the middle east it's something both moscow and beijing of long said but has nine eleven been forgotten by u.s. politicians president assad of syria tried to explain to c.b.s. is charlie rose now in the news for other reasons that u.s. military action in syria was linked to nine eleven and not in a good way before you begin the interest of the ninety one called to through the war that's going to support. and the theme people the. american indian of and. what country would defacto support those who attacked it as trump's pick for secretary of state has said the u.s. is exceptional unlike a perceived enemy like russia this is a this is a unique exceptional country russia is unique but not exceptional the usa is surely exceptional seventeen years ago after the nine eleven attacks al-qaeda was the enemy it was also the enemy of britain and some might say britain is exceptional in supporting those who have attacked it too they are bound together by the single

evil ideology of islamist extremism that preaches hatred so stiffish it and promotes sectarianism and yet as the international community including russia and china now work with president assad of syria to destroy al qaeda affiliates that are nice is diane what is treason maybe in saying up until even she has stopped u.k. tax where funding of those said links to al qaeda we need a political transition to a syria without assad but that tourism has long been a party on the wrong side of history for mandela to a end and it is on nine eleven tomorrow that salvador allende and all those the disappeared as a result of u.s. and british backed fascist cool be mourned well one man who has campaigned ardently against western interference in foreign powers is a drama is a former u.s. green party vice presidential candidate and joins me now via skype from colombia in south america jamie thanks for coming back on the program what happened on the eleven. september one nine hundred seventy three well you know that was

a day of infamy it was a day in which the signal a very aggressive term by the western powers led by the us to overthrow all of the progress the governments there were still in existence throughout the world it was a dane which not only did they all with over the unity government but in the aftermath they imposed a new model when bit became known as new liberalism yes milton friedman the chicago school of the kohanim it's often talked about in context of chile just give us some context just of about the violence in ninety seven three on september the eleventh and its immediate aftermath killed killings torturings and disappearances it was a it was a situation that can only be characterized as internal social terrorism the pinochet forces were committed to wiping out any traces of the agenda government and more

importantly a popular support for that or that government so we saw and we know that there were people who were tortured. thousands disappeared i mean many people lost their lives the the direct numbers of always been a dispute but what what what was important about about chile also was that is signaled a. two to progressive forces in the region and really around the world that the u.s. and western forces were committed to using maximum violence in order to protect their model direct military intervention a political destabilization was going to be the new weapons then new but the weapons that were to be used. to undermine any progress of attempts to advance a progressive and radical agenda britain's foreign secretary barres johnson resigned quite recently a new person is now here cherami hunt and he tweeted it was an honor to meet henry

kissinger in eighty two we did that in the past couple of weeks. still the echoes of september the eleventh i did seventy three in a tweet like that. of course and as it is relatively consistent consistent with the decision by the blair government and the end the positions of a many people him lead the current government in britain and is consistent with sort of generalized western opinion when it comes to a people like kissinger and activities humans involved in september the eleventh because it was the architect he's one that gave the green light is he in britain tomorrow mainstream media if it's going to cover the hemisphere you're in it he's the southern part of it it's going to be talking about venezuela a believer in revolution that sent me to conspiration from an salvador allende and in a way they've covered him and he's saying you see this is the kind of mess left wing

governments get and that the american countries and central american countries in two way and that's part of the ideological war to being waves i mean part of the war that we saw waged against chile i had a direct military component of course but it was really the illogical war that was an even more important instrument that was used you know invest drug war and subsequently so the characteristic. of the characterizing of the venezuela process as a failed process and membrane going into into the equation the fact that the economy has been systematically undermined by the us and western forces is part of that illogical war and we understand why they're being waged and we understand they potential consequences of that but you know we now surprise that those kind of characteristics are we not surprised that people have talked about the the

