and saddam hussein made it out of whole cloth whether colin powell was deceived as he claims he was or whether re he was smart enough to realize what was going on that's an open question but it was right from torture and it was the case with the torture works you get people to say what were you want them to say it's the only time it works and it only works with inaccurate information. you were of course at the cia under many presidents i wondered what you thought or made of the fact that britain's new home secretary sajid javid says that secret lists of people from m i five should be circulated in civic society to intervene on people to combat everything from isis to russia what he would do you think of that idea of secret lists secret lists you know what i remember of secret lists or one of the nazis came into the netherlands for example and each mayor had a secret list in those days it was on paper ok the names of all the citizens

including their religion ok now the mayor's with some conscience destroyed those lists before the nazis get a hold of them the ones that wanted accommodate they said oh yeah well here they are the jewish people right here and those people are taken off immediately to auschwitz and other concentration camps with that's what you get from secret lists those who are bad enough on paper on computer they're really mischievous another proposal he has it's been reported here is the first time this would be able to be done at airports in britain and all ports people who from the security services immigration officers would be able to question people who have arrived who they suspect osp eyes not being terrorists but for being spies what do you make of that initiative well this is part and parcel of this trick pony and overreaction to. terrorist events now what you're going to do. it's just harass the general public

to the point where actual sensible regulations are completely discredited and disregarded it's quite amazing how people have lost all sense of proportion because of nine eleven because of seven seven because of terrorists acts and no one asks why is it always that that they do these things or do they come out of the womb shouting i hate great britain i hate america no it's not that at all look to the causes of the terrorism that's a much cheaper way to stop it and just finally pictures were beamed around the world of you being injured that you know as bulls hearing she says she won't torture people as boss of the cia what sort of would you say would be a chill the jewel sent through nato counterparts in secret agencies here in europe now that she's in langley she was nominated by the president united states donald

trump who says torture is wonderful torture works i'm going to do waterboarding and worse now. would trump have picked a person who would say oh no our number do that anymore are you able did that didn't work when i got there give me a break as for me you know there comes a time we have to take a stand ok if you can stick can't take a stand against torture what can you take a stand against i follow a fellow from actually from the west bank from bethlehem is name is isa an arabic. stood up against the authorities and he was tortured and i think that actually they killed him at least i escaped that so for rima go and thank you after the break. how has the un's under-secretary general chachi federal or followed up his bestselling chronicle of mass murder in india by the british empire only small coming up about two of going underground.

financial. aid i'm on. the flight. i suppose some advice from the future the trucker guys are. welcome back for the top diplomat and internationally one of india's most prominent politicians shall see through or has been in the news of the charges surrounding the death of his wife the full statement from his lawyers can be found on our website but we can't talk to him about an ongoing court case the former united nations under-secretary general however can talk about his new book why i am

a hindu and he joins me now especially thanks for coming back on the great american and american writing del said the whole decline of the west can be attributed to the failure of pantheism or the loss of pantheism but you say in the new book that the hindu ism can mean no god after all so what is the end of us hindus was we really of approaching our understanding of the cosmos which doesn't actually require us to believe in god in the personalized anthropomorphic sense in fact for a thousand years the hindu idea of god was rather like the muslim idea that is that god cannot be given a shame a form of gender shape a bigger problem cannot be touched see nude imagine could be an idea could be a spark could be a puff of air we don't know what got spread so a god without qualities is what the hindus worshiped but they realized that in fact ordinary people needed more than that they needed something they could look to they they needed for example in the basic year

a lot of nature worship happened people worship trees and rivers and fire for example so they said no we better have an idea of god. actually do they err by the way the big sages the rashid's the the thinkers and writers i mean you're talking about a religion. about a thousand years into its existence of four thousand years so that's what i'm talking about and then came up with the idea of god in a more familiar sense issue or a big one but they said since no one really knows what god looks like let's allow people to imagine god as they want and so there are three hundred thirty three million names of god with lots of forms you want to imagine god as a potbellied gentleman with an elephant's head going to show you men that's the image behind us we started the show you want imagine god as an eight armed woman riding a tiger you may do so as well but they're not all world they're all merely different manifestations because the human imagination is so limited that we need to think of

