absolutely because had it it was merely well call from through yourself because you were the d.j. at the other offices i mean here this is what it is we were like minded rebels i mean in the late seventy's it was a time of social crisis economic political and as i said social and no change here exactly very similar to where we are today back but in those days i had a soundtrack to ease my pain which was reggae. the popular music in the late to middle age seventy's was totally removed from the feeling on the street so my white friends set about creating a soundtrack that was relevant to their situation of the people for the people by the people and this was punk rock and we kind of turned each other on through you know i like their guitar riffs and their d.i.y. ethics which is i think rock's greatest gift to itself and you know from the jamaican side they love the bass lines they loved the musical reports harsh quality of the lyrics you know it wasn't all about love it was like how are we going to

live and furthermore how we going to do it together you know we were like minded rebels that kind of aligned ourselves and i guess that was sort of typified by that bob marley song punky reggae party because he recognized it as well you mentioned loving your grammy award winning documentary about the clash and you have one of the clash saying that the original i'm so bored of the usa was actually i'm so bored of you and i was someone's ex-girlfriend or girlfriend of the day i think mick jones had written the song and he written more of an emotional kind of doing more than a romantic and he had a lyric i'm so bored of you and jerry came in was like never mind that rubbish will change it i'm so bored with the usa that was joe and you directed their videos of course do you think that their internationalism because they sang about u.s. foreign policy in your liberal economics local government doing the internationalism spain catalonia it came from the internationalism provided by the base of the track from the caribbean as well i think that was one element but you

have to understand that joe was the son of a diplomat and in these early years he lived in a lot of different places i think he lived in spain he lived in. morocco and he traveled a lot and joe was very empathetic to the downtrodden and the oppressed yet he was a man of the people very much in the spirit of bob marley's and gil scott herons and woody guthrie's and bob dylan's and john. well and he was one of them because you did hundreds of music videos but take his mentor filmmaking and what why you liked the film about jimmy cliff the heard it out of a count of just tell me about as i said first generation british born black a very confusing concept in the early seventy's knew what we sounded like because we had our soundtrack we had reggae but had no visual accompaniment other than postcards from jamaica colonial images of a guy riding a donkey on a beach with a straw hat or people limbo dancing in the one nine hundred seventy one that all changed when i saw this film the harder they come directed by perry handel

jamaica's greatest film and i walked out of that cinema empowered because i knew so much more about my culture and it was then that i actually thought i wouldn't mind expressing myself in some kind of visual medium but in the early seventy's ridiculous idea for a black man it was an old school white man network but then if i was six years later punk comes along with the d.i.y. ethic do it yourself i'm looking around in all my white mixer picking up guitars and i'm not worried i've been a pick up something to i picked up a super eight camera and reinvented myself as don't let the filmmaker there is a lot of reinvention and punk rock and i think that's kind of why we're still talking about it because it weren't just a soundtrack it was a complete subculture can you then see the lineage going from trojan records through to punk and then to hip hop absolutely absolutely i mean what you're talking about here is a. music the x. is a tool for social change you know that's what it was about in the last of the twentieth

century yes you could party to it but you can't spend your life on the dance floor you know venture the musical stop and you'll have to go out and face reality i think guess what it's for that as well. and also you say about d.i.y. culture record executives can't censor like the way they used to try and sense of the they did manage to direct the videos of their lyrics in the past they don't try and censor anything as long as they can turn a buck. i mean they can deal with almost anything these days and i think they've learned that from punk rock how to package a rebellion and kind of castrate it and sell it to the people you know now punks about buying a ramones t. shirt or absurd vicious t. shirt you know that's what punks been reduced to and it was never about any of that stuff it's about attitude and a spirit that can actually and for whatever you do man you know i don't even know if we need any more pop musicians we could do some more punk politicians and punk

doctors and punk teachers you know i'm saying i think it's very important people understand the punk it's not this dead anomaly that began and ended in the late seventy's it has a lineage and a tradition and if you've got a good idea and the bold you can be part of it that's something i recognise as a very young man you know listening to music you know it's about helping you to be who you could be know about selling you a pair of pair of sneakers to understand what i'm getting at you know music had that potential back in the day now a lot of it. is about entertainment. after the breakout thirty years of complacency led to over seventy people dying in the grenfell tower we hear more from grammy award winning director and d.j. don't let all the support coming up in part two of going on the ground.

troops may seem wrong but old roles just don't all. let me. get to shape out these days because the ticket and engagement equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart. just to look for common ground. they're not going to learn how to love their money i'm not out of luck though the

other not a lot of them out of the money they're going to night in america. this was a good time to. try to move there i'm doudna mom. no not now want to get my little money not for north america and our son or ex chanting in the hall people we believe just a little bit here. are a lot of my kids i don't want them up with a johnny boy are they all the moment i've got a mother how do it all the kids or is it a lot of them on the moon work you might be old enough to go out to the theme find them ownership what are you the most cardioid are all the mother of love that it. is. what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line. to get accepted or

