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efforts to abolish. the welcome to. south for the horrific consequence of a nuclear blast and global struggle to abolish the nuclear weapons altogether will it succeed to him. governor of japan's hiroshima prefatory. seventy three years off to the world the devastating effects of nuclear weapons the global nuclear arsenal is growing with warheads ready to civilization off the planet comes humanity afford to rely on steel mutually assured destruction to keep

peace is the drive to get rid of nuclear weapons realistic and all the listings of hiroshima remembered well you know today. burning exactly are really great to have you on our program welcome to thank you very much so. lots of relevant issues to discuss with you. so far your country is the only country that has suffered from the use of the nuclear weapons so it is understandable why japanese people are so adamant on abolishing nuclear arms. but you say that those advocating nuclear disarmament are realistic. you really think so i mean how realistic because nuclear states including your biggest partner united states opposed that well i say. realistic because. or argument or. you know the goal for

abolishment of nuclear weapons is based on the reality of what happens to beings. it's use when it's actually used so we know the reality of the use of it and sometimes. you know deterrence. strategy they're all discussed on paper you know there's certain assumptions there's certain assumptions. this number if we have this number you know two. actions and. you know other too. but. mostly it's perception idea based. but no standing there real are you talking about those who are actually supporters of the terror threat i

mean we didn't have a war for the last seventy years thanks to terrance you don't think that's reason enough to think that that's a good thing you know well deterrence no in this war no having a war or no one having a large number of casualty is not necessarily just because. u.s. and russia were you know as the country has. nuclear weapons there are so many other factors that. deter the war. well i'm talking about this. you know. nuclear deterrence in deterrence is something that's probably necessary. but i'm talking about nuclear deterrence the added value of nuclear deterrence. you know too

conventional deterrence in other deter. so all of this fact that it should never ever take place because it's so horrid that no one would ever want to have that ever happen again but is based on the assumption that there is no mistake there is no misjudgment there is no accident no there are a lot of assumptions that current. you know deterrence is based on. historically actually it's been proven wrong you know there has been many accidents. many misjudgments almost lead to. nuclear war which is really risky situation so this nuclear powers that the global powers at this point they're all very wary of each other that's why they don't really want to give up their nukes how do you see this technically happening

if it were ever to happen like they all should give it up at the same time. well of course the process need to be carefully designed and i don't think it's going to happen tonight that overnight. so what we need. to seriously look into. then of course the situation is very different in. deterrence against what you know already did turn against him where. he's a very important question and you have to. you know dig into details and try to come up with the process in each situation to reduce nuclear weapons in a fun way eliminate him you have said it yourself as do. they all have their reasons and yet nuclear weapons are only

a manifestation of global political problems that each country has can you really sickly get rid of the nuclear weapons without addressing those problems because you know they're intertwined together i mean pakistan is afraid of a bigger india and doesn't want to be the next to say israel is surrounded by hostile arab states so unless you address those political problems you can't really talk about getting rid of nukes well no i don't think so. first you know deterrence is nuclear deterrence is different from deterrence so we're talking about nuclear deterrence and the added value of nuclear deterrence and if you carefully look into each. you know situation. we should be able to find new equilibrium. you know strategy extract

stability is equilibrium in game theory. and there is a multiple. possible multiple equilibrium usually and it's based on conditions or assumptions. and. if we could find the way to move that you know equilibrium to other position which is less costly or namely you know equilibrium with a nuclear weapon. much more you can go. probably this risk so what i'm saying is why. not we just say all because we have this conflict. having nuclear weapon is something. that you've taken granted taken us granted but

this look forwards. whether you know their ways to move to leave them to a new one you know and of course i don't say it's easy. and there are some measures probably. multiple party. needs to agree upon. but i don't think you've seen possible we just have to make that therefore stop what do you think of the nuclear weapons ban treaty adopted by the nations can it ever go beyond declaring intent and actually have an actual impact but it's true that nuclear weapons countries must be involved in the process otherwise i mean it's only the nuclear weapon countries that can reduce or. eliminate nuclear weapons so

finally they have to be involved and it's you know about the process again you know how we invoke the nuclear weapon states so you have this in this. global peace plan in motion and i looked at it and i have to say that i admired the idea that. your devotion to it. do you have my doubts about how to promote what you stand for i mean conferences and rock concerts you know i cover politics a lot of wars a lot and no peace doesn't come through concerts and conferences so. how do you make sure that you can impact through this program well you should be aware though sometimes peace comes through music concerts too that i agree so you know those activities. you know there's some activity you start targeting public you

know like increasing public awareness or some of the d.v.d.'s are targeted more experts. you know like round table talk we have been here a few months. talk among experts and polish policy makers. about what we can do so you know. we think. the final goal of course is to eliminate nuclear weapons but. who. needs it. is actually the leader of the new good working country in the structure that supports the leader. like the bureaucracy in the expert system. and also the public who has the basic foundation for the

system so we are trying to. find a way to reach in each you know how you know how effective each action is we have to try many things which is you know this is very complicated and very significant issue so it doesn't happen. again you know. so we're trying to do. whatever we can in a find more effective way. to achieve our goal we're going to take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to governor you jackie will discuss more who is right there is behind the data as policy for those who want to stay with us.

