concede that of course it's troubling when we see young people who are hurt in the streets and do what they have to do but you know it didn't just happen overnight i mean. this works and point that started with. anthony unfortunately we are not able to get dave back on the line so we're going to leave it here but thank you for your time anthony rogers right a political activist and i just want to mention again dave perkins a conservative talk radio host was also with us this evening thank you so much rob more news after this short break.