turn to the left or right now we're mirroring the great depression in one anyway ok but what happened after that was f.d.r. ok ok let me go to steve here because i mean again it took you know i mean ron you've been on this program before and we've discussed this you know left in progressive in the establishment and all that that's fine but steve you know every since two thousand and ten the democrats have lost over and over and over again because i keep running on the same message over and over again and one can make the argument that trump appeal to the people that filled the disaffected i mean a lot of white men a lot of white people in general voted in two thousand and sixteen because they finally found a candidate that that they could they could see that would consider their concerns ok so i mean you know a lot has been said here but i mean i do think that this is a lot about insurgency and it's all about bernie sanders i think that's going to be the most important event remember not trouble is elected but what was done to bernie go ahead steve well first of all let's also point out that donald trump got

the higher percentage of hispanics of voting for him and did mitt romney or john mccain which i think is something that goes overlooked and really should look the reason why the donors don't want the you know the socialist democrats influence and and policies and platforms it's because they can't win i mean that's why someone like me is begging you and begging the democrats to. let us have lower know where you stand keep. a lid on cocoa know a little first of all it's a very very very small percentage of people voted and she happens to live in a district where where the message appeals but even she isn't honest when she is pressed on what she she believes as a democratic socialist she says oh i don't think we should have labels i don't like if that if the word got out that she was for abolishing prisons abolishing prisons . abolishing capitalism is not good for anything i didn't say that we are losing

without war profit prison industry those are two completely irrelevant it's a policy there isn't simply different things if you want to talk about what's going on or rather have a long conversation like that and how it's actually take that further to haul it lee different thanks. guys while i write for the program what they think about where the program i said one thing equal time for everyone i've been limited to turn to you. the g.o.p. should love these democratic socialists because it's the fight it's the bite in the democratic party and you can tell from the very top they're scared of these people go ahead i would yeah i would say to the democrats that you know it's ok to have that wing of the party i mean the republicans had the tea party wing and but but it does make your candidate an electable in certain places now if they had the democratic party runs more conservative candidates in these places they may have

a better chance of winning but i'm sure the party apparatus doesn't really care for a lot of this talk about. you know free college education for everybody medicare for all because these are very expensive programs and nobody is figured out in the democratic party or anywhere else how to pay for these but of course you know the republicans have done this with their tax cuts that's what they do to get a lack of good ok i mean well and i mean anything in fact let me jump in instead of the increase and i have to get in and we have to go to a hard break after a short break we'll continue our discussion of the democratic socialism state with our.

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community for. the people who was on. our. own on that yeah. welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing democratic socialism. ok let me go back to ron here and. again i want to stress the issue of identity politics because when i look at some of the things i mean democratic socialists of america i mean i've been around for a while ok and i looked at some of their older literature and you're spot on they looked at more and working people getting a fair shake that's fine but what i see now is this infusion of identity politics

and i think that you know it's i can say pretty confidently given the election results over the last two years that doesn't work it doesn't work for the democratic party but they they don't you know that when you talk about. ends gender toilets and stuff like that it turns off the heartland i'm from the heartland this is something that people they want the factories the star opening up again they want their wages to go up and then you have these things you know this political correctness and and these pronouns all this nonsense and i don't have any patience for it because it doesn't advance my life or the people around me how do you address that ron well there is a world of difference between exploiting identity politics for just political jargon nonsense and addressing issues affecting different communities i would argue that the d.s.a. is doing the latter who's doing the former i would say that's what the democratic establishment is doing so so i think i lot of the issues with identity politics as

in using it for wrong and dishonest means i think that's something the democratic establishment is doing and there is again there's a world of difference between them and the d.s.a. and movements like it the democratic establishment they're the ones that like to point their fingers at people less powerful than them and say oh you didn't support hillary clinton well clearly your a sexist you're not a big fan of harris well you're a sexist and a racist that's where identity politics yeah floats in dishonest way and there's a world of difference between that and addressing issues of different communities one is a good thing one not so much well steve would probably wrong just proved our point i mean this identity politics that it is it's a dragon that eats its own tail so obviously trump supporters are sexist and homophobic but it within the democratic party if you didn't support hillary then you're just as bad as the trump people i mean this is insanity. right it's

a way hillary will tell you if you're a woman you listen and you didn't vote for her because you were listening to your boss and your husband and your boyfriend and you're not strong enough to stick up for your own beliefs you were told who to vote for don't forget half the country is a basket full of deplorable zx and that's the mainstream democratic party look again i can't say this enough when you look at a free this free that. by the way let's look to latin american countries let's look at venezuela what's the inflation rate there forty thousand percent i mean please i beg i beg the democratic party adopt the the leftist ideals here adopt the platform see adopt the ideas here you'll never win another election never it's impossible in this country that and the fact that they don't see that really calls into question what they are what their goal is because they're not dumb they're not stupid people they know they can't win generalized elections and the good point made by ron

earlier. democrats are running conservatives conservative democrats who are antipolo c. and to appoint pro trump on issues to win districts and you're talking about nationalizing democratic socialism if it doesn't make any sense well cayman how do you explain bernie sanders then gudrun how do you explain bernie sanders and i mean peter you even said yourself bernie sanders is the biggest story here yeah how do you guys if you think that it can't win and i mean we don't disagree on the corruption of the democratic establishment that's one thing where all of us will be in agreement but how do you explain bernie sanders a guy who was an open socialist who came out of nowhere and almost pretty much caused a grassroots revolution probably would of had the establishment not cheated him is applauded in the heartland with a true populist message how do you explain bernie sanders if you entertain the the democratic socialism can't win steve if you want to play. because bernie sanders