a god that we can worship strictly speaking god in hindu ism is brahman is this a spirit that suffuses the cosmos there is everywhere and every one of us is united by the same soul the ottoman which is in you which is in me which is in your pet dog which is which is in every living creature and each of each of us find our seven a position where in western religions for example or the abrahamic faiths the body has a soul in hinduism the soul has a body the soul exists it adopts your body or mind for a finite period of time then it discards our bodies and moves on the ultimate goal of the soul is to be able to move into god into brahman and that his his is what we consider salvation in the philosophy of course what most critics and

people who praise the book have been talking about and that is. the tolerant version of hindu ism you are given it versus obviously what has been seen as intolerance associated with the current indian government. you you say that hindu ism clearly accepts the possibility that abrahamic religions ups are all fine judaism christianity and islam so weak on the perhaps the greatest modern hindu preacher who in the late one nine hundred centuries made a very famous speech in chicago to the world parliament of religions said the just as all sorts of rivers flow in different parts crooked and straight into the same sea so also always of worship lead to the same god he said that i'm proud to speak of a feat that has taught the world not just tolerance but acceptance and so profoundly important idea because tolerance we are taught is a virtue but it's ultimately rather patronizing it says tolerance says i have the truth you are in error but i will make none i'm mostly indulge you in your right to

be wrong very different except where is except and says much for it says actually i believe i have the truth you believe you have the truth i will respect your truth please respect my truth and by that logic hindu ism is willing to see the merit in every way of worship what it doesn't accept is the clip of any other faith to be exclusively right and it doesn't make any such claim itself hinduism has no equivalent of saying there's only one way of reaching god or salvation it says always are equally valid ok what about what about this criticism of hindu ism that it it is based around the cost class system and oh you tackle the subject even here the very idea of progress is there is hurt somehow by this version of universal acceptance well the thing is as far as the caste system is concerned many good hindus like myself i'd like to think devout in the us can find plenty of

justification for. rejecting caste altogether for saying that this is not it may be part of a social construct of the way it has evolved in society as practiced in india but it's not intrinsic to the faith and i can assure you as i've done in the book scriptural examples anecdotes from history parables from our our great old epics and other poor honor's which see that you should not pay attention to superficial external distinctions such as caste hierarchy but it's true that many hindus still practice it and particularly when it comes to discrimination against people because of their belonging to supposedly lower caste that is actually illegal in india it's against the constitution where we have an affirmative action program for the so called carson tribes from the lowest street of society the most the most unfortunate members of our society but discrimination prohibiting people entry into temples for example on the grounds of their cost that's illegal an action can be

taken against you if you practice caste and that's what some would argue it is of a scale of say racism in the united states is the only difference is where is reeses visible castors not you can look at somebody and see that i was new yorkers to look at somebody else and say he's up for the fact is that that's why cost is eroding with urbanization you've no idea of the cost you're of the person you're rubbing shoulders with on the bus and with affirmative action that's come a democracy you may be an upper caste person go to an office and take orders from a lower caste woman that's life going too far to say and i know you touch upon this in the book and your previous book that the british entrenched the existing india car system has a way of organizing in people under colonialism well look the question of organizing the indian people who are going to do this i think it them to be good i'm able to do but you're right categorize control classify this was important to

them. it's only the map the census the museum were all instruments of colonial domination and showed it and they loved him to his and we will use this really can use exactly so they actually did take we had castle we don't have a car system in the rigid hierarchical ossified sense that it became under colonialism so are you against party politicization of religion generally whether it be political islam or political hinduism that's what i'm against identity politics generally whether you want to keep up political fervor mobilize voters on the basis of cost of creed of religion i think identity is the least interesting way to organize political contention we should have this very powerful about ideas we should have arguments about ideology we should be have arguments about economics who's going to do most to give us a better life who's going to improve the education system who's going to defend our borders better those are legitimate grounds for argument but to say vote for me

