some china breaking some shot and spilling the sort of on the way so i think they underestimated the seriousness of the nazi element new crime. and russia had to draw a line somewhere in ukraine as if you get really in georgia what have they done and if they helped a very small part of ukraine i mean. it's been done it pretty small amount of territory five percent of ukraine they they've helped crimea carry out an act of free self-determination and. they did it under enormous provocation if they hadn't been in the mud. they would not have been the warden at least mr kim and i could argue that the west did similar things in other countries but as western officials would reply to that there is no moral equivalency anyway we have to take a short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments stay tuned. so

what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race off and spearing dramatic to follow through the only really i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. to john mccain and his republican cohorts like the bush family and others they will break cozy with ken lay who financed the bush campaigns of the bush presidency and when they got caught committing massive fraud on the same scale as the savings along crisis the machinery was already in place thanks to john mccain who's

a bag man for wall street for decades yeah to bail those guys out and make them all at the expense of the democracy slash economy of the united states which is to celebrate. welcome back to worlds apart tony cabin therefore must diplomat in russia and the author of the book. returning to moscow. mr cameron what. we started discussing your crane before the break break and there was definitely a genuine aliment in that uprising people wanted some change positive change they wanted to they ended in to corruption they wanted a more fair more representative and more transparent government and all of those. calls you can hear it in russia these days changes also have pretty popular world

in this country but i think russia's relationship with changes is interesting because as a pedestal it and the former prime minister of the imperial russia wants out everything changes in russia in ten years and nothing in two hundred i wonder what are some of those changes and norm changes that struck you when you came back to this country after a very long break well obviously you were talking about since the cold war you know when i worked here forty six years ago it's a very different country now totally different in terms of material living standards in terms of the the the members of the people the old rudeness and roughness and i remember about russia's maybe it was a full picture even then but i certainly felt a. little told our feel russians were very well mannered people know what are the challenges i think there's much greater self-confidence in russia today. i think it's growing because i think russia in the last few years particularly since

you crying since that experience from syria. russia that. the west when it criticizes russia has not been good to have lent. basically try to undermine russian self-esteem and i think russia has learned that yes we have our own problems we have our own disputes we have to deal with for example gender equality we have to deal with the way we treat option the really really old. particularly the way we treat homosexuals because i think for homosexuals there is still a very big future about being russian and it shouldn't be that way but it's not my place and it's not the west good place to lecture russia about these things well i know you're very reluctant to criticize russia openly but you just mentioned this attitude towards the community and if you actually look at the polls you will see that russians by and large. homophobic they for example if you ask people do

you mind homosexual couple living in the apartment next door to you they would usually say the majority would say no i don't care and yet in the political. environment these days you hear a lot about the traditional values the patriarchy and so on and so forth where in fact i would argue they have realistically no place in the russian society this is a society that is. empowered by strong women that we have lots of single mother families you know women taking care of the entire families women tend to be i think in other countries too more tolerant towards people who are different so i wonder if you perhaps would go as far as to say that the russian elites are exploiting exploiting some of the things and perhaps fostering some of the negative attitudes dead actually do not have that deep of

a root in the russian culture not enough about russia to your question but i'm very interested in what you say i can only say that just recently in australia we've had an extremely controversial. new law passed in december which we call the marriage equality law which for the first time allowed a sexual couples to marry it was very difficult to get that passed because our political elites were much more conservative than the population it was clear that the population wanted it that certain powerful politicians in the power limit and did their very best to to him paid it what i did find if i may extend the question a little is i'm probably of jewish origin i'm half irish catholic and have been a jewish by descent. i'd expect the degree that the semitism in russia. didn't encounter it and i was enormously impressed with the jewish museum.

and its presentation of the jewish contribution to russian history and culture right through the years since russia conquered potent in the jewish population of poland and below russia because of russian citizens that whole story was fascinating i left the museum with a spirit of uplift because my folks show the russian and throw a good thing on the path of decent mutually respectful relations. mischler respectful relationship between russia and israel is not a problem i think they are now a little bit concerned that the personal relationship between police and benjamin netanyahu is endangering the middle east peace process because everybody's so accommodating towards israel but rather than going into international affairs i want to ask you a specifically about logic and putin has been in power of on and off for eighteen years and you just recently speaking at one of the conferences here in russia you

said that you wish and his foreign minister sergey lavrov along political careers the world needs now wisdom and moderation even if that's your genuine sailing donte think you know the long stay in power i'm a in danger of russia in the long run because. power transition is inevitable one day we all believe this world and. with having one leader even their very popular leader in power for so long don't you think that it will make russia vulnerable more vulnerable when time comes to hand over the keys to the kremlin to somebody else i see what you're getting at and i think you're worried about some sort of personality cult developing around putin especially in the western press by the way not so much in russia but i think also in the western press because much of the western coverage about russia is about putin that's right we we personalize everything and when i gave a lecture in perth i don't know whether it's you know on my website i've got that