rejected. so when you want to be president. or somehow want to be rich. but you're going to be for us it's like a flag tree in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters of our. pursuit. welcome back the grand felt our tragedy britain's most lethal tower block fire will be remembered next week one year after over seventy people died in the poorest community of one of europe's richest a week into the trades made backed inquiry into grant felt after many blames everything from firefighters to class war for the atrocity and as the grandfather

area prepares for europe's largest street festival the notting hill carnival some were outraged last year when tory m.p. and minister of state for international trade suggested moving the carnival away from the tower in part two of our interview with grammy award winning director and d.j. john let's we speak about what caused wren fell as well as the notting hill carnival which will again this summer be in the shadow of a tragedy characterized by what shadow chancellor john mcdonald called social murder and you seen fears over europe's largest street festival the notting hill carnival in west london over a year after year and the emphasis of politicians on drugs knife crime story reason he said that why is it the police presence in glastonbury seems so different to the way police act in prince's annoying organic will a celebration of culture and its potential to unite the people is more important now than ever and i mean a lot we don't realise a call it was not really

a big street party it was started in the late fifty's as a means to heal what was then a fractured community there was a lot of the riots in the fifty's not exactly and it was conceived as a way not even as a black carnival initially it was about all the local immigrants immigrant to get together irish dogs and blacks exactly pollie i mean everybody then and it was actually an indoor event initially it took place in the. the town who'll king's cross town hall for a few years moved around various town halls they used to happen in january to mirror what was going on in trinidad as they have theirs in january anyway england far too cold and it moved to notting hill in the mid sixty's and it's there were it really started to grow and then the sort of afro caribbean community basically took it over for quite a while it was hijacked by the jamaican sound systems in the early seventy's but no all tribes are welcome and everyone's represented except techno techno don't work at a carnival man she says do you believe though that music is becoming even more

of an issue as regards censorship by the authorities obviously the british police want to take down all these videos by drill artists type of graham music one of them abracadabra saying that this is ridiculous that it's about distraction from cuts to schools use clubs and social housing yeah exactly i mean you hit the nail on the head it's an absolute distraction once again demonizing the youth aware of we seen that before and yet it distract people from dealing with the real problems you know the cutbacks that was started years ago that slowly eroding a lot of people's rights in this country but the people have let it happen man this erosion hasn't just start in the last ten years or even just dick this decade it started in the eighty's and we've let these little things get chipped chipped away you know who is it you said you know the price of freedom is eternal vigilance i think it was thomas jefferson can we haven't been vigilant man i mean what do you think they're responsible ground for because it comes off the i think the winder

scandal came of the back of the hostile environment came of the back of the ground . reeks of an incompetent government but also i've got to say you know it's all too easy to kind of blame this country's all good at blaming the player i think people need to look at their part in the process how they've allowed these things to happen because as i said earlier they just haven't been in the last two or three years and felt we've allowed them to take liberties with the people for thirty years and this is the end result of people being complacent. i mean one could say in the eighty's and the late seventy's it was a lot about identity politics famine ism and the racism all these different things to think there's more of an emphasis ironically on class and the uniting of all these disparate ideas into it is the ninety nine percent this time around. you know it's what is it's like you have this. was a pendulum thing where it swings from this way all the way that way to really the

solution somewhere in the middle because it seems like there's almost an overkill going on at the moment and i guess i wanted to get a more distraction to distract you from actually bigger issues although those issues are very important to individuals obviously but i do wonder where they do it i mean all of a sudden it's just like all this nonstop nonstop stuff. and it should have been really been dealt with much earlier on in a much more thought out way and it's interesting now we have similar conditions economic racially so all the rest of it but i don't hear too many voices of dissent other than somebody like storms who is a real exception back in the late seventy's it was a movement you know i should say we have a lot of them on our show melissa phonics and dead time for the money lots of different brands all of to talk with you must come across who have your radio show you see the the heightened politics arguably of guilt and then the queasy johnson. you where where or where did they go in their later years of the greatest joint is

still around and not around jimmy cliff lately i don't think it's the right question i think the right question is where are those kind of people that are in that tradition and in that lineage in the twenty first century who we're talking about people what thirty forty years ago and you know the last half of the twentieth century you can see there was a tradition of these people who would come up every ten years johnny rotten we should mention john leyden he calls himself now but in the twenty first century it seems to me that flatlined why that is i don't really know i have a feeling a lot of it's to do with the aspirations of the young themselves because when we got into this business or this. it's a form of expression i don't like the word business back in the late seventy's it was an anti-establishment thing but come the twenty first century it seems to me that a lot of people particularly young want to get into it to be part of the establishment and if that's your goal i don't really know how radical you can be in

a win early i was reading a story to a quote from benjamin zephaniah who's very much of the school of linton crazy johnson and he was saying you know i believe in anacreon revolution but everyone wants to go shopping and i think that summed up the situation in twenty first century very well and i mean i don't want to tar everyone with the same brush there are people out there that are trying to say something but in more cases than not they're not the ones getting elevated to a kind of a contract to keep them quiet shut up you're supporting the party we just want to party that new childish gambino video this is america that's all about that you know you can either look at the guy that in taney you in the front or if you look beyond that and see what's going on in the background it's kicking off i think very clever video and everyone loves in the office actually take us back to how you heard it is more to the point.