because i'm hindu or for me because we have the same caste i know it happens but doesn't mean i need to like it i don't and. so basically to tie him to religion is organized to tie him to religion is organized could be under any political system whether it be capitalism feudalism or communism it doesn't matter it or any of it it should matter in fact the point is precisely that's true of any society on earth that the wind which you organize your soul should be distinct from hindu ism in any case could be fascist it could exist under fascism yeah but hinduism you see actually seized religion as an intensely personal matter my father would pray every morning very development never obliged me once to join him the idea is that it's everything about religion is between you and your maker or whatever image of form of your me could you wish to worship or not that amount of choice is intrinsic to hindus so that kind of hammer all of that in into some sort of narrow street jacket of uniformity that's not something that's truly hindu or tall and that's where the

political movement called hindutva. which is the ideology of the of the ruling party today and those forces supporting it that dismays me a great deal because in fact you can take such a vast capacious accepting diverse all encompassing religion and reduce it to the team identity of the british football hooligan which is what frankly some of the goons who are the fellow travellers of the into the movement today are doing some studies say that communal violence is up thirty percent and render modi do you see any signs of optimism in recent months lessening of this identification of hindu ism. and the hindutva movement central tenets with the ruling of india political the problem unfortunately is that communal and identity politics seems to get turned on and off when it suits those in power when the economics is doing well they'll talk about that when the government's doing badly they'll turn up the

volume as it were of the common a loudspeaker in order to polarize voters on the grounds of religion so i can't be complacent or even optimistic the battle stop happening those who are in power today started off very much on the hindutva bandwagon mr modi won the last election with a significant upper layer as it were of economics of saying i will permit willems word or absolutely but but but it's also true that the economics has not been well managed and as a result the country is not as well off as the dreams mr moody and his colleagues manage to sell to the voters the big risk therefore is it may turn around and once again whip up communal sentiment in order to compensate for the deficiencies of their economic performance in what is going well we invite the indian ambassador on to. give a challenge that thank you very much as you are thank you i should talk. about

it for one of your favorite shows from this season will continue to show your favorite episodes and the way back for season one wins if there's a template deal that comes about by a social media user. in the. single even if this is. going to be. easy it's. not a lot of anything about tom and i skid but i'm about the same as art when i was up the money into. making money unless my

own. fates are the. thanks so. much indeed. for the good people that was on the. honest i don't mean.

most. of us but those. in the thought of getting. well i think with you your comment that kitty yeah my thought aloud but let me just gotta go you. know even. willing to do not enough it's really. evil as a levels from somewhere you know. i came back to the community of. people we are based on and on the road look ask me all you got

is all bible going towards him. for a while i was a. little like. say. she's going to receive money telling me it was all about. what's good. i know we're going to this. letter was also i'm not touching in my life. i seem on have to die.

of old story. it's praised this school was that raging stalk people demanding nazis get off the streets with just weeks to go before a general election. polls in brazil to the former leader who there's a silver for a return to the presidency despite him being in jail and the way the news channel from russia collusion stories again hitting the headlines t.v. shows and i caught in the crosshairs.

of the welcome it's ten pm here in moscow you're watching r.t. international now with a general election on the horizon in sweden the battle for power has moved to the streets earlier today a party called the nordic resistance movement held a rally and was met with an opposing crowd objecting to quote the nazis marching in central stalker the leader of the movement has been open in his praise for hitler as written reports. i was. we are in central stockholm right now in sweden at the gathering of nordic resistance movement. nordic organization but here in sweden it's also a political party and they are running for the upcoming elections here in the country and the sad that this gathering is

a chance for them to make their message heard our message. that we want to take back to counter from the traitors in the parliaments. for two percent of. europeans for two percent it's already too late for just stopped immigration we must take them back the politicians within the government today they are traitors towards our people because among many other films they. open our borders sign for. for a few millions of foreign jerseys and you know. hold your long wrong. we will become a minority in our own don't forget that even longer on that we will cease to exist as a people just meters away from where nordic resistance movement is gathered there around there is another gather ranko. you can see there are just great new citizens who came here to challenge to. protest. this shouting right now no not

just on our streets. oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh. why did you gather here today. because we are against this we're against the masses man racism and so. we think this is really really awful this is happening in stockholm now they are about in a closed society but they take the seans in an open society. quite incredible i just had a chance to speak to the leader of the nordic reasons movement and he told us that he'd larry did a great thing for german people. there was definitely a great a very very good person for the german people definitely. here the free germany it's disgusting and he i i would say that i'm almost lacking words cannot be legal

