and what of. the moderation of the opposition it's about whether or not these people are ready to talk and from what i understand there have been several statements by their leaders militant leaders on the ground that i know it's very easy to negotiate they want to as as i said die hard i mean doing this are in conflict we are always in the every stage and in every here we saw such groups and from the perspective. ninety five percent of those groups are not inclined to negotiate and took her to pursue political process so. i think it would not matter for talk about the summit what matters here is russia turkish relations and their partnership. in the first place russia understands that turkey it's one of the most important parts and it can just push it and impose its own wheel on on its partner well i would partially both agree and disagree with you

because i do think their relationship with turkey are extremely is extremely important and we will talk more about that but i also think russia genuinely. cares about what happens to the people of that province and i think this is one a valuable thing that we got out of the summit a very explicit declaration by all the three leaders that they will try to take a lot of care in trying to protect the civilian lives and we are talking about more than three million people living there but from what i understand it doesn't mean that russia syria or iran for that matter would refrain from narrow strikes aimed at the militants infrastructure is it possible to separate the two to go off to the terrorists and fully spare the civilians i think september fourth it was the first series of airstrikes in the weeks so when they targeted. targets outside of football that area. so and in fact after that we didn't hear

much of a position from the western side and from what i think one of the things that many observers note about the the problems is that it's very densely populated and one of the tactics by terrorists to sensually mingle going to even the russians or the syrians tried to spare the civilian lives as much as possible i think the i would assume that the terrorists would try a quite the opposite you know. historically during the war we saw that human shields are used you know almost in every. serious case in the. poor in ghouta so that was plenty of such cases and of course i mean during the civil war and during the oppressions it's almost impossible to avoid collateral damage as it is called and. russian the first place and the partners they also took is of although all want to minimize possible casualties among civilians and also among those i mean among the militants because that would actually. increase

another refugee flow which would go where so it's turkish borders exactly now social media especially western and turkish a social media filled with a search ends that putin. brushed aside a request for cease far in terms of pleas backing it formally but i think practically speaking russia has no other choice but to accommodate turkey and that request specifically in order to prevent this massive exodus of the civilians do you think does the large scale assault in italy was ever on the cards let's put it this way the assault is on the table that's for sure but the degree and the character of this assault is still to be defined so basically that what was one of the reasons of the summit gathering so the three parties aim to decide what the limits will have this would have but as we see i mean they postponed the

assault that's one important outcome and secondly i mean it's not out of agenda completely it's still on the table and those before strikes in this. gathering of syrian military on the border of the province also confirms that almost all preparations for possible offense is complete now i think you would agree with may have. or that russia is after in italy it is not just a military victory it wants to use that military victory as a transition to a full scale of revival and rebuilding of syria which would involve the return of the refugees hopefully the return of the international investors to how been reckoned struction don't you think it's a little bit naive on the part of moscow to believe that if it plays in good faith in the comedy aids or try to accommodate everybody that you know everybody else really respond in kind and we'll actually allow if let alone assist the full scale

rebuilding of that country. there is no reason to believe that that will happen exactly how we describe because during the three previous cases with three other days questions owns and works quite opposite the quiet harsh offensive partnered with talks and striking deals and perspicacious of. rebels. but anyways it was a very harsh narrative here in the station this is quite different here turkey is involved and turkey is quite important partner and also have invested heavily in its own supported groups in syria's north and it also has another objective syrian kurds and to follow up on that. agree it's nice to believe but i would also say that it is naive to believe that. basically dealing with it lip will help to

finalize or you know get back refugees or attract you know investments foreign investments that let me ask you about the sort of the language that the leaders employ because president ed though on the tough cookie that he is usually very blunt in laying out his argument and during this meeting in. the future call duration to russia and turkey depend on the outcome of the lead question which to me is you know it's a plain blackmail and yet president putin who is supposedly so much so much concerned about you know looking tough and mass killer he was very self spoken he went out of his way to stress how much he agrees with president and go on why is that. well again coming back to the mere idea that took is very important for russia both in syria and even outside of it so to

have a nato member country which supports your policies in the country which counterbalancing actually it's dear colleagues of the north atlantic alliance. balancing their criticism of this i think it's quite important for from moscow and with without having to go on board with his policy on syria or the reconstruction with the return of refugees than dealing with the kurds it will be almost impossible to. smoothly it went so also with the collateral damage and with. civilians it's so it's kind of tit for tat and i want to say that indications that erdogan is quite critical of syrian regime and bashar lots of it doesn't mean that he blames russia for that and also doesn't mean that he supports russia on its policies well actually we have to take

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these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic future. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race off and spearing dramatic developments only really i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk.