yeah because bernie sanders is a polished socialist he doesn't talk about any of the other issues all it talks about is income inequality it's unfair unfair unfair he doesn't get into specifics it is talk about the jail's he doesn't talk about the the groups that you talk about transgender etc the focus is on one message and one message only which resonates with a certain percentage of the population a rather large percentage perhaps but when push comes to shove if you want to run as a democratic socialist or a socialist and you have to own the other policies that go with it and that will never fly ok i let me get i've been in washington i mean is is is this a pivot. transformational moment because you know in many ways you could see the trump is the same thing for the g.o.p. because a lot of the purists in the g.o.p. still hate trump ok and and also what we have here in the democratic party you know

we there is a huge split i mean i think all of us would agree that income inequality is a big problem in that it's the single most important issue that can divide a society we can always have these other issues on the side income inequality is dangerous here ivan eland is the democratic party really being able to address that issue well i think we have to i think both parties. have noticed the income inequality even some conservatives have started talking about it but the problem is the parties differ on the cars of course the cars to the democrats or the democratic socialists are you know big corporations and. you know pry excessive profits for corporations and not giving it back to the worker for the conservatives it's that the the very very opposite it's that the system has become so bogged down with regulations and other things and big

government that the market is not allowed. to you know all the regulations create essentially oligopolies and that sort of thing and that that causes incoming inequality so it just depends on which side of the fence you're on politically ok ok you know ron i mean one of the it was brought up to me here is that you know this mantra you know with free there's free education free welfare free. education for everyone and they still want to have an open borders i so i want to harp on the open borders thing is i mean this is been amplified over the last few months here i mean if you want to have a big welfare state a super welfare state don't you think you should have a border to make sure the rest of the world doesn't take advantage of it i mean the people on the inside the burger to say whoa whoa we want this for ourselves because we're paying for it ok so the open borders argument kind of deflates unless you

want cheap labor go ahead ron. well i mean again the vice and open borders are two different things it did sue no one is calling for just complete no nothing whatsoever but where everyone is calling for reasonable border security at least to the extent that i see it what people are against is the brutality of ice secondly it's not free stuff quote unquote what it is is a reallocation of resources we spend more on bombs in the military than pretty much the next thirteen countries combined just about we have more than enough resources in this country to have a single payer health care nonprofit single payer health care which you know the community would pay for it's not free stuff it's a reallocation of resources of what we're already paying we already pay a higher g.d.p. for health care than most other countries and we get less because of a broken for profit system same with education we could reallocate our resources to have to have two weeks in free college in this country we choose not to same with

a green new deal or an infrastructure program we have the resources to do all this stuff but we don't allocate it that way instead we just give bonus bomb money to the trump administration or whoever's in power ok omid do the same stuff steve you know i education was mentioned then that's another raw point for me i think that all it all government expenditure is an edge and almost an all except for maybe preschool and kindergarten should be cut because all they do is teach an ideology this nonsense postmarks is post structuralism and it really brings up people into the world that can't do anything except a yell and scream about. a perceived victimhood ok i mean i would say in the university of california system for a long time and they don't teach you much they distich you to be angry and teach you to be a victim go ahead steve. well well look at what the attorney general sessions said

the other day talking about the universities calling some of them out by name that you know they're raising a bunch of snowflakes they have safe rooms in quiet rooms in places you could run to and you can't offend people perceived offenses and blah blah blah the whole thing is becoming a total joke look again all this talk of free stuff at least i think ron acknowledge it's not free everybody pays for it and it is a reallocation of funds i mean that so to say that ice is brutal is insane to say that without ice you're not you not advocating open borders is insane the public is already the polls show they didn't we we didn't really. know what limitations. there was no i don't think we did but they were the world i'd like to know who you would keep out i'd like to know who you would keep out on the what circumstances i dare you to name what the circumstances would be and who you would keep out look the public is again i have a problem of one note pony today because the public would never go for these radical leftist ideals proposals policies so plays somehow let your

candidates run on these policies and you will suffer worse defeats then you did under obama whose candidates all throughout the country state local government leverage level got slaughtered in the elections now that you lost over a thousand canned seats overall in the nation so you want to make it two thousand adopt these policies ok i'm the new i mean obama the guy who ran on a center left platform and won twice didn't deliver on it by the way but yeah but yeah but ronnie didn't have didn't have coattails ok and that's undeniable ok ivan you know what we've. run in. concert here what we've seen on this program is not really a policy difference it's a cultural difference and i think that's what the election showed and i and then unfortunately this cultural the vision people are not talking to each other we did a pretty good job in this program last thirty seconds go do you have anyone in washington well i would just say i think you know we need to stop the stereotypic

yelling and talk about the issues when we talk about all these expensive programs cutting the defense budget the numbers just don't add up i'm for all for cutting the defense budget naf but it's not going to pay for single payer health care or a university education for everybody we're twenty one trillion dollars in debt we've got one hundred trillion dollars in deficit and i think both parties stone address the facts ok gentlemen all i can say is to be continued that's all the time we have many thanks and i guess in washington new york and in-laws. sanjay and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.c.c. a next time and remember.

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