but we can definitely agree that civility and conversation are much more intelligent way to go about establishing policy that works for america they end slinging insults and especially as you point out to peter it's the identity politics i would argue not the president the identity politics that have brought the democrats to where they are in what is amounted to a truly uncivil war that is really among the left in this i mean they're right we're getting along pretty well not perfectly but pretty well i remember a few years ago when i thought the republican party was imploding but at this point i really think that identity politics is imploding the left that they have got to get some issues to stand on and to work together frankly because even if the three of us four of us sat down and discussed policy we could agree on we could find something that all of us are passionate about and we could fight together on that but rather than that the american people and especially the traditional democrats out there they're watching this lunacy go on the left and thinking i don't know but

i know that's not what i want and they'll lose in the midterms because of it i feel quite sure at least at this point if something doesn't change fast you know why can't the establishment democrats rein these people in are they afraid or do or they're worried to be their bases drew a drifting to more progressive socialist we could look at what happened in new york i mean what what what what's the lack of reaction because it seems like the lack of reaction shows the huge splits within the party go ahead. it's a completely fragmented party right now there is no leadership who can you say is the leader of the democratic party no one since you seem really sensitive modern story booker. maxine so you know and here's the here's my proclamation for the democrats that they bet that they have to get the sky is always blue water is always wet and donald trump is always going to be donald trump so stop complaining

about what he says and what he does because he's always going to do that why do you throw some policy at us and tell us what you were going to do democrats to get rid of them or if why should we vote them out what what is your plan as a democrat i can't speak to any policy i've heard other than donald trump is a creep and a jerk ok i agree so what are we going to do. ron you're agreeing there now that was my point is this it's ever been ever since the campaign not even the election is that the more you go after this guy the mainstream media the more you push him up and it's free advertising what in any any and so much you know you have seen him go out on the road i mean all he does is attack these people and they love it ok they were giving him all his material ron yeah you're absolutely right and i'm sorry guys i missed a little bit i was having a tech issue on my and i it's called it's got to express i got out i was like why was it something i said i don't know i don't have a good discussion but that everything just kind of went out on me version so i'm

not totally caught up i apologize but yeah i think rob you bring up that are very good point they don't have any policy ideas i don't think that's an accident though and that's why again i'm very disenfranchised by the two party system right now because i don't feel that there's anybody with power in politics with the exception to bernie sanders ok that represents any of the policies of iraq going to jump in here i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on political stability stay with our. you know world as big partners truth. and conspiracy it's time to wake up

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welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered on peter mind you we're discussing political civility. ok let's go back to ron in. on skype here you write before going to the wreck you want to finish up a point please go ahead. yeah i mean i mean i was just getting at you know rob brings up that e's not seeing any policy ideas from the democrats he's absolutely right i think this is by design i think that really the united states is ready to go in a more populist direction if the four of us you know the four of us sat down and dr gene it was same if the four of us sat down and really talk policy we wouldn't agree on everything we seemed to kind of be all over the spectrum we have different points of views on different things however there would be some really big paler

that i think we would all have in common i think we would all want to end the wars and invest that money back home i think we would all want to see a populace where employment is in better shape we might have some different ideas on how to get there but it's something that we would all want to see happen there would be some big crucial for instances where we would be on the same page who does that not benefit that doesn't benefit the establishment that's right ron let me go to gene and you know why all four of us can have a civil conversation because we don't have to worry about donors really that's reason why ok yeah it becomes more of a health care and that's right that's right you know geno one of the things that really bothers not even though it's a rumor. that one of the things that really bothers me about what's going on here is that my first incarnation professionally i was an academic historian and i taught courses at the university of california and i really really hate it when

people start using the term nazi and calling someone hitler because i know the history of the twentieth century in europe extremely well and the people on the left throwing those terms around are so abjectly. incorrect and without knowledge they don't know what they're actually saying it's a very terrible those are terrible terms and you have to use them very sparingly go ahead gina because that's what gets on my. well that is discouraging to me too for exactly the reasons that ron cited when i believe that there are productive things we could do if we would actually work together and for all the criticism of this president he has been someone who is willing to work with his political enemies and he's willing to sit down with democrats and he's willing to ask their opinion and that's one of the things i like best about him it's even willing to call himself off once he's really decided somebody is a bad person and to stop and listen and if we had a little more of that particular element in our society i think we'd be better the

democrats have themselves in a real position and here's why their money is coming from the far extreme left those in hollywood and the progressives in general but their votes come from places like the rust belt the unions where the jobs are drying up because of illegal immigration and other sorts of policies that the democrats have passed so the democrats can't figure out how to get both the money and the votes and that's their delimit they're going to have to start to develop if they're going to survive in a two party system as ron referred to they're going to have to develop some sort of policy that can appeal to a broader base and pull from republicans not that i'm here to advise the democrats although that's not like that's just what i did but i kind of watched some of these problems happen within the republican party not all that long ago and i honestly and you may not believe me as i am on the right and i don't deny that but i've landed here honestly and i'm willing to admit when i'm wrong i honestly crave