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and we're back with governor and governor so there are some serious steps towards nuclear a militia going on in your neighboring north korea out i wonder what you think about that because it has announced a suspension of nuclear missile ballistic testing shutting down a nuclear test site. this is widely seen as a positive step towards nuclear zation do you think kim jong un is actually not going to make any nuclear tests anymore well we have a conclusion yet we have to see you know we have to see the. since. you know being. the tree so many times. through the past negotiations. so what's important is. you know it's been one of the word is used.

reversible. how. reversible you know how to prove it and you know of course. check it. very important issues but we need to do that to. actually be most korea nuclear so you have an arsonist south korea's that are meeting right now and the talks between america and north korea are being set up and all of the partners south korea north korea south korea america japan they're saying that the ultimate goal is to see completely denuclearized north korea but a logical question is why would give up his nuclear arsenal i mean why would all of a sudden destroy completely something that he's building up for a decade. is exactly why we have to really see actions. i think. you know.

motivations of course. one extending. the current regime and if he believes. having a nuclear. is more beneficial to extending the regime he may hold on to it. if he believes. giving it up. it's more beneficial. for extending their regime i think he will so you know we have to prepare an environment that he believes and. that you know. in a show for him you have a more precise in your opinion what should he be getting. in exchange of giving up then you know what he's saying is security assurance and denuclearization

in you know there might be i mean with security assurance there might be more concrete. requests are required meant conditions like having no. u.s. force in peninsula or something. so i don't know they will come out but you know it's. very difficult. to to predict now you know what conditions he would give up the group and at this point we need to see and also. the timing i will discuss the timing because japan's foreign minister says that north korea should abolish nuclear arms by two thousand and twenty. do you think that's a realistic goal time wise because i mean it took two years of tops to just stop

the iranian nuclear program they didn't even have an actual weapon i mean how can this diplomacy with north korea work faster than with iran. you know whether it's realistic or too fast or. too slow you know i hope you feet by twenty twenty that's very welcome. to the extent. it's possible everyone should make every effort to to to achieve that. you know. i would say there's no too early for that so. i don't know if it's you go or not but at least you could try so like i mentioned south. america are going to sit down and talk to north korea as of now japan has made about it to those talks do you think

it should be part of those talks or what can they bring to the table. well. you know. you know a lot of fools in the. entire sitting an entire condition or sitting the entire environment or longer process of you know post agreement to. i don't know a this point. can do but at least you know carefully. you know see a u.s. korea's. movement or actions and think you know. in a given position but. you know the pressure on north

korea on this we actually see put. for actions it's also quite interesting to see what's going to happen to your country's security because japan has been relying on us for protection for decades and now trump is saying its allies in asia pacific should rely more and more on their own resources their own security and then you know we have personally heard the japanese government saying that slowly japan should be expanding its own japanese military do you think it's time to rethink the security concept of japan well you know i don't think the big picture will change will continue to lie as with the united states and of course it will have close relationship with korea. and other. some of the other. countries too. but in that

balance or some roles could be redefined. well for example. you know we. would like to see japan to be a u.s. nuclear nuclear deterrence not the deterrence as a whole but nuclear deterrence. will give a better position in terms of promoting nuclear. nation or nuclear disarmament. and. for example if you look carefully we recently received a report paper from you need year. research institute.

if you go back to the first question. if we look carefully. at the. situation. a nuclear deterrence against north korea is not necessary. you know. that every minute. you know that american nuclear terrorists in a way is a guarantee that no one attacks japan is well now well known though not necessarily because you know for example north korea. their motivation is to. not to be invaded not to be. attacked to destroy the regime. is that you sorry i keep interrupting you but i'll forget to ask you this a you it feels like you don't think the north korea is actually capable of attacking a neighbor they are they are they are capable of attacking neighbor but whether

they will do is a different question you don't think they'll do they sing they use the nukes just to keep the regime in place that's it. feel you know really oppressed. or you know. they're they feel there is immediate. very imminent danger of being attacked but they know that once the use of nuclear weapons that's basically there is seen no. because there would be. there will be five for about and you know there's so much species you don't feel like i just have to go to the question because you didn't quite answer you don't feel like you need american nuclear deterrent because you don't feel like north korea is actually about to attack someone it's more about keeping its regime in tahoe it's not about feeling or you know. it's not about feeling and it's not

me saying this but i'm talking about disunity and people paper. from chris point of view their nuclear deterrence you know what they're deterrent against is a time. from side to destroy the regime. top first you know it's. very certain that their regime will collapse so there are real possibility is there a high probability that north korea is going to attack you know from themselves but what we're talking about at this point. and

if you were. again talking about. is to destroy the north korea's nuclear capability you know they need to use so many nuclear weapons if they use nuclear weapons and is very realistic which is going to cause so much radiation issues not only was in those korea south korea china and russia too they're all. in the original question was that japan always enjoyed america's protection because we don't have the military security system in place to protect your country now that trump is saying that you should rely more on your own resources do you think japan needs an actual army and actual security system in place. i don't say we don't have at all we have a conventional defense system to certain extent and we're partnering

with states my view for example you know. nuclear deterrence against north korea we may have. meant we could be out the nuclear deterrent to change. the roles and the balance right. so there could be. new balance you know new. thinking or a security. system i just have plus two questions sensitive issue these perception. of japan in general so the american president has a visit here ashima but do you see a situation where a japanese prime minister for instance visits not jane because the chinese are saying you know. so anti-nuclear campaign in japan which you are part of of course is sort of a way to whitewash japan's role in world war two not fair because you can't discuss

the bombing without the reasons behind the bombing do you do you see a situation where your prime minister would actually visit nineteen like american president hiroshima you know maybe possible. you know. and of course depends environment and context is. in the core of the context. i think you'd be difficult for a prime minister to go but the party's out of context you know it may be he may be able to go. all right thank you very much for this interview you wish you all the best of a lot and have a nice rest of the same question thank you you thank

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