uncertain go bald eagle iop ok ok that's ok that's exactly what i want to get you're absolutely right but they're not so exhausted that they're not going to and they are doing it as we speak right now yeah liberating the city what we've actually seen so far is just the claiming of the low hanging fruit the real wars are yet to come and they could potentially be much much more significant i wear the regards to the strategy that the u.s. is deploying in syria i think the moon of alabama blog we put it we were just talking about it eloquently here it is here you are on this literally and this thing is here u.s. military illegally stays in occupied syria dot dot dot underpants da da da it would be wrong to. leave syria and the syrian government falls i mean that's the even if you're actually reading the same article here glenn it was there everyone had asked all foreigners have to leave syria except for the united states so why the turks will that remains to be

played out here and but there seems to be a move to create in effect a partition right now i mean the u.s. wants to create some kind of state autonomy semi-independent it will be dependent on the western powers primarily the united states no one in the in the region wants that may be israel. so. i think that it's going to have to appreciate the situation the united states is in at the moment in terms of what their initial objectives costs of course when they went into syria first supporting this. rebellion this is what i write whatever you want to call it however if we want to call it but of course the victims were somewhat clear you get rid of assad which is an important ally of iran you do consider annoyance to. and of course the reestablish u.s. mainly the regional of syria thought differently apparently. but i'm guessing now

we have the opposite iran has more influence there than it had in the past the u.s. a spin largely discredited in the region and of course russia's. security provider so you know if you do if you're from egypt or jordan if you want security in the region from now on you have to also book a flight to moscow so i think that. everything that we're in for has gone the other way and that's not necessarily a good thing because when you have this winner takes all situations that had other side a more historically the more you look into i guess the dissenting celine's david ignatius is interview with a high government. white house official about creating quagmires in syria the human usually the term strategic patience as applied to the united states in dealing with north korea but the russians have been strategically patient in syria you could tell in turn around blood amir putin is beginning to lose his patience with his partners and with the situation on the ground again the syrians i was in their patience with the war and of course the russians including the argument. in the

patients with the so-called international community i mean i watched the. session chaired by a victorious no went on syria and i was just disgusted you know. any reason why i mean example the french the french said that russia's was the main responsibility for the possible humanitarian catastrophe. prompts warmth cvo france was never invited there it is a former colonial power the french killed hundreds of thousands of syrians in the plaintiff's aintree and now they say this is all the responsibility there was. daughter in law and herself who just recently said russia was never going to be america's friend you remember and now she says she's calling on russia in the end of her speech where quote in order i shall walk with us walk with your no we never go. to be all friend but walk with us and then let me decode that means listen to

us and do what we say here more than we have this here just a very important very quick the united states has been warned about bad consequences in syria new riyadh the former prime minister of iraq said that the civil war would spread to iraq they said no and that it did spread their african union in libya the african union warned the united states that offer to cut off the falls there is going to be and way gratian disaster is going to be you know a carrier so it really didn't have the thousand to me there was no isis in iraq and there was no isis in syria has more of we here humanitarian catastrophe we've heard this many many times before look what happened with aleppo when it was liberated was there a humanitarian catastrophe no it was completely forgotten ok for the same thing the humanitarian forces of al qaeda were completely driven from the city. i mean this coming from the united states is simply rise above all right no one cried about

a humanitarian catastrophe when the u.s. was bombing the iraqi cities of. salt or uninvited the syrian cities of rock body men be when they were driving jihadists in this case isis out of western iraq and eastern syria and in fact in enter agency u.n. team and amnesty international on the ground in rocca after the u.s. offensive says it was the most destroyed city in the syrian conflict seventy to eighty percent of the buildings destroyed far more than two thousand civilian casualties and. this is you know the rhetoric that we hear from the united states basically it's saying when you are conducting counter terror against. the remnants of our proxies do what we

say not what we in syria are going to do think. it's interesting how trump is being played into this here because i think there's a lot of smart military people would think that the military strategy there in it isn't a military strategy in this point it's a political one it is it's creating and putting down a marker here. there could be a conflict with russia and all this is this been followed out or is it a bluff. well i think they can stumble into this again when you develop a strategy what distinguishes structure from policy is usually you have to predict what the other service will do and i think in this situation. too many arcturus with too many interests probably hasn't while there might not have planned everything out we often assume that they know exactly what they're doing but i don't think that they do and i think this quagmire strategy this is going to go to really the regular bit with other things that's happened here is you usually somebody must go then you invade the country but now they've been in the country