lecture and i've got the photographs that i put up during the lecture one of them in particular is a pair of photographs the there's an ordinary tufts or something new this picture of putin's sitting in this disc of his head and shoulders and the next picture it's the famous cover of the economist which portrayed putin as a devil it's a photoshop image of exactly that same picture so we we demonize putin and mr cameron i am sorry for indigestion i think it's safe to say but both of us have a. fairly neutral if not positive attitude towards putin of what he has done for this country but. that none of us standing my question still stands don't you think that. you know he too has to think about what russia yeah will be after he's gone absolutely and i think and i talk about this in my book in the chapter about suicide oh i think he's trying to leave. a positive legacy of ideas the

idea of the russian wilderness can mirror the idea of. civil is that he is actually trying to leave a legacy of a multicultural russia a russia of many of the cities not just to the docks russia. certainly proper respect for the ducks he has in england this respect for the anglican church but not not of the periodic table of the ducks for other religions and i think he's trying to leave a legacy of multiculturalism and i talk about that quite a lot. he's trying to leave you know sort out this question. what is the russian motherland if you're not if you know off the books what is the road enough to you and he's trying to help broaden that concept we have to do this in australia too because when i was young australia was basically what i think was sex and now we're i think we're well on the way to being a genuinely multicultural country and in that respect i think russia and australia

have a lot in common already as you point out in your book many commonalities between russia and australia being the outsiders being territorially expansive countries perhaps sometimes struggling to defined who they are but i want to bring you back to the question how flooding a putin's and sergey lavrov a long political career is because there is now a rumor in moscow that sergei lavrov for example the foreign minister asked for his retirement several times because as much as he i assume lost his job it is quite tiring there was also speculation put in wasn't planning on coming back to power or running for presidency again in two thousand and twelve but the events in libya and the murder of moammar gadhafi the disintegration of libya afterwards made him change his mind i wanted to what extent and western policies are responsible for keeping those perhaps not fully appreciated individuals in power for so long

well those two room as you mentioned. may be a conspiracy theorist but i suspect the origins of some of those rumors think this is all part of trying to make russia feel weak about. and the information war is ruthless and ongoing thing against against russian stability but let me come back. putin lover of what what makes him special i remember even when i was forty seven years ago and certainly in my subsequent twenty five years as a diplomat the smartest people in russian embassies were almost the kind of people now it's no accident that young ambitious intelligent men like putin growing up in leningrad in fairly tough circumstances looking at its career opportunities as well join the k.g.b. there's nothing sinister about this it was the most cagey business there's a people see if that's what. it was where ambitious people would would gravitate

and so it's a mark of it's an ability that he was promoted quickly in the k.g.b. and finished up in east germany at the time of it which i just left it off for a friend of mine was a fellow diplomat of lover of the united nations. thirty five forty years ago they worked together in a committee he said was super bright and you know super organized just the professional diplomat you can see that no leverage gives a media conference without notes and he just talks about every issue out of this and gets it right gets the language exactly right we have running out of time here and i want to ask why isn't one more question there is a presumption in the west that if putin of we're not in the kremlin that russian policy somehow would have been different that russia wouldn't be such a big star and in the side of the west and i get it from your book. you really chide she showed that russia's decisions recent decisions they comply with certain

historical logic that there is certain continuity to decision making in russia if it wasn't put in let's say for alexina vallone comes to power at this year or next year do you think the west should expect a dramatically different foreign policy line from russia i don't think there's any chance of developing coming to anybody else i mean any other lady if rigs. the leader of the communist party kind of power or. the daughter of a totally stopped shot came to power i don't think that the huge difference is because as you've said there is a professionalism at the competence about the russian administrative class which which would continue well mr cameron we have to leave it there thank you very much for your time and to our viewers please keep the conversation going on our social media pages and i hope to see you again same place same time here on of also part. of.

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follow us on facebook and twitter to keep up with all the latest news stories coming up on our international that it is going underground but in the u.k. and ireland time for sport next to us. we're going on the ground as leaders off six new liberal nations and italy meet in canada. and is arguably declining g. seven powers meet in canada or amidst a trade war between themselves here in britain it's time for the queen's birthday only as well obviously not to some there it's a whole other world which i don't want to be part of it and the list of those who turned down queen's own is is a long one they've been turned down by some of the most famous britons in history

scientists like francis crick michael faraday pulled iraq and stephen hawking people under occupation will continue to resist in any way it. wants it will have to talk to us like. us or the democrats only elected leader or some. people cannot be ignored also turning down the queen where wright is like hadi sure huxley and penned. nothing truth in power and in the maintenance of that power to make sure not it is essential that people remain in ignorance that they live in ignorance of the truth even the truth that lives surrounds us they're for. it's a vast tapestry of life artists to turn down on as from the queen there's like

