tv The Alex Salmond Show RT August 23, 2018 6:30pm-7:00pm EDT
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what you know and what you know is what you have surrounding you your family your landscape your language and that language was catalan so it's like this up through a tree that goes through the branches and then. might become green or not have flowers or not but the bends so the suppression of cattle under franco actually led to the the opposite. i think partly. because you saw what was happening and i mean when you look around even of a child. you realize you are using a language and maybe your family knows. in those songs or you go to a village and that's the language of the spoken and suddenly in the public place this language doesn't exist. it's like
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a ghost and. children have your city and you try to discover and when you discover you realize that those are your roots and i think it's important to find your roots if you want to grow and also if you want to become yourself. robert scotland's national poet wrote famously in the scots line it's primarily because he wanted to make a statement that the scots language was the equal of of english or any other language if you want to demonstrate that you can express ideas perhaps for you better cataloging and in spanish or any other language i think probably was trying to express. your own ideas i would say your feelings and your emotions more than this language the tools we had were all in another language so it was
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important for us to recover the tools to join the eldest which were not all that all and i think we were very welcomed by the generation who had been born just before the civil war and. probably that they were the last generation in that culture in that language and when they saw that they were young people innocent enough to join in the world of wanting to write poetry and they really helped us a lot. you felt in good company and you felt also. belonging to a tradition. ours where when you were starting out. a young point did you think . you'd be in an environment where catalan is the leading language the official language of cattle do you think that transition would would carry that far
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it's very difficult to know what you thought when you were young. i cannot jump into myself sixty years ago seventy years ago. probably not to answer the question i've been trying to program is for the international. nation as an antonymous region as a part of the european continent as a community if identity. catalunya i think it's all these things together it's it's a whole nation it's the people basically a thing that people belonging. to belong to the cattle and. it's a language is at least three it's a culture it's a landscape. many things i think. what's. what made.
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the scottish. people. what makes french people french what makes the american people who is one of the newest nations american i think it's. something which is there to everyone and also something which comes from. in history. and also having some sort of common future something that. something which. in the future is going to be better than what we have now. what we are to the boss was a great answer for listen i don't know what the future holds for catalonia but i hope it so good well i hope it can be toasted in a quick. thanks i know that you know the drill thank you very much risk in the quick you actually have. bought
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a will to be open to some friends brought from santander as we can do to bring it with you no no because a lot of the. i know were that was going through a thank you for thank you i'm no joined by mark mckinnon a much. journalist and write one talk radio station catalunya you get your finger on the possible one of the people seeing about the events of the last few months well i think there is a lot of worry from people about what's going on in catalonia so maybe some years ago. paul's didn't show a lot of people thinking about this issue people by then were more worried about unemployment economics corruption but from the lead to see the end of last year polls show that people is now thinking about independence as i think unsolved and
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asking politicians to solve it so well in the middle worst bustling radio station live in what are your listeners falling in a boat or whether they floating in a boat in the permanence of the falling down the politicians to go on with what was the word of the street well i think that there are a lot of people thinking that these issues will be tackled with a referendum other people thinking that there is no way to solve it in an agreed. through an agreement with the moderates and that catalan government should go in just declare independence in try to implement a republic and some other people thing. that's all this issue should be forget and let's go to the autonomy and let's do our things more easy too which is why did you think the argument was political debate is good if it was going to be a new strategy evolving from the independence supporters to the new government is
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going to be more conducive to at least talking live was going to was going to happen but i think we are in a turning point after war has happened in the last month especially in october with the referendum that the clinician up in the bends i think that now . and then spark this should. have a reflection think about what will be the next step to take and they are not together in what can be a roadmap your assessment is they're going to be meaningful discussions between the the new president will catalunya and the new prime minister the spirit of the going to be able to come to any understanding i think they are going to discover late the tension but. farther than this i don't know if the talks can go farther because
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the cornerstone of the question is what is catalonia so. according to the spanish government it's catalonia is just most of the people in favor of independence but also people against in the balance think that that alone is a community with the right to decide thinking about journalism reporting on news extraordinary events i mean is it a button for journalism a million or more people buying used papers or more people tuning into the national radio yes there was a huge interest in what was going on these days so you know that. we can check the audience minute by minute especially people connecting by internet and in those days a thing we had record of listeners waiting for news and what was worse the reaction of what was going on. i don't know of if i. can supply the scotch whisky but i can supply the quick for the sceptical you know the drill
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with and then you can toss catalunya and scott thank you thank you very much you're welcome but one of the features of the cataloging debate has been the prevalence of cattle and academics working overseas and the prevalence also of the online media coming up after the break i speak to a professor from princeton university i'm the founder of the all the audio i newspaper in the whole of europe. chose seemed wrong. when old rules just told. me you get to shape out these days you can stick out to it and in detroit it was betrayal
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. when so many find themselves worlds apart. just to look for common ground. when a loved one is murder it's natural to seek the death penalty for the murder i would prefer it be in the death penalty just because i think that's the fair think the right thing research shows that for every nine executions one convict despond innocent the idea that we were executing innocent people is terrifying there's just no way that doesn't mean that we even many victims' families want the death penalty to be abolished the reason we have to keep the death penalty here is because that's what murder victims' families want to that's going to give them peace that's going to give them justice and we come in and say. not quite you know we've been through this this isn't the way.
