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a little unwelcome across all things considered i'm peter lavelle to the corporate mainstream media fuel america's cultural wars do they magnify political differences it would seem so how else could it be if the only topic that is discussed and argued over is donald trump or journalist infected with trump arrangement syndrome . cross talking trumped arrangement syndrome i'm joined by my guest rob talbot new york he's a political pundit and journalist contributing to the huffington post also in new york we have lionel he's a legal analyst and a news decoder at lionel media dot com and in plymouth we cross to patrick and he is a journalist and writer and founder of the news website twenty first century wire dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk roles in effect i mean you can jump in anytime you want to let me go to you you're also referred to on this program as fela my first. question is here does the do the corporate mainstream you remember that

program did that do they do the corporate mainstream media. do they contribute to the cultural wars as it is we say is divided and is everything is contentious as it really is or are they dismantle for their own political purposes go ahead lionel yes no yes no and sometimes that corporate first of all correction my dear friend it is not the mainstream media used to be that mainstream media used to be mainstream they're not this is the mainstream media social media different platforms that's mainstream they are and existential fight for their life so within the particular parameters of their working environment yes they mix it up and people are scraping does the rest of the country mainstream heartland mainstream america care no no there you go so ok but ok but rob i mean i get we

all can't lionel's point but they still think of themselves as the mainstream and representing. the population what they really do is represent power particularly on the left i would say but i want to stay with this this magnification here because if you look if you watch c n n n m s n b c and then you watch fox on the same evening you'd think you'd be in parallel universes i mean you really would have a sense that both are in some kind of never never land and having nothing to do with the world outside go ahead rob i was one of the token liberals on fox and at one point i think i made over two hundred. ten appearances on there over the course of a couple of years. there they were pursuing back then i think more of a fair and balanced attitude but now well i was always like the washington generals the team the zone never be in the. harlem globetrotters you know i was going in the

know that five other people were going to beat up on me but i was allowed to voice my opinion i don't really get that sense anymore i sense that the people that they pick to to give a liberal perspective are speaking about outrageous claims and comments and policies and they're taking an extreme so they can say hey look at this kooky liberal he is just like bernie sanders but but we also have a divisive president who has retreated acrimony throughout the country and we have politicians on both sides that are taking more extreme points of view and you're going to have news shows and stations that are going to be representative of those those policies and beliefs and then those that those bases are going to go and watch those particular stations and channels ok lionel doesn't agree but i'm going to go to patrick first here i mean rob brings up a really good point i mean donald trump by any any measure is

a very contentious president i mean i i watch all of his town his stadium appearances i mean he goes out there ok and his base likes it ok but he does give the mainstream of the liberal mainstream media or this c.n.n. and some b. c. the people like that he gives them a lot of cannon fodder to want to work with patrick you know i think earlier your point it's a central crisis that the mainstream media is going through it's not just an end existential crisis it's a financial crisis so what you have now is they've been forced to basically run click bait and if you talk about broadcast television it's one crisis after another or one sort of trump derangement crisis after another with the print with the washington post i get the delia alerts every day and michael cohen said this michael cohen said that steve benen is gardener heard him you know whatever singing russian in the shower so this is the daily sort of fodder because. they can't they

have to attract the audiences they have to get the clicks of the very thing they accuse of the independent media with the very thing they decry on social media they themselves are the worst offenders now so they need a crisis this is the sort of recurring theme with the mainstream media ok it's actually always been like that for many years we need a crisis of it's not political to be the way we have been going to go to lionel but i get what you're saying but what about a real crisis because. for my sensibility stormy daniels isn't a crisis for me i could care less ok a creepy porn lawyer i could care less it's in one ear out the other and i don't those are minutes of my life that he will never get back that's why i don't watch those stations here lionel you were disagreeing at some point go ahead jump in to my dear friend the intellectually sapient mr cobb i disagree in one respect what roger ailes di fox news as we knew it di absolutely die next with a d.c.