lowery more and hockney and actors also like peter o'toole julie christie and vanessa redgrave so you've stood firm and you have refused to be intimidated by the threats of a small bunch of scientists to dylan's. behavior. behave here is an insult to the stature of jews all over the world and to their great and heroic record of struggle against fascism and oppression meanwhile musicians rejecting on is included vaughan williams john leyden of the sex pistols david bowie and brian eno we also late between extreme hubris and extreme paranoia the war on terror was paranoia the triumph of of the west and the downfall of communism was who brasil and for some turning down orders like the o.b.e. was for what the east stood for empire a lot of the atrocities that were formed and soon to africans as was

a result of the slave trade. which was invoked by the empire that i would have been. a kind of thing for me to do to upset. and then be a member of the aplysia champagne it's a subject that has come under renewed scrutiny in the wake of the so-called windrush scandal in u.k. prime minister tourism aids hostile environment which led to deportations of british people with africa or be in the street and one icon of caribbean cultural interchange celebrates half a century this year trojan records a label was promoted by a d.j. who did so much to fuse the rebellion of political music and global culture don let's we sat down with the celebrated director and clash videographer at the old camden palace now koko in camden town in north london. don thanks for being on going underground here at a venue the old camden palace where the clash only meaningful to me empty today

unlike it was then we have to start of a trojan records half a century the anniversary tell me about its provenance and the what it shows about the jamaica u.k. connection the trojan records is a tremendously important label that started in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight when i was twelve years old and by the turn of sixty nine it was having an unprecedented amount of chart hits a run that's never happened again in the last sixty years and this is very empowering to my generation i'm first generation british born black which kind of rolls off the tongue now but back then it was a very confusing concept and it was through the music of trojan that we began to find out what we were about to understand the whole jamaican culture and what was very interesting about the label is this is that emerged at the same time as the birth of a particular british subculture called skinheads now i have to be very clear about

this especially for russia when i don't i'm talking about all around the world as i'm talking about the fashion version not the fascist version that it became in the late seventy's in the mid seventy's. and what was interesting about that whole thing was that the trojan soundtrack that movement and that can sort of acted as a tool for social change because it kind of helped black and white youth to unite in the schools on the streets and in the clubs and you got to understand this is against the backdrop of serious racial tension and we're talking sikh six sixty eight here when politicians like powell are doing the rivers of blood speech and really playing on the fears of the older generation but through the music the b.b.c. just recently played the entire rivers of blood speech ok and it really a grassroots level it was the music and the jamaican culture that was helping people to get on it was by understanding our differences that brought us closer

together not by focusing on our differences because the only reason the caribbean people of caribbean provenance is in the news at the moment is the windrush whole when right thing i mean my god these are second generation people who were born in this country who were deported where did they go that they were so quietly living in britain without a passport more oh you're exaggerating somewhat i mean basically what happened is in the fifty's. the empire asked for the africa arabians to come and help rebuild the country after the second world war and there's been a lot of focus recently through when russia about them bringing their cheap labor which they did but just as important is that they brought their culture and it's that that's made the biggest impact on this country because it's changed the identity of what it means to be british you know if you check the kids on the street now the clothes the where they wear the way they speak their attitude and the music they listen to it's all coming from jamaica man but this is the twenty first century the trojan records they had number ones back then double barrel which

you had dennis and greg a trio called bob marley and the wailers people probably haven't heard of them so long ago how could we possibly be still talking about identity and the hostile environment against people who was parents maybe grandparents were born there well hey it's a. popular theme around the world at the moment in the trump climate there's been a lot of focusing on immigration and all the rest of it and it's really sidetracking from bigger problems is money don't trick divide and rule you know and it's a shame to see it being so easily rolled out decade after decade the whole brix it thing is playing on the fears of old white people who have been in this case you're talking about trojan record music about healing our working class white people and working class like opal and today these are always the elite white for people in government the one who create or environment the public at large waves or black or

whatever color they are obviously responded to the wind or a scandal at all in they've been working things out on the street with the politicians to get you know to detract from the real problems they start blaming problems on him because it's an age old trick blaming the problems of the country on the illegal immigrants and the truth of the matter is this country couldn't operate without immigration and immigration built the nation now you contend that music like that from george records directly then fed in to the punk music phenomenon absolutely because how did it have to salute well call from through yourself because you were the d.j. at the other offices i mean hit this is what it is we were like minded rebels i mean in the late seventy's it was a time of social crisis economic political and as i said social and no change here exactly very similar to where we are today back but in those days i had a soundtrack to ease my pain which was reggae. the popular music in the late to middle age seventy's was totally removed from the feeling on the street so my white

friends said about creating a soundtrack that was relevant to their situation of the people for the people by the people and this was punk rock and we kind of turned each other on through you know i like their guitar riffs and their d.i.y. ethics which is i think rock's greatest gift to itself and you know from the jamaican side they love the bass lines they loved the musical reports harsh quality of the lyrics you know it wasn't all about love it was like how are we going to live and furthermore how are we going to do it together you know we were like minded rebels that kind of aligned ourselves and i guess that was sort of typified by that bob marley song punky reggae party because he recognized it as well you mentioned loving your grammy award winning documentary about the clash and you have one of the clash saying that the original i'm so bored of the usa was actually i'm so bored of you.