undermining the peace process in colombia we're not surprised that people are calling for. more western intervention into the reach of course tomorrow is also seventeen he is. and set another nine eleven the one in washington and new york do you think they'll be much time spent in the united states reflecting on the impact of u.s. foreign policy that some argue catalyzed that nine eleven. you know it remains to be seen as as we get further and sure that way from the original incident we can see that the state has been quite successful in using that attack to to rationalize its aggressive policies around the world we know that the so-called war on terror continues but the kinds of connections that should be made on nine eleven we don't think will be made i mean this is completely ironic all maybe consistent that we had this war on terror laura's on nine eleven. two thousand and one and

against al qaeda but today in syria we see that the trumpet ministration has warmed the syrian government and not you in vavasour of. a military attack on a territory is being basically controlled by al qaeda and there's no political reaction or political outcry over from the from the u.s. population or u.s. political representatives so it calls into question a really reveals the the phoniness of this war on terror and the fact it's been used as an instrument to the band us global hegemony more than anything else those kinds of connections i'm not going to be made on nine eleven this year but many of us we'll make those connections they mean britain and the united states are

repeating history again supporting islam is like they did the midget in afghanistan that would create al qaeda. those forces are have been there have been a very valuable to them without they those forces there be no justification for britain and for the us to still be physically in the middle east militarily well from the british media viewpoint the public came out to mourn a great us politician recently john mccain of course did support all those policies whether it be in afghanistan pre or post nine eleven what did you make of the unities to senator john mccain an attempt to syrian gauge and the most crass and strange historical revisionism that i've seen in quite some time it was a individual that they recognize warmonger or not seeing conflict and intervention by the u.s. or the rest of the lines or that he was opposed to it he is lionized as

a warrior for peace there were also tweets from british politicians and from the british media jeremy called him a german covens pendant parazit where over there when he signed it he disagrees with what you just said quite a lot he tweeted saying mccain was a was a great man but that's the kind of liberal left opportunism that we see now only in the us really throughout the western world it is it is opportunism and his political confusion we're not going to be able to move the people into real sustain opposition to the one percent as long as we allow ourselves to to be even a belated in this illogical war to topple him into legitimize individuals who are a whole so everything that people like bernie sanders says he's supposed to be you know in favor of but in another sense bernie sanders position is is that this is going to just remember he was

a want to said that the saudis should get their their hands dirty in the so-called middle east and right up that is when you have the obama. in saudi war being launched in yemen so these are this is the nature of a progressive politicians in places like united states of america but just finally in my briefing we talk about the chilean anniversary the washington new york then eleven anniversary this in the next few days as the ten year anniversary of the collapse of lehman brothers on wall street what do you think that means as to how we should reflect a decade on from the beginning of the crash that would of course create austerity we know the connection to should be may which should be the the the obvious. conclusion that there is a crisis a crisis of capitalism that has had a negative impact on mains that people are around the world i am bet this should

be another wake up call or a reminder if you will that we're not going to be able to address the material needs of the people globally as long as we continue to allow this is this greedy one percent to prop up a system that is then fundamental to climb so making that connection looking seriously at at the structure of the u.s. economy. and around the world are looking at the kinds of jobs are being created are looking at the kinds of. with all the still occurring are taking us in populist. resources from the pockets of the people into the military industrial complex pockets these are the kinds of connections we should be able to make but we are at a time of raga thank you. my pleasure after the break the mosque of am a key we examine the future of war propaganda and the political abuse of the working classes

with british painter and sculptor paul wager. going underground. in twenty forty you know bloody revolution two to ukraine the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it just a lawyer here. put video. spilling into the former ukrainian president recalls the events of twenty four g. and. those who took. invested over five billion dollars to assist ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. seemed

wrong but. just don't call. me. yet to shape out these days to come to advocate and indeed from an equal trail. when something find themselves worlds apart. just to look for common ground. ministries police forces and city administrations of many countries depend on one corporation and another by mike was hoping on the board just one from the good guys of god i'm just dumb is not the guns not with the doubt on him to see the most of them proprietary software you don't know the source code isn't that a such a security risk when you have a black box operating in the public eye to microsoft dependency puts governments under a cyber threat and not only that. the softness