welcome back to worlds apart with aleksey klebnikov middle east expert at the russian international affairs council alexa let me pick up on the point that we were discussing just before the break the ice. that chemical attack i think all sides are now estimating the risk of it as pretty high and they all alleged the equipment the chemicals have already been delivered to the ground they only disagree about who is the future perpetrator is and i think from the russian perspective the only means of precluding such attacks from happening would be to make sure that the syrian advocation does not operate in the area that's the only real practical means of debasing those allegations do you think though our western

and eastern partners would go as far as to accuse russia of launching such an attack. i think it's quite an early six and there are. and i would have said you think it's unrealistic and yet apparently on the turkish media there are already some fears that i being broadcast onto the a large audience of russian supposedly preparing something like that i think that would go i mean if that happens there was a position that will go way beyond current. kind of constellation of powers in the region because now there is kind of like. an agreement between all that no major power is there involved even on the ground but the do not do. things and that's quite clearly just some added give is that what you're trying to say about the syrian blushes. but. that was serious about it so i think it's

really unrealistic that russia would be accused because that would change agent of negotiations so that is. assuming a fresh commits this chemical attack then there will be no chance that western powers to talk to will negotiate with a country which commit this kind of code i think that may be a help to. powers in the west or in life but i think it's not in turkish interest because that would mean that entire. deal which is currently in the works on the north of syria on the kurds it would be destroyed and that would mean you know here's and maybe yours over escalations and turbulence along the turkish border in the syria and refugees and everything now speaking by turkish interest what is it that i don't ideally wants to achieve in italy das he want to be solely in control of that province beach houses more than three million people

thousands of militants that seems like too much to bargain of course i mean in the first place he control i mean to. backed rebels and position groups they control not entire. province and it seems that turkey is quite ready to. give back the majority of the province especially its. south east and south western parts and also let's not forget that also took it back militias control terrorism. syria's north permissions all of ranch was conducted so it's a city in. and there is the syrian nation army i believe it's a whole bunch almost of the roads and most of the entry points of the us and exactly so so it isn't for a gun it's not going to like the last card to play or to hold its i mean he has

another areas but he definitely will you know do it is a most attempts to. to gain a maximum of it lip that you mentioned kurdish sensibilities of turkey earlier and my understanding is that russia is trying to be attentive to those. at the cost of a defacto partition of syria even though it's not quite clear whether turkey would be interested in that now i've seen some reports in western media about. some kurdish forces to be realigning themselves with the syrian army especially after the so-called american betrayal in the aftermath of a offering offensive do you think that is something that maybe i'm drawing air there once a year and making him a little bit more concerned about where both russians and the syrians stand at the moment that's one hundred percent right and it's already been held true rounds of

reconciliation talks between representatives of kurds over a few ideal. and syrian government in damascus so no deal yet struck. there are good. prospects for that and also played into hands of both. damascus and in moscow because that actually makes them more nervous and more negotiate on terms like that yeah we have russians who are partners with damascus and they also have quite good connections and ties with kurds so role in syria's north in golan heights. so that might be an option now an important player here is iran and the turkish iranian relationship is just as complicated if not more than the turkish russia relationship it was interesting that president referred to president rouhani ascii brother during the summit but surely you would agree that these brotherhood is not without its complications what is the iranian short term

and perhaps medium term objective in the bleep i think is iran who is in the is in the best position because i mean he sees his two friends going over no struggling our game and he's like you know staying a sign of the i mean on cue watching i was it right right right and that but it was a monkey but. iran has security is presence in syria i mean one hundred percent the only question is that what will be the degree overrun in military press and or konami presence in syria so for iran it's not really. a priority to see what happens with it but on the long run of course it's in iran's interest that damascus would gain control of one hundred percent of the territory because that would mean more access to the syrian territory but iran willing to wait a little bit is that what you mean that iran is not rushing so yeah now both

president rouhani and president are there on the garage the american presence in the eastern are you afraid region much more so than president putin why is that why is russia at least from my perception a little bit less. obviously as acting c.e.o. of the americans being there in the first place because it's putting the who will negotiating with americans that because i don't believe to trump when to go shoot the rouhani. on that so that's kind of like putting playing on the safe side here so in supporting this idea that you know foreign forces. legally. in syria should be must leave but in the same at the same time is like keeping his retore quite low and that's.

russia warns that terrorists are preparing a chemical attack in syria as it leaves province that is after crisis talks with turkey and iran and a tense debate at the u.n. security council. germany's security chief questions were bored and videos of anti-modern mobs in the city of kemah. a new political party in ireland pledges to follow britain's example and leaving the. latest on these stories you can head to argue dot com coming up in a form i talian finance minister in.