and then then they're deciding what should be done so this is regime change in reverse you know gentlemen to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on syria and staying. there are viable states if you want to start. there you go. back to. repatriation get the rest to seventy or. villages that kaiser or. in twenty forty you know bloody revolution to to correct the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be increasingly violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it just no lawyer here i mean you are liz

put video through to me in the new bill is that i'm spoiling you to the full ukrainian president recalls the events of twenty four. of those who took both sides invested over five billion dollars to assist ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. politicians do something to. put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president i'm sure. some will want to. let you go i would be pressed to say what the full story of the morning can't be good that i'm interested always in the waters and the how. this should.

welcome back to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle remind you we're discussing the situation in syria. ok let me go to markets kind of broaden this out i think kind of look at the interests and positions of some of the characters in this beyond donald trump go ahead yeah i think probably the most important from the very beginning has always

been turkey and earth to god i mean without the turkish border you know none of the u.s. saudi authorities supplies jihadi shipped around the world would get into syria and their role in that as as the base i mean the u.s. bases in turkey for illegally arming training and salary their jihadi proxies for regime change in syria were literally euphemistically named the moslems sensors and these are. centers in turkey. in the austin agreement this has always been kind of a geo political dance if you will imagine putin and erdogan waltzing across the chessboard with daggers poised at each other's back they both have interests that russia was trying to exploit the split of you know the disagreements between erdogan and the u.s. and nato. so specially over the kurds and so on you know and paying lip service to

turkish interests in there but what he was really trying to do is cut the other backers of regime change saudi arabia qatar the u.a.e. the u.s. u.k. france israel out of it right because we could deal with turkey he knew that supply lines you know the open border it was always about turkey in in this latest austin summit in tehran we saw the gloves come off and we saw the reality that it's been all along one of the things that glint i mean it seems to me that turkey is the ending of isolating itself it is it has kind of a tepid cool relationship with the us what would happen to the turkish lira the situation with nato obviously iran and russia or it with plans he doesn't want to see fall he's the odd guy out here and it's probably not a good position to be in preparing long no i agree and i think that is alienated

everyone now from the european two americans russia they have core serious well as well as the iranians don't trust them fully but i think. at this improvement of relations between russia and turkey the smart pointer can be a bit deceptive i think that this rift between the americans and the turks definitely have given russia some flexibility but at the end of the day as we saw and now in this meeting the interests are quite different and russia and turkey have mutual interests ok i don't call them partners in syria ok. no i think actually that's the irony of the whole thing that is serious where their interests would clash the most in other areas their interests are. much more aligned so i think that the split with the u.s. and also other interests in terms of a turkey considering leading living more to the east i think. weapon sales i think there's a lot of work in and i think that the gun perhaps was trying to use this is. because of this theme is the kurds ok because the u.s.

continues to support them but people on the ground do not want in northern syria in northeast syria they don't want to be ruled by. turkey. you know what would you call them they're all their assets ok and then at the same time they don't want to be ruled by these arab tribes that want to be ruled by the kurds so i mean it's kind of a hopeless situation there and then the u.s. is in the middle of a battle well when their u.s. moved in and when the destabilized situation in syria the destabilize the situation in iraq before consequences for unpredictable it's like starting a chain reaction you know and i'm not to ensure the united states is really guided by interests in this war situation because if we'll look at their resolves the results are abysmal for u.s. interests the united states failed to pull pull not even an anti west and president president assad was not anti western and mildly disagreeable he was called a reformer absolutely yes and the result is that they was they basically lost

a very important ally which is much more important than syria in libya they moved in or gay they didn't like he was killed now they have a civil war in the big migration current crisis in europe i see is so great in libya so if we judge the situation from the position of interests a bomber should be declared the most disastrous president in u.s. history simply because he's actions were against against the long term us things or . is this just refusing defeat i mean this is double down and keep trying what we've been doing before i mean he explained the brush analogy is just the empire is that messy on a commune good design is right i mean if it's interested in were the results i mean the result side of the ledger is pretty thin yeah i mean they of course refused to see that you know the increased iranian russian influences. is obvious blowback to what we all saw at the beginning of the conflict they have an inability to see that