of the essence of the. bloke on them or the. misuse or. with. the incident this is the. problem started on. the obvious from stopping the war from sitting on the as a front is up and describes in the fine. welcome back in the first half of the show we looked at the destructive reverberations of western intervention the thousands killed and us backed general augusto pinochet and the millions killed wounded or displaced and continuing was in the middle east from syria or afghanistan to the u.s. u.k. made bombs dropped on children in yemen but also the use of propaganda in the role of the media in the cheerleading of these wars from the hunt for w m d's to the coverage of the poisoning of spies pile when scotland yard scout

a terrible to come north to confirm russian government involvement but the front pages of papers can the futility of war and the abuse of power is examined by british artist paul wager his new exhibition requiem for the emblem of power is at the dead in the gallery in central london deputy editor sebastian packer went to speak to him with regard to current refers i think the mr russian of power is very concerned. at least to me as an artist and i think the abuse of power was probably the men motivation with regard to. the title theme of the exhibition. the power could be seen around the world in the form of awards these two pieces hair from your reflection from war series tell me so one spy duty to write well initially some probably getting on for thirty years ago i was at the light infantry

museum in durham city with my three sons who were just small boys at the time with me and julie my wife and we were looking through the museum and of course as human boys are interested in tongues and artifacts of war and so forth and we had to grit in the so the course of the i came across a german second world war helmet which was in a glass display unit and it was a helmet which had a an entry point of a bullet hole at the buck the best of the helmet and to the left on the side of the what would be the left the it was a muscle distortion where the active exit point of the bullet had to oversee penetrated the school and come out again at the other side and it made me think looking at my three sons the father of the man would have had the same experience of love and affection for his boy the same as i had for my three sons but it also

made me think regarding not just the victim of the tragedy but also the perpetrator of the crime as it were and also that the young man was in retreat so he wasn't a threat he was overseas running away and i just felt. with respect to him and his parents and again the reminder of my three children it would be nice to make a sort of small memorial to him you know that individual aspect of contract one case in thousands millions of young men that were killed in two world wars. so that was the beginning of the reflections on the war series that got mixed reservations overseas about war in general but i think the fact that the sophisticated element of warfare is quite worrying it's like only only worse sculpture which was a sculpture after that i started on after almost a victim. grubby or eminent is a very powerful statement but it's

a very personal statement similar to that of the individual consequences of action with regard to this young man who was in retreat it means in roughly probably over him and then it is pretty frictions away tears more serious matters we men now great afflictions do which is now in the twenty first century great afflictions a waiter's more savior as much as remained water we're going to do about the implication and the consequences of what's going on in the option of not just individuals in my case which are we're talking about but with nations like america . with the current situation with iran it's very very difficult to digest the propaganda that we're all fed with regard to the gist of occasion of these actions of imaginations throughout the world so it moves away from this individual conflict

which was which was initially when i was very interested in the same with tony blair in iraq everyone knows now that the there wasn't any threat of. you know weapons of mass destruction but it's a little bit too late now and the consequence of iraq has escalated in syria and my view is that a look at the current issues with. mr trump in these heavy hundred aspect of political shenanigans is that is this is a softening up of the public. in preparation for a further i suspect a conflict in iran and it worries me because the ordinary people in iran of the people who are going to suffer from the ton of civilian implemented by america unlike was in turkey you know the financial situation there is quite alarming and i think we need to be privy to the reasons without folger one of the paintings.

struggle is against the authorities do you think that prices like these back in the day or do you think that the media is now trying to separate more and more people will instead and from the bible is a very profound and i mean it's very very powerful and i find it's very very true because unfortunately we find our leaders do exploit the power to go out to tend to manipulate things i think the mrs mason example example is reason that tends to say one thing and then she's no sooner said it and she realizes the consequence of its decision and she manipulates it and changes it and i think this is a an aspect of politics which is very very concerning and it would certainly make reference that biblical reference very very valuable and relevant in current political issues and certainly those political issues when the us was when politics

fails it's the next step is war and does not resolve the nothing if you think in this in the in the short period between the first world war from the second world war when you think of the millions of men in combat that lost their lives on women of course was anything learned about you know it would appear not in the depressed area of the united kingdom the temperament which is to the side in particular how people we've got one of the highest if not the highest unemployment level in the country we got into the side of i think i believe we've got the highest level of prostitution and drug abuse and it appears to me that. it's already having working class volumes and you look at the implication of those values when the when the minus fight was on with mrs thatcher and so full of. and i always think.