a government where we have a strong opponent that comes up with good idea yeah so that that makes my side yet or i do think that politicians all of us when we're all on is a very smart observation and i think that's really good in that makes the political debate brings it up to a higher level here. i want to go back to this historical thing because i think it's i think it's really important i mean when we have people you know there's like the n.t. for people that you know this real. the french people there are saying that you know. making comparisons to nazi germany well i would say that there is a historical analogy and volume are germany where germany was collapsing in the one nine hundred twenty s. for a whole wide variety of issues but there was that during that time there was the lack of respect and the breakdown of public discourse that's one of the reasons why the nazis was able to come to they were able to come to power and i think that this is a critical moment that that's a history lesson is if you continue down this path yes you could create

a very very disturbing future but we're not there yet and i think people need to step back and and all of us here a bit like mine policy policy and more policy i'm tired of the emotions go ahead rob. well first of all as a jew i don't like the word nazi thrown around so arbitrarily and easily i think i'll make it clear i think he's despicable i don't like him he demonizes immigrants but that's not the same thing as what took place in nazi germany and i agree with you peter we have to look at things historically it's it's like what happened in iran with the ayatollah khomeini and we were so upset about that as americans well why did that happen who did we support we support of the shah of iran what republicans used to complain so much vociferous only when when from el castro took power but we had multinational corporations in cuba paying workers two cents

a day there sort of course there was a revolution so i we have to look at what leads up to things and things donald trump didn't just pop out of nowhere and invent himself and just get elected by magic there were things that upset infuriated people and he had a you know voters that came in and elected him and so we have to look at the why instead of again complaining about donald trump oh he's this he's that he's terrible he's a jerk. and tom landry had a great sign when he was coach of the dallas cowboys that said what if there is no what if. so let's let's deal with reality and what's happening right now and again i'm going back to policy policy policy you know ron we had a supreme court justice kennedy announced he's stepping down i'm really worried and they mean if we think the political atmosphere is bad now wait until his successor is announced and before he goes or she goes before congress i mean this is going to

be one hell of a storm ahead of his here because it's already started i mean the ink wasn't even dry in the document and that that war really started flaring out i'm really were. read about how this process is going to work go ahead ron oh i mean you know i'm also worried about a hyper conservative supreme court i understand i understand that the guy understand it i understand but what i'm saying but what i'm saying is is that i'm more worried right now is the process because what it does is it taints the entire process it taints the court and now you have people on the left extreme left doubting the constitution itself now there's a lot of things that need to be done but if we don't have the same playing field in the same laws then then we can even further away from communication there is going to be a come from a sion process and now the democrats want to get their act together and ask good questions and said destroying their arms up in the air ok that's not going to help

anyone go ahead ron. and we'll see what they do i mean when it came to no gorsuch they certainly just kind of threw their arms up in the air and in i think that one of the things that this does for the democrats is it really kind of strengthens their argument of blue no matter who hey look what happened look at the supreme court for all you people that want to actually change within the party for all you people that wanted to run as progressive straw you people that went to joel stein this is your fault it's not the fault of barack obama who just kind of let his pick go and didn't do anything about it it's not the fault of the democratic establishment who propped up a flawed candidate in arguably the only candidate donald trump was capable of beating it's not the fault of our political lack of any type of hardball whatsoever and just rolling over to the republicans because a lot of the democrats just go along with the republicans anyway it's your fault the whole supreme court thing just kind of strengthens their blue no matter who

argument meanwhile you know we're facing a potential hyper partisan hyper conservative supreme court for years and years to come and i respond to something gina said i don't think the problem with. the democratic money is necessarily hollywood now this is coming from somebody who the president of show business still will not take my phone call maybe there's a little bit. but i think it's you know they're bought and sold by the same people you know their donors are the pharmaceutical industries their donors are big oil so of course they're not going to come out against fracking because big oil gives them a lot of money of course they're not going to come out. of wall street thank you so it's like when you have two parties that are just kind of bought and sold by the same people one party is allowed to represent those people want to apologise to cleek as they were on the right this is what we do the other party is just a little more subtle about it ok gina you know i really like deniro as film

