throw in a case which government for many years before two thousand and fourteen there was all kinds of encouragement being given to nationalistic elements in the crowd and the russian element by the united states and by certain european countries do you think they actually understood the seriousness of encouraging those kind of forces and the kind of reaction that they may provoke in russia where they understood and simply didn't care i think the latter i think they didn't care i think it was you know whatever we can do to encourage the build up of of anti russian opinion in ukraine is worth doing whatever the risks because ukraine so important strategically so important economically and if we can prise it away from the russian world to the nato world it would be worth spilling some china breaking some china and spilling the sort of on the way so i think they underestimated the seriousness of the nazi elements new crown. and russia had

to draw a line somewhere in ukraine as if you just really were in georgia what have they done and they've helped a very small part of ukraine i mean. it's been done it pretty small amount of territory what five percent of ukraine they they've helped crimea carry out an act of self-determination and. they did it under enormous provocation if they hadn't been in the mud. they would not have been the warden at least mr kim and i could argue that the west did similar things in other countries but as western officials would reply to that there is no moral equivalency anyway we have to take a short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments stay tuned. they're

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my kids i don't want them up aside john if i already have that moment on account of motherhood a lot of concerns are there a lot of them i'm a little white community will be looking at the things i don't want to put out a other than most of them of the blood letting. you know world of big partisan through things a lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bad and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. for manners sitting in

a car when the phipps gets shot in the head. all four different versions of what happened one of them is on the death row there's no way he could have done it there's no possible way because the list did not shoot around a corner. welcome back to worlds apart that tony cabin therefore must try and get them out in russia and the author of the book called return to moscow. mr cameron what. we started discussing your crane before the break break and there was definitely a genuine aliment in that uprising people wanted some change positive change they wanted to they and to him to corruption the they wanted

a more fair and more representative and more transparent government and all of those. calls you can hear in russia these days changes also have pretty popular world in this country but i think russia's relationship with changes is interesting because as part of the loop and the former prime minister of the imperial russia once said everything changes in russian ten years and nothing in two hundred i wonder what are some of those changes the norm changes that struck you when you came back to this country after a very long break. well obviously you were talking about since the cold war years when i worked to forty six years ago it's a very different country now totally different in terms of material living standards in terms of the the the menace of the people the old rudeness and and roughness that i remember about russia wrist maybe it was a full picture even then but i certainly felt it and i don't feel it or told i feel

russians were very well managed people know what are the changes i think there's a much greater self-confidence in russia today. and i think it's growing because i think russia has learnt in the last few years particularly since you cry and since that experience since syria. russia to limit. the west when it criticizes russia is not big but they haven't. basically tried to undermine russian self-esteem and i think russia has looked at us we have our own problems we have our own disputes we have to deal with for example gender equality we have to deal with the way we treat option the really really old. particularly the way we treat homosexuals because i think for homosexuals there is still a very big future about being russian and it shouldn't be that way but it's not my place and it's not the west good place to lecture russia about these things well i know you're very reluctant to criticize russia openly but you just mentioned this

attitude towards the community and if you actually look at the polls you will see that russians by and large. homophobic they for example if you ask people do you mind homosexual couple living in the apartment next door to you they would usually say the majority would say no i don't care and yet in the political. environment these days you hear a lot about the traditional values the patriarchy and so on and so forth where in fact i would argue they have realistically no place in the russian society this is a society that is. empowered by strong women that we have lots of single mother families you know women taking care of the entire families women tend to be i think in other countries too more tolerant towards people who are different so i wonder if you perhaps would go as far as to say that the russian elites are

exploiting exploiting some of the things and perhaps fostering some of the negative attitudes dead actually do not have that deep of a root in the russian culture not enough about russia to your question but i'm very interested in what you say i can only say that just recently in australia we've had an extremely controversial. new law passed in december which we call the marriage equality law which for the first time allowed a sexual couples to marry it was very difficult to get that passed because our political elites were much more conservative than the population it was clear that the population wanted it that certain powerful politicians in the power limit and did their very best to to him paid it what i did find if i may extend the question a little is i'm probably of jewish origin i'm half irish catholic and have been a jewish by descent. i'd expect the degree of that to semitism in

russia. i didn't encounter it and i was enormously impressed with the jewish museum . and its presentation of the jewish contribution to russian history and culture right through the years since russia conquered potent in the jewish population of poland and below russia because of russian citizens that whole story was fascinating i left the museum with a spirit of uplift because my folks this shows that russia and its row getting on the path of peace and mutually respectful relationship. issues a respectful relationship between russia and israel is not a problem i think they are now a little bit concerned that the personal relationship between putin and benjamin netanyahu is endangering the middle east peace process because everybody's so accommodating to israel but rather than going into international affairs i want to