fox merger does the right thing to me fox merger even though they swear that the news division is different you are seeing a watered down and the dying saccharin version of what was once fox at its and you can argue about this best and the like with all due respect also my dear friend peter what you like has nothing to do with what these people are interested in this is a twenty four seven runaway train that you want to be run away you have to keep feeding the boiler then you are pouring everything into it you have a newsroom with twenty something i'm sorry to say per d.m. folks who i have no journalistic ability know no experience of any kind of t.v. or whatever they're just there to click and just feed ok i'll sit but now you know there's no room for correction but if i did that but the point is here is this dividing the country i mean i understand how it's made and why it's made and i understand the. bottom line here but it is dividing the country i mean jim acosta i

mean what a disgrace to journalism ok i mean and they probably think he's doing a great job rob if you were nodding your head go ahead he's not he's not defied ok ok go ahead go ahead rob jim acosta is not dividing that ok i'm sorry i'm sorry it's all right go ahead rob lionel consider this ok i'm going to start at the top with our esteemed president donald j. trump when you have a white house press pool they usually normally interact with the white house communications director who for quite a while was hopes his hope picks the way it used to run and i was not a huge fan of president obama only voted for him once jen psaki who was a communications director disseminate that information to her columns team the columns team then interacted with various people in the press pool and disseminate information to them so they could write about it i don't think that's ever been done under trump so you have president people that sit around twiddling their

thumbs sitting and fuming going what am i going to do what am i going to write about i think i will say that trump is a jerk and that he's disorganized and he doesn't do anything that he read because the evidence going on that he needed comes to me has twitter. to i've been here let me go to patrick because you know we've got a job you can hang on hang on line him you know we've gone back and forth on this program with all of us all of us here about twitter and and it's got those pluses and minuses here but again the traditional mainstream media line oh ok this is where it creates an opening for them is well ok so you know these different strategies they have their pluses and minuses patrick go ahead implement. yeah i think you're kind of talking about two different things here but let's talk about social media for a minute because these are some of the same corporations that are now overlapping with broadcast media and with mainstream print and they're also working hand in

hand with the first draft coalition all these sort of concepts to police fake news and so forth they're they're ideological you know in the united states and you know their ideological dependence is really on the state you know and i think this is the mainstream media's problem as well they need access to the state they need access to power they also need access to corporate money and hence they become a tool of government when they become a tool of corporate propaganda the same goes for the silicon valley facebook might be a democratic progressive in the united states but believe me they're absolutely colorblind internationally because they need access to all these markets so so i guess we're talking about media i think we can open up the conversation now a little bit more but but in terms of the united states unfortunately even if as your previous guest said they're going to be briefed by the white house team i think they would throw that briefing in the waste bin if they received it before

from the you know the press pool received under this administration because they're hell for leather really just bent on you know having this president impeached yeah well that's a lie let me go to lionel before we go to the break here i mean you know i see ideological possession i mean it's a daemonic ok on am based on c.n.n. and n.b.c. and i say b.c. i mean it's it's the point of being irrational it's not even fun to watch anymore ice to poke fun at you know brian stelter i mean the stupidest guy on t.v. but at the even now that's not funny forty seconds before we go to the break. first of all tom i love you the dead i give you a kidney not mine but somebody else's if you needed it and i got it he wanted there are two things my friend and i want you living in the past you're living in the past you're talking about white house new pools but let's say this is where paul wake up and over till you hate trial. can you get past it ok

well you know going to clean your game to see if you're going to say an example of of ideological possession you know. kind of created a lot of those called me here's one summer two years older than here. twenty seconds lionel keep going. but it's true business is no twitter is look they told f.d.r. with the fireside chat you can talk on the radio the presidential need i say more we've got to wake up and smell the coffee kids it's a new day ok i'm going to jump in here guys we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on trumped arrangement syndrome stay with are to.

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