sees a great actor i think he made a complete fool out of themselves by making a spectacle lot of themselves and one of these award gatherings here i mean will it's really time for hollywood to kind of simmer down and you know we give you a few ball actually a lot of bucks to watch your films but i don't need to hear your political opinions to be honest ok because i don't see how anyone really in hollywood except maybe clint eastwood i can show my prejudice but i don't see that they're particularly well informed and i don't know why they should try to get involved in the political process go ahead yes for example when they're saying you know destroy ice it's only existed for fifteen years that's not true it's just called a different name before so when hollywood comes out on these some of these issues they sort of they make some mistakes because they don't have the historic knowledge that you're talking about and and that doesn't look at either but i think that ron illustrates a really keen point here that should be punctuated and that is when

when both parties were both listening to the same tune right at the wall street you know whoever came up whoever had the big money because they needed it to. you reelected that right there is what i think that people like me who like civility who like you know i am a conservative bona fide as best i can tell again i keep an open mind but i think i am but that's what i liked about donald trump and that's why i elected and worked hard to elect a donald trump it wasn't because he was like me it was because he didn't need or seemed to want or even seem to have a lot of regard for those same groups that had always controlled you know in particular big pharma particular wall street some of those groups he didn't have a need for them he didn't seem to care or give them much regard or even respect and i wanted somebody who would answer to me and i think that the average democrat out

there right now they want the same thing they want to politician who's not bought and sold who will answer to them and they can't find that in the democrat party like now and that's the conflict i'm going to jump in here i think the political establishment needs to calm down and i would give the same advice to the president of the united states that's all the time we have many thanks to my guests in new york los angeles and west palm beach and thanks to our viewers for watching us here to see you next time and remember crosstalk rules. but whole existence to do something that. they put themselves on the lawn they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. or somehow want to preserve

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that they're all right so this is a long. long way from what you made probably. for the good people more adult films of all those on the go to our. little family that. i. played. here there this is a boom bust broadcasting around the world from washington d.c. i'm part children and thank you for joining us coming up this time we focus on the eurozone and look at the good the bad and yes the ugly economies we don't know what the help of say your strong market worries word which and from germany are to

correspondent peter oliver and with u.s. sanctions on iran many companies and nations that do business with the nation are choosing to leave if they can tell what's behind all of it she joins us from toronto and tell us about one company but it's a french company told. hall which is trying to cut lose plus we go deeper and ask more questions about that story we reported on last week regarding the killing month santos herbicides found in breakfast cereals tricks made not to eat for kids anymore are to correspondent sara months as the focus joins us plus it's been nearly nine months since the u.s. congress passed and president trump signed into law tax legislation to reduce taxes on companies and people today we take a look at the impact so far with the executive director of the oh god to act center at american university professor donald williamson all that straight away and other jam packed broadcast but first we get to a few headlines as the summer of twenty eight team continues to roast the earth's

northern hemisphere there is some big and not so great news on climate coming out of the united states the head of the trump administration's u.s. environmental protection agency or e.p.a. andrew wheeler signed a plan to allow increased greenhouse gas emissions from coal fired power plants the plan cynically titled the affordable clean energy rule rolls back president obama's clean power plan and delegate power to reget to various states to regulate coal states of course are expected to go easy on coal under the trump plan allowing a net increase of the emissions that are quickly changing our world for the worse but technical analysis behind the rule shows that an additional fourteen hundred people will actually perish will die by twenty thirty if the plan is adopted group seeking to keep the planet viable for human beings wouldn't that be nice as the beach boys thing hope to use the two thousand and seven supreme court case that ordered e.p.a.

to regulate greenhouse gases as their legal tool to block the trump administration's plans in court and there's also politics of energy regarding climate change in australia as conservative prime minister malcolm turnbull today abandoned modest climate and energy plans after intense pressure. from the right wing of his party specifically mr turnbull jettisoned a bill to require emission reductions of twenty six percent by two thousand and thirty leaving australia short of meeting their commitment under the paris climate agreement here's what prime minister turnbull had to say in the capital city of comparable. now it is clear that in the absence of bipartisan support the legislation to move forward with the emissions component of the national energy guarantee will not be able to pass the house of representatives now in politics you have to focus on what you can deliver and that's what we've done and will continue to do. well mr trouble claim the bill can pass can't pass parliament the plan

supposedly has support across political parties australians are increasingly demanding action on energy to remedy high prices and climate impacts both of which can be addressed with new clean energy capacity. and as we briefly mentioned here last time greece's bailout has officially ended though are there any policies imposed as a condition for those credit packages or remains in place starting in two thousand and ten greece asked for and accepted and it's compel rather to accept three different packages of financial aid totaling nearly three hundred billion euros from the european commission the european central bank and the international monetary fund in greece tentative plans to officially celebrate the bailouts and were cancelled e.u. commissioner of economic affairs pier of moscow viki hailed the bailouts and. the fact is that greece she's transformative reforms have laid the foundations for

a sustainable recovery putting in place the fundamental conditions need for sustained growth for job creation and for sound public finances indeed used to come this was the main goal of the program that and today we all knew that greece concludes its program with a public debt level that these the highest of any. member state. greek prime minister alexis tsipras compared the crisis and aftermath to homer's odyssey a national address an international drug. said our country is regaining its right to define its own fortunes and futures like a normal european country without having policies forced on it by foreign officials with no more blackmail no more sacrifices for our people. and in that regard we take a look at the good the bad and the ugly of the eurozone economies you can guess where greece lands to help us out we're joined by the c.e.o.