in so much that it's ok to have political manipulation to suppress working class values and working class people but on the other hand when it comes to conflict the nation is dependent on those working class men because they're the ones who go to rule the sleeves up and go out and do the dirty work of the mistah direction of politics and i find that a lot and certainly today you look at the aspect of modern day warfare with troops the scent dogs afghanistan etc the rules of engagement to be different from the british to the americans. so i find it rather alarming that we have a conflict but politicians there well yes we've got to look at the moral issues in the moral values related to pulling the trigger in this particular situation so a young man is expected maybe nineteen or twenty to establish the engagement

direction from politicians i think will. do this by which time it could be dead it's very complex and we introduce that element of morality which to me if we were concerned about morality we wouldn't be there in the first place we wouldn't be in these wars which really is a tragedy for young men and it's very very sudden and i think we need to one of lies the implication of this and hopefully through the works of all that after it over many years it's. with the maining and there's a purpose there's a message there's a level of communication and quite frankly i look at coke's rate and i look at what's in cork street and what's in the morning and so forth of the royal academy for example i look at it and i think will is this really relevant to the twenty first century you know we talk about the twenty first century and the levels of excellence levels of technique and craftsmanship seem to have dissipated not all

not all in all cases but in and certainly a vast majority of the i think we need to look closely at so that the public can think well this has a maining it's got a purpose you have a piece of code mosque iraqi and you offer your last exhibition was called mosque about a king i guess based on the poem about the mosque or a piece of. thought look to reflect what that poem says about what happened that day i think it was a very relevant and with regard to someone being honest about the true. what happened. but in my opinion in it was no different. so many years own when winston churchill set the police only striking miners this was before the money strike of the seventy's with margaret thatcher because politicians tend to overreact i think in some cases i think with regard to the. the churchill episode

where he did set the place on the minus i find that very disappointing with regard to the profile that winston churchill has of the nation and likewise with margaret thatcher with the issues of the nineteen seventies and now particular where i live it's surrounded by dormant former mining communities once which with thriving with every house you provide now you know a lot of the house a border to the whole economy is totally changed in the mining community and in the ship ship building community in sunderland which is very sad but there again politicians make decisions in the go this done by them the musk of on ikey was an exhibition whereby the major piece of that exhibition. was a pig a piece of sculpture called erotic smile or a mess cooper to us which by coincidence happens to be the motto of the.

best symbol is the black rose and that motto in latin is rather small or i'm a scoop of us which means greed is the root of evil i believe the root cause of most of the conflict we have is because the round but all bogeyman money sadly it's quite blatantly obvious with the political aspect to certain elements of our own society that it's very very true you know if you look at people working for zero hour contracts minimum working wage and so forth and yet we're told that employments at its highest for so many years but what they don't tell us is that a lot of. these people their own zero hour contracts so again it's manipulation of the true facts it isn't the true picture it's the propaganda that they want us as ordinary working people to actually see it for the cause what happens is puts working class people against the values of people who are unemployed through

probably no fault of their own at the end of the day it appears that bunkers run europe not politicians. you have to have just about your bag in there without this ball wager if you want to go and see balls exhibition requiem for the end of the power you can go to the duds yani gallery street in central london wednesday's show comes from the home of sheffield steel when we talk to roger majid the british some on the lord of the south yorkshire city deal then keep in touch with us via social media that's up to the show we'll see you on wednesday the birthday of one of the most renowned reputed political prisoners on a imprisoned native american activist leonard peltier a rate of modern brando denied applauding by barack obama has been celebrated in music by rage against the machine pete seeger harry belafonte jackson browne mos def and you tube.

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy. let it be an arms race. spanning dramatic development only closely i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical of time to sit down and talk. prosecution. where you. just read you'll find. somebody's going to do i mean. political pressure on the. business models used by american corporations.

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