and they also have an inability to admit defeat to russia that would have huge geopolitical import you know representatives of russia russia russian are going to go around the world they simply can't allow it so what the neo cons have been doing is all along since trump took office they've been planning to use the sea run spin to make to convince trump to become more active in syria not because of russia but because of iran and that has played out in what the us has announced as their new strategy i.e. they are never leaving their illegal military occupation of syria unless iran leaves all their troops home which is a matter between syria and iran. and the syria a syrian government that is acceptable to the international community to the we're not interested in regime change but we're not leaving until we get a government that is acceptable to the international community which means the

washington consensus here glenn. we've talked about this subject for so many times on this program here but really the issue that we have players like turkey that are unpredictable but one country that is absolutely predictable in all this is iran in iran has made it very very clear that will not allow the current government the political political arrangement in damascus to be forcefully overthrown that is their red line and that's what the u.s. cannot accept agree with that and do it would also be reasonable to suspect that they might be next in line once it was there from syria so i think it's just help to self-defense as well in addition to looking after an ally but i think their interests are clear because they clearly defined and been following it throughout the whole thing and they were invited you know wanted there yes which is was slightly ironic. the americans will set up an occupation solo in syria calling for

the iranians to pull back which obviously it wanted him to appreciate they're actually invited to stabilize the country so it's not so i mean if there's going to be a permanent presence here then it tells me that we will never get to a period of peace i mean this goes back to the quagmire comment which i think it was probably bolton or palm pale that said is it because they don't have a end game that they can achieve just keep stirring it up and i've kind of liken it to like a roulette wheel you know you throw the wheel you start spinning and then you throw the ball and you don't get the number you want let's spin it again that seems to me the strategy here which is very dangerous well i agree i think that a quagmire as well the setting up the occupation is only a small indication of an absence of a strategy because what they're saying is such an offer of a position. we're not sure what we want it or how we can get it. and see what opportunities comes in the future and we can negotiate with this quagmire so it's expensive. creates tensions and

a lot of it lead russia in iraq just like we did in afghanistan by supporting the move just a point to point b. well i mean when you compare it to a rule that i compare it to history i like. oh now i know why it will be the first time but i compare it to the ideal world of illusion that really bolshevists the basically you know spread on the ball i don't it's not historical this is absolutely i mean like we tried in conn agree we failed as a matter who trade would try again in germany in germany ok looking about we're needing a period after the first of all of the worst of all when russia was a radio ideological bolshevism was really in its early stages active and believe in itself so in the same way it all reminds me of the ok we failed in iraq you know iraq is a law and now you rainy and misguided report accidents reported that the next two there in. israeli territory doesn't matter we'll try again in libya we failed in

libya that's the method that ideology cannot be wrong you know people can be wrong individuals can be wrong we picked out the wrong candidate hillary clinton she was to do these if we would have a better one next time but we couldn't feel we couldn't use the idea you know he is a wrecked their ideology is correct so in the same way syria now or this document the united nations they're active on the. parameters and principles of u.s. aid to syria their idea of the document is that there should be no u.n. eight to reconstruct syria all until there is a political transition or maybe to this little maybe to the little statelet they will get. you know mark one of the things i find fascinating going back to the internal politics of the united states is that this is throwing today. but if it fails will strops fault isn't it it's his administration well i mean we could have completely ignore that it was obama who actually launched the proxy war on syria if

we want but i don't really i don't really see it that way because we see broad bipartisan support you know whether it's adam schiff. and. nancy pelosi doing meet and greets with the mujahideen you know video messages and so on there is broad bipartisan support the the two party war party came here to say this is mccain consensus is fully behind you know the u.s. stepping up their aggression against syria no but instead you know six a week if he stepped down they would blame the other three status has many fathers but failure is a bastard ok and i think this is you know in a there's a bipartisan support at the highest levels against president and they want to see him fail on everything ok even if it's a. in spite of me in spite of the interest of the united states and the world are

going to the last word well i agree with what mark said in terms of this a bipartisan interest in this in continuing this what is essentially a failed mission but the same time when i would point out of a lot of people in washington are noticing that this. moment is retracting and there is a vacuum an opening for being feels as if you are more aggressive in its allies here but even though recognize that this is the one who will have a good answer what now how i want to transition to the next point that out there that would like to work with russia as long as russia bus what is told so it's not really quite sure what will come next and i think. they should transition to building a wall on the southern border it's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guest here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember crosstalk.

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