ask you specifically about logic and putin has been in power of on and off for eighteen years and you just recently speaking at one of the conferences here in russia you said that you wish and his foreign minister sergey lavrov along political careers the world needs now wisdom and moderation even if that's your genuine failing donte think you know the long stay in power in may in danger of russia in the long run because. power transmission is inevitable one day we all believe this world and. with having one leader even their very popular leader in power for so long don't you think that it will make russia vulnerable more vulnerable when time comes to hand over the keys to the kremlin to somebody else i see what you're getting at and i think you're worried about some sort of personality cult developing around putin especially in the western press by the way not so much in russia but i think also in the western press because much of the

western coverage about russia is about putin that's right we we personalize everything and when i gave a lecture in perth i don't know whether it's you know on my website i've got that lecture and i've got the photographs that i put up during the lecture one of them in particular is a pair of photographs the there's an ordinary tufts or something new this picture of putin's sitting in this disc of his head and shoulders and the next picture is the famous cover of the economist which portrayed putin as a devil it's a photoshop image of exactly that same picture so we we put in that image mr cameron i am sorry for indigestion i think it's safe to say but both of us have a. fairly neutral if not positive attitude towards putin of what he has done for this country but. that none of us standing my question still stands don't you think that. you know he too has to think about what russia yeah will be after he's gone

absolutely and i think and i talk about this in my book in the chapter about suicide oh i think he's trying to leave. a positive legacy of ideas the idea of the russian wilderness can mirror the idea of. civil is that he is actually trying to leave a legacy of a multicultural russia a russia of many of the cities not just of the docks russia. certainly proper respect for the ducks he has in england this respect for the anglican church but not notice the periodic table of the ducks you have or other religions and i think he's trying to leave a legacy of multiculturalism and i talk about that quite a lot. he's trying to leave you know as sort out this question. what is the russian level and if you're not if you're not off the books what is the road enough to you and he's trying to help broaden that concept we have to do this

in australia too because when i was young australia was basically what i think was sex and now we think we're well on the way to being a genuinely multicultural country and in that respect i think russia and australia have a lot in common already older as you point out in your book many commonalities between russia and australia being the outsiders being territorially expansive countries perhaps sometimes struggling to defined who they are but i want to bring you back to the question of logic of putin's and sergey lavrov along political careers because there is now a rumor in moscow that sergei lavrov for example the foreign minister asked for his retirement several times because as much as he i assume lost his job it is quite tiring there was also speculation that put in wasn't planning on the calming back to power or running for presidency again in two thousand and twelve but the events in libya and the murder of moammar gadhafi the disintegration of libya afterwards

made him change his mind i wanted to what extent and western policies are responsible for keeping those perhaps not fully appreciated individuals in power for so long well those two room as you mentioned. may be a conspiracy theorist but i suspect the origins of some of those rumors think this is all part of trying to make russia feel weak about. and the information war it's ruthless and an ongoing thing against against russian stability but let me come back. put in a lover of what what makes them special i remember even when i was forty seven years ago and certainly in my subsequent twenty five years as a diplomat the smartest people in russian embassies were almost the kind of people now it's no accident that a young ambitious intelligent man like putin growing up in leningrad in fairly tough circumstances looking at his career opportunities just will join the k.g.b.

there's nothing sinister about this it was the most k.g.b. officers that people see if that's what. it was where ambitious people would would gravitate and so it's a mark of it's an ability that he was promoted quickly in the k.g.b. and finished up in east germany to the time of the which i just left it off a friend of mine was a fellow diplomat of lover of the united nations. thirty five forty years ago they worked together in a committee he said was super bright and. super organized just the professional diplomat you can see that no leverage gives a media conference without notes and he just talks about every use you want of us and gets it right gets the language exactly right we had running out of time here and i want to ask quiz and one more question there is a presumption in the west that if putin of were not in the kremlin that russian policy somehow would have been different that russia would be such

a big star and in the side of the west and i get it from your book. you really chide she showed that russia's decisions recent decisions they comply with certain historical logic that there is certain continuity to decision making in russia if it wasn't put in a lot safe alexina vallone comes to power at this year or next year do you think the west should expect a dramatically different foreign policy line from russia i don't think there's any chance of developing coming to anybody else i mean any other lady if rigs. the leader of the communist party kind of power or it's. the daughter of a totally stopped shot came to power i don't think there'd be huge differences because as you've said there is a professionalism at the competence about the russian administrative class which which would continue well mr cameron we have to leave it there thank you very much for your time and to our viewers please keep the conversation going on our social media pages and i hope to see you again same place same time here on of also part.