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that i'm going to learn how to not their man are not good at that not out of the mouth of somebody that they're letting go of. this was a good time to. try to move. oh. no nothing nothing you know how to be not why not gender again why it generated the whole people we believe just a little bit here. a lot of my kids i let out the bubble so johnny the audio of the moment i thought of mother how do it all the kids or is it a little on the way to my building looking at the things i don't want to put out a lot more party without all the mothers love it.
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welcome back and attempting to answer the question what is catalonia alex is trying to portray i'm to do for him now he looks academia and online publications to find out what the people are telling the posters and what their three think. cause bosh was a professor of political science at princeton university has a doctorate from harvard university and was an advisor to the world bank and the internet it can develop mint bank he's been a member of the american academy of arts and sciences since october twenty ten and was awarded the twenty twelve or better foundation prize. professor. explaining catalonia the feelings of people in catalonia as the independence supporters grow and have the cattle and feelings of identity as
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a nation increased you're right that the sentiment for independence has grown ten years ago it was only about. fifteen percent of the population that would be in favor of voting for a separate country or a nation and now it's close to fifty percent i don't think that national identity has changed that much it has become stronger and especially the support for these more radical solution has grown catalans always felt a nation or at least into modern politics but they always thought that it would be possible to leave as a set of nations within a spain and that was i think the project that took place in the nineteenth century most of the twentieth century trying to reform in spain to engage in spain to get political autonomy and the independence group was basically a minority and that is what has changed the the way to solve these conflict and how
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is the support for the problem there so even the feelings of catalan national at the house at the first of all the age groups in the population and also in the socioeconomic groups are the big differences well as you know there are two main groups like forty five to forty eight percent of say that would vote yes in a referendum on independence. forty percent now say no and the rest are be was on have an opening on. the there is a clearly a different in terms of age so all the people are less in favor of independence i would say that perhaps it's only thirty percent are versus you know so there is a clear majority in favor of. no or union with the spain among all people among the young i would say it's two thirds that are in favor of independence if we believe the current survey so age is important. the second thing that is important is
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family so basically eighty percent of the talents have at least one grand parent born outside of catalonia so we cannot think of catalans as an ethnic group to basically you know a city community of people that some of them have family that goes back to you know the nineteenth century to century whatever but most of the population have to be very mixed origins now within those that have made mixed origins those that have more grandparents that were born here they are more in favor of of cattle independence but it's not about ethnicity i would say it's about you know the root being rooted so professor bush you say that the demographics tell us that the vast majority of young people favor cathal and independence the just mean that the in the perilous movement and carefully just basically has to keep calm and wait for demographics and age to carry them forward. i don't know because you know things
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change and preferences my might change and the response of the spanish government may change although i doubt it but yes in a way i would put it in a slightly different way that perhaps some things were done about how the generation earlier so that in ten years the majority of people in favor of independence would be big enough to to win the terminations referendum and that's what i don't understand about the spanish government because if i were me i would go for a referendum now. when things are kind of even because if you wait and you use all these repressive strategies that they are using. you may end up losing completely. for tell the future but what i can for is that you're going to be presented with the alexander and quit the drillers whisk in the career of only
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scotch whisky nothing else works and passed your course it will be only a scratch is the only one that i'd like for us. now the online media has played a crucial role and the catalan debate i speak now to me said after everything chief of the web i don't like newspaper that has a claim to be the oldest online newspaper in the whole of europe congratulations on your long gave a t. of your thank you we keep living still twenty three years now so what bigger rule has the social media and online media plead in the reporting of events and obviously campaigning events and catalunya i think that that's a trend all over the world but in catalonia it's a very specific that the big mass media in catalonia the paper newspapers the spanish t.v. channels cetera they all support the unity of spain they don't support him for
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independence drive even they are strongly against the independence drive so the simulation of the message came more from online media from the social media it played a major role but what is the basis of the catalonian national feeling is the country that way it's a country that always has been fighting for freedom individual freedom collective freedom not only freedom but for instance every time a spain has been on that i think that a ship the most strong people fighting for freedom even spain where the car it's a very open society that has been always thinking of himself as a nation. i have in the dried to that every nation have to sell their permission for decades after the franco. there the year was to help spain to become a mother country but all of the sudden on twenty ten when the spanish