of straw market and from germany r.t. correspondent peter oliver thank you very much both of you for being here and peter let's start with you the good not long ago some experts we reported here peter that said that germany could go into a recession as early as this june well as they saying not dead yet the second quarter growth for the country is surprised and pleased many peter what's the latest. well certainly not dead in fact alive and kicking is the german economy it's performed better than it had been expected for the second quarter of twenty eighteen posting gross though of zero point five percent to g.d.p. that's up all what the full cost is had predicted for the second quarter which was zero point four percent what that means is we're now looking at around two point three percent growth for the whole of twenty eighteen and in fact they're predicting that growth will continue through into twenty nineteen where we could

see a further two point one percent growth of g.d.p. now they say well those numbers in fact are well above the average growth levels full of the german economy over the last ten years so everything as you say looking well would be an understatement it's looking fairly rosy for the german economy at the moment and peter which specific sectors of the german economy seem to be making the most progress at least in the second quarter. trade it's all about trade really for germany in fact the figures that have just come out of showing that exports are at the center of the german economy we knew that already but the germany set to post the largest ever trade surplus for twenty eight hundred some two hundred ninety nine billion dollars in trade surplus made in germany is a stamp that sells around the world book it's putting so much of not of on trade isn't everybody's cup of tea in fact we've seen that upset donald trump it's also

upset the european union seven point eight percent of germany's economy comes from exports now under the rules that are put in place to try and keep everything on an even keel by the e.u. you not supposed to exceed six percent so they've been getting it in the neck from the european union as well from brussels from the european commission as well as the the criticism they've been hearing from donald trump over the atlantic but what we have seen in the second quarter is the german economy try to steer away from relying wholly on exports what we've seen is a big increase in consumer spending also increasing government spending as well and a lot of contributing factors have been given for this talking about high employment rates in germany at the moment also a rate rise in wages across the board in the country and the construction industry in germany if you look out on the skyline of burley and you see cranes almost

everywhere you look construction is still booming and that is also getting that shot in the arm to the german economy and that's why all of the numbers are in the black and all of the arrows pointing up very interesting and hillary who is good and great but i want to give the bad economy in the euro zone have you have you talk about that and what about the greek debt crisis give us to a quick refresher and how is the country position. now hillary well gee thank you. for giving me greece but no actually i have to say you know bailout sounds like free money but it wasn't it's actually more just more debt so i think the end of this is actually good for the greek economy and i think that it does give them back some degree of autonomy of though of course they're going to be still under the eurozone auspices i think what's important to note is how the austerity measures have taken place and they are proud of that take for example just the banking sector there were before the crisis of forty banks now there's nine there were sixty six thousand something staff now it's down to forty there were four thousand

branches now it's down to two thousand i think you can see a lot of the austerity measures have taken place in terms of making the banking sector leaner and meaner and i think that's what the country needed there actually is projected to be a two percent growth of g.d.p. growth which is actually similar to germany's obviously a completely opposite percentage so much smaller in terms of contribution to the european economy but i think that's good it shows that it's strong my concerns though are about what has happened during this crisis i mean about one hundred fifty thousand of their best and brightest have left there has been a brain drain and i think that's what's going to affect the economy in the future doctors lawyers accountants of all left in droves and going to other countries both in the e.u. to the nordic countries to the u.s. canada and china and i think that's a great pity and that's going to be a problem in the future rebuilding hillary get an excuse same question that i asked peter about the sectors which sectors of the greek economy were doing ok which ones

not well when you say sectors i mean the sad thing is there really isn't any hard industry so we can't point to things like we can in germany. the largest market cap company in greece is coca-cola so there isn't any large manufacturing i think two sectors that will continue to do well in that they have as an offering in a unique offering are tourism and agriculture tourism although over twenty million visitors that is projected it could grow exponentially. it's only at like about a third of its capacity athens could host you know three times more tourists than it does right now it all depends on efficiencies and if government regulations could be relaxed in terms of the amount of entrepreneurial businesses that want to start interest and then agriculture there are so many products that are unique to greece whether it's i think it's one of the number one exporters of both olives and all of oil and grapes and a lot of agricultural products so that's the future for greece it peter real quick we've just got about sixty seconds mean what does this all your turn for the euro zone particularly light of the the trade tariffs.