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so the week's top story syria's last rebel of terrorist stronghold is surrounded for what could be the final showdown of the country's devastating. clashes witnessed pertwee and two migrant protesters come to rallies in germany see a t.v. into the multiple arrests made. skeptic parties gain momentum in sweden as of next sunday's general election the made a space of boston attacks the district in the capital has been branded a no go zone.

hello there two pm sunday afternoon in moscow welcome to the weekly here in. international round up some of the biggest stories of the last seven years with me kevin our first than all parties in the syrian conflict have been accusing each other in the last seven days of trying to escalate the situation and with the looming battle for it live which is the last stronghold of islamic terrorists washington is threatening damascus with new airstrikes in turn russia warned over a potential false flag chemical attack designed to trigger foreign intervention. the syrian armed forces have no chemical weapons and no plans to use the because there is no military necessity. for the russians to assert that the syrians have chemical weapons sensible people will not be used militarily use this means to draw the fire of three powerful countries upon themselves the russians are claiming now and this one another group stockpiling chemical weapons and planning an attack you

know and i think that's more false flag type for for any time you know because there's enough for when you try to play the blame they try to put the onus on other groups and we don't buy into. the chemical weapons provocation which is being prepared is aimed at keeping al nusra that we believe these egotistical unilateral political games that counterproductive. this stage is set for a final and it looks like a bloody battle the battle for tens of thousands of islamists rebels from all over syria and the world against the syrian army and its allies no wonder then that the stakes here are like never before i q stations provocation and chemical scandal it's not an even fight the syrian army is stronger which means geologists need all the help they can get from abroad.

following the alleged go take chemical attack russia's warning that rebels will try to stage a similar incident. to draw the u.s. france and britain in. happened to hit a sad again russia says an incident is imminent especially after the u.s. and the allies jointly stated that they would act if it looks like as had launched another chemical attack that's almost an invitation to do so says moscow it would suggest now when the u.s. is steering the situation around we want to know how can damascus have chemical weapons if the u.s.

france and great britain destroyed them last year you know what the u.s. answer is we never said that france did the chemical weapons provocation which is being prepared is aimed at keeping al nasra they're counting on using it against the so-called regime as they call it it's do a dive for the jihad ists rebels nowhere left to run nothing left to lose and their sponsors the west the gulf which have pumped billions upon billions of dollars into a cause that's on its last legs the mascot's and moscow are trying to work out a deal to reduce perhaps avoid the bloodshed but the job for it syria russia adamant the swamp of terror and zealotry has no future. this is the last place for the terrorists so from all points of view this abscess should be removed of course what everybody's fearful of is escalation given the us

russian military buildup in the region everyone has a gun pointed at each other and given that this is it the final act of the syrian war the urge to shoot might just be overwhelming the united states doesn't believe that the rebels have that capability whereas there's tremendous documentation to show that they do have the capability they've probably been storing it for months if not years in the province. they have used it in the past they have that capability and it is a last ditch hold for them so it cannot be ruled out it's not it's not beyond the realm of possibility that the u.s. is trying to get assad out they're going to continue trying and and even though donald trump wants to. get the u.s. out of syria there are elements within the u.s.

government that don't want that to happen with a decisive battle in the imminent than civilians are fleeing to safer territory. and i asked them then why did they get militants were holding and since hostages it was called in are counting minutes here intensely close and some of this humanitarian courage will is not some feature. of the games i am from even the conditions were dire there the militants don't let anyone go we escaped with just the clothes on our backs. saturday's clashes in the german city of chemists between ninety migrant protesters

and rival groups left eighteen injured and so multiple arrests there's been nonstop demonstrations in unrest there throughout the week in fact is a roundup of what's been happening. i. this murder has affected us too even though we had nothing to do with it we're still having to pay the price even though we did nothing. to feel if you see this place you're behind me

a lot of crime. and so on just steal everything and so on and it's too much and i think we must help people but now it's too much. to be honest i'm ashamed of this city when these right wing extremists spread hate like that we should leave and piece together with the refugees. what we have seen in common it is something that has no place in a constitutional spades it's become a witch mob spewing hate street these has no place in our country. the way we stream is tough capitalized on this terrible heinous crime is tasteless. and we reject it is not acceptable when people who look for and are being attacked in

the course of a spontaneous rally. and to moderate protesters have also been displaying photos of people who they claim about assaulted by saddam see because some think a contributing factor to the arrest of flaws in germany's own legal enforcement systems with more on but your correspondent peter all of. migration policy in germany is firmly in focus right now but what to do when it's been decided that the person doesn't have the right to be here and should be deported well at the bizarre end of the spectrum is the case of one man in frankfurt who the city's office of public order confirmed to r.t. is how what ping five hundred and forty two criminal investigations against him the man who doesn't have a passport can't be deported because the authorities can't prove which nation he originally comes from oh and by the way this has been going on since ninety ninety eight over the last twenty years most of his offenses have involved drug charges

driving offenses driving without a license and violations of the residency act but who year is remains a mystery we have a loose biography that suggests that he was born in one nine hundred fifty nine in north africa in the past he said that he was from morocco and also from his from algeria it could be that he is from one of those two countries or he could be from somewhere entirely different opposition figures say that this case shows the flaws in the current system in germany but i'm not surprised this is the most extraordinary case the most ridiculous case so to speak it's a failure of system it's a failure of the government i think if the government really wanted to extradite people who could do it but they don't dare to do it because they're afraid of the left wing media. proto.