to say that that to close a good guy i mean that must be cause for the police to intervene or to do that took ninety five percent of my family gas and blood and so we go in palm until elections in two weeks a hard time for any country and as they say here everybody wants to be on the streets these days to make their voice heard preproduction and r.t. from stockholm sweden in. and as mentioned in that report another rally was held today a march by workers unions and to find out more to go to him or if an option is twitter feed and also for updates to you from sweden ahead of the general election. but it's not only protests that have shaken sweden of late a string of recent arson attacks rocked the country with authorities describing them as organized and prepared police say up to one hundred cars were damaged or destroyed or early this month most of them in sweden second biggest city of gothenburg. thank.

you. thank. your police have so far arrested three suspects although any motive behind the attack is are known some media reports and politicians have shifted the blame to the right wing social democrat party claiming that such an incident would benefit the party's anti immigration stance. meanwhile brazil's presidential election is about a month away but the current poll favorite does face a major hurdle that's because lula's the silver the former president is currently in jail but he has more. brazil's presidential election is looming and

the latest polls the show one clear favorite and he is a familiar face lula da silva is compan has all the regular features rallies full of adoring supporters was merchandise branding his name and the must have come pain added set to traumatic means ik. what he's going to have. to discuss. if you think subjugates but here's the twist mr silva is currently serving a twelve year sentence for corruption still that hasn't stopped his ringing political aspirations and his party registered him for the race days before his imprisonment the law told r.t. about his intentions will but do you do your friends at my party wants me to run for president they support my candidacy and i'm ready to do it and win the election

. before handing himself over to police in april thousands of the former president's supporters formed a human shield around the building he was and claiming the charges were politically motivated he was convicted of trading fee first with a construction company in exchange for the promise of a beachfront apartment a former metal worker himself lula became a hero of the working class as the economy soared during his eight years at the helm finishing back in twenty eleven. although for sound has become associated with the barrage of political scandals that have hit brazil corruption was rampant all over people in the workers' party were corrupt that used again very flimsy trumped up charges of being corrupt but it was the entire political system so yes the population obviously going to go. in power when

there is rampant corruption but the corruption was all the political parties and looking at his present sounds busy visiting schedule taking his plans seriously just this week he was reported to be visited by the had of brazil's most powerful trade union and his fice presidential running mate brazil's thirty fifth president currently occupies a fourteen square meter room and is reportedly allowed to wear his own cloth saying his sad to have his own t.v. and attract mail where he jocks for miles daily still it's a long shot even flew out convicted felons are banned from running for office and electoral court is expected to declare him in alledge of zero in coming weeks lou is not going to be able to run what he's trying to do is to increase as much as possible support for the workers' party and then so he wants to keep that alive his candidacy is alive for as long as possible and then at the last minute or when his

no longer possible transfer all of that support that he is building up currently so his vice presidential running mate running mate which is his favored candidate to replace him if he can't run and again that fernando who was a the mayor of san pablo and is not popular at all while things look unpredictable now one thing a certain election season and brazil hasn't senate sliced twists just yet and in a question our team. well the ex president's lawyers told us that merely to silver is it ching to get back on the campaign trail it is hard of course in prison. during the weekends for instance easy nice elation because there's no contact even with any of his lawyers he's not allowed to have contact with his family and they're he's only allowed. visitation sprue week. friends it is hard but he's writing a lot he's sending directions in writing of course it is hard because he's not he's

doesn't have access to interviews he's not able to answer any of the exemptions that other candidates may make against him is not able to defend himself to tour the country which is what he really desires to be with the people and to explain his age and he's you know new ideas of for the future of the country. trump russia collusion stories are again gathering momentum but now even a u.s. t.v. channel is under fire amid speculation it is links the kremlin to hawkins looks at the claims we've all heard about trump russian election collusion you know the great scam that brought the u.s. president to power who zation of collusion collude possibly smells a whole lot like collusion there was ample evidence of collusion where is the coalition you know they're still looking for a coalition where is the girl marjorie finds a counselor.