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constitutional court broke the agreement so you would regard that as a seminal moment a watershed moment after the berlin the spanish constitutional court it reverts to agreement on the statute of a corner autonomy which had already been passed in the referendum by the people of castle it that's absolutely the beginning of everything because there were sort of a pact the so-called two peace pact. because i want to have their turn at me and big cut all i can decide but spain keep a key which is everything decided think of only a must go to the spanish government voted. but then cut army or have their own p. also which is that everything voted in the spanish parliament mass come back to get the money and be voted in of it and them so it was a good pact you have both sides have a way to prevent major problems what happens with the constitutional court and
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breaking the pact was the beginning of of all the whole situation we have now because of people say ok so we this is not a further agreement as it was clear to pieces so the political reaction to that was that the change the balance of opinion muscle catalunya which previously had been a force for autonomy but only a minority for the penders then became a much more balanced situation between the independents supporters and those who are still for the union with spain absolutely but i think that was not the only thing at the center of the movement to start with the graph of the moment and it was very important the so-called popular referendum that was self organize. as president of this in every little town there were i think seven hundred something like these referendums which of course what artificial turf and arms but that showed the people that they have the power so they can decide they can organize
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themselves they can build something and that was a direct confrontation with the regime that was born in the spain after the franco dictatorship that is a very eccentric but human in terms of democracy in europe because it it prevents very much the people having power but we'll take it to the first of the towboat woodley's dramatic events of the organizer for the end of the the violence by the state police and to love the world watching what they vent so where were you when all this was going on how were you reporting it while we were. reporting that the first moment of remember was almost eleven in the morning some nine in the morning sorry when the ballot boxes were open police went to the president was among the electoral college and the whole country saw the police breaking the glasses
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from the of the building so much violence that we all thought this is impossible that cannot happen that very difficult in order to. having information that you must know with decent real or not checking the information checking with the sources what really very difficult time i remember for instance we were there the first one saying that there were not elections but the independent will be proclaimed two days before the promotion of independence and for fifty minutes northern media confirmed that that again was true but these fifteen minutes were at a good issue for me i was that you know my god you were. that's the end but we were right but the who wrong with the end it's a very difficult moment for journalism but it's fantastic it's i think it's a privilege it's the first draft of history of the year good position to forecast
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if you will be going that i mean is that the events of last october as big a watershed as the rejection of the of the constitutional agreement at twenty ten well i think that what happened on the october the first more political question was the sentimental affair this is the end for a four part of the cut on this is the end this is a political problem and the only solution to this problem must be political and that as they doesn't want to accept that there is no solution i think we will see again. very hot beautiful time starting with september october especially if the. spain tried to send to court the political prisoners asking c.t.'s for that if that happens i think the drive for the republican independence will be again on the table for the second time in less than one year the baby within the political
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discourse of all sides and cathal of the movie something of an answer to this absolutely i think you can follow me is very difficult today. to create a fake extremely difficult because there is so much people involved that on any of structure there is so much that are available that is so much people watching all the sites of the story that it is much less difficult to have this debate on free nielsen said it is there are thing needs of course but it is not so easy a lot of that. but often a real we have a lot of real me ups this time thank you so much for the for the interview i have a quick the. scott's covered for loving cup so this was given the question possible and all your remember journalistic colleagues tried to sell over a song for her that's the thank you so much for them. in the free programs in the
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c.d.'s we learned a good deal about the catalan constitutional crisis first the dialogue has now started between the two new governments one in barcelona and one in madrid president laid out his ideas for a break through negotiations but it would be foolish to assume that this is imminent second that the cutline dispute which began as an economic argument has moved on to other even more fundamental issues such as legality democracy and nationhood and finally to see that catalan attitudes to themselves and to the future have been evolving with events such as the rejection by the spanish constitutional court of the settlement of two thousand and ten the violence of last october i most recently the imprisonment and effective exile of many independents leaders a decade ago most cats one saw the future in spain now the position is delicately balanced most fascinating of all was a suggestion that given the demographics of support for independence with young
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people overwhelmingly in favor the should policy or the spanish government might be to usher any referendum forward and equally that actual policy of the catalan movement might be to delay until they have a more comfortable majority that would be a total reversal of the current position and is unlikely to happen what is more certain is this. if one key test of nationhood is a belief in self-determination then catalonia passes that standard by overwhelming majority catalans want the right to decide even if they're divided on what the decision should be it all makes for everything political battle with the endgame uncertain what is certain is that catalonia will stay a focus of both european and world attention and so from alex and the team in catalonia and for me here in the studio it's good bye for now thanks.
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