hello and welcome to crossfire for all things considered i'm peter lavelle u.s. president donald trump is on a complete reversal on syria a full one hundred eighty what accounts for this why and what's next. cross talking terms one eighty on syria i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark slobodan he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dmitri bobbitt she's a political analyst we spoke nick international and we have done these and he's a visiting scholar at the higher school of economics are german cross-like rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it we're going to fund the syrians they simply have no guts no desire for forty continued war so they're really irritated by this continuing uncertainty about ok ok that's ok that's exactly what we want to get you're absolutely right but they're not so exhausted that they're not going to and they are doing it as we speak right now yeah liberating the city what we've actually seen so far is just the claiming of

the low hanging fruit the real wars are yet to come and they could potentially be much much more significant i where the regards to the strategy that the u.s. is deploying in syria i think the moon of alabama blog we put it we were just looking at it eloquently here it is here you are on this literally on this thing it's here u.s. military illegally stays in occupied syria dot dot dot underpants. the wrong to. leave syria and the syrian government falls i mean that's the even if you're actually reading the same article here glenn it was that everyone had asked all foreigners have to leave syria except for the united states so why the turks will that remains to be played out here and but there seems to be a move to create in effect a partition right now i mean the u.s. wants to create some kind. my autonomy is semi-independent it will be dependent on

the western powers primarily the united states no one in the in the region wants that bar maybe israel. so. i think that it's going to have to appreciate the situation to the united states in at the moment in terms of what the initial objectives costs of course when they went into syria first supporting this. rebellion jihadist militants i want to write whatever you want to call it a however if we want to call it but of course the source somewhat clear you get rid of assad which is an important ally of iran. they're considered annoyance to to israel and of course the reestablish u.s. it must mean the regional of syria thought differently apparently. but i think now we have the opposite the iran has more influence there than it had in the past the u.s. a spin largely discredited in the region and of course russia's. security provider

so you know if you do if you're from egypt or jordan if you want security in the region from now on you have to also book a flight to moscow so i think that. everything that went for has gone the other way and that's not necessarily a good thing because when you have this winner takes all situations you had other side a more historically to be more understanding celine's david ignatius is interview with a high government. white house official about creating quagmires in syria the human usually the term strategic patience is applied to the united states dealing with north korea but the russians have been strategically patient in syria you could tell in turn around blood amir putin is beginning to lose his patience with his partners and with the situation on the ground again syria and so will be in their patience with the war and of course the russians including volume of. patients with the so-called international community i mean i watched the. session chaired by the . no went on syria and i was just disgusted you know. any reason

why the meaning of the french the french said that russia's was the main responsibility of for the possible humanitarian catastrophe. prompts. syria france was never invited there it is a former colonial power the french killed hundreds of thousands of syrians in the plaintiff's aintree and now they say this is all the responsibility there was. a victorian law and herself who just recently said russia was never going to be america's friend you remember and now she says she's calling on russia in the end of her speech where quote in order to show walk with us walk with your no we're never going to be our friend but walk with us and let me decode that means listen to us and do what we say here more that we have this not just a very important very quick the united states has been warned about bad

consequences in syria new riyadh in mali the former prime minister of iraq said that the civil war would spread to iraq they said no and it's it did spread their african union in libya the african union warned the united states that after cut off the falls there is going to be and migration disaster is going to be a carrier so it really didn't at least two thousand and three there was no isis in iraq and there was no isis in syria mark we hear humanitarian catastrophe we've heard this many many times before look what happened with aleppo when it was liberated was there a humanitarian catastrophe no it's completely forgotten ok the same thing the humanitarian forces of al qaeda were completely driven from the city. i mean this coming from the united states is simply rise of bull. no one cried about a humanitarian catastrophe when the u.s. was bombing the iraqi cities of. salt or uninvited the syrian cities of rock body man be when they were

driving jihadists in this case isis out of western iraq and eastern syria in fact in agency u.n. team and amnesty international on the grass. in rocka after the u.s. offensive said it was the most destroyed city in the syrian conflict seventy to eighty percent of the buildings destroyed far more than two thousand civilian casualties and. this is you know the rhetoric that we hear from the united states basically it's saying when you are conducting counter terror against al qaeda and the remnants of our proxies do what we say not what we did in syria you know if you think. it's interesting how trump is being played into this here because i think there's

a lot of smart military people would think that the military strategy they're in it isn't a military strategy at this point it's a political one it is is it's creating and putting down a marker here. there could be a conflict with russia in all this is this been followed out or isn't a bluff. well i think they can stumble into this again when you develop a strategy what distinguishes structure from policy is usually you have to predict what the other serous will do and then i think in this situation. too many arcturus with too many interests probably hasn't well they might not have planned everything out we often assume that they know exactly what they're doing but i don't think that the do and i think this quagmire strategy this is going to go to really the regular bit with other things that's happened here is you know usually somebody must go then you invade the country but now they've been in the country and they're then they're deciding what should be done so this is regime change in reverse you know or the other gentlemen to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on syrian

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interests and positions of some of the characters in this beyond donald trump go ahead yeah i think probably the most important from the very beginning has always been turkey and erdogan i mean without the turkish border none of the u.s. saudi supplies jihadi shipped around the world would get into syria and their role in that as as the base i mean the u.s. bases in turkey for illegally arming training and cellaring their jihadi proxies for regime change in syria were literally euphemistically named the moslems sensors and these are. centers in turkey. in the austin agreement this has always been kind of a geopolitical dance if you will imagine putin and erdogan waltzing across the chessboard with daggers poised at each other's back they both have interests russia was trying to exploit the split of you know the disagreements between erdogan and

the u.s. and nato especially over the kurds and so on you know and paying lip service to turkish interests in there but what he was really trying to do is cut the other backers of regime change in saudi arabia qatar the u.a.e. the u.s. u.k. france israel out of it right because he could deal with turkey he knew that supply lines you know the open border it was always about turkey in in this latest austin summit in tehran we saw the gloves come off and we saw the reality that it's been all along what will. one of the things that clint i mean it seems to me that turkey is the ending of isolating itself it is it has kind of a tepid cool relationship with the u.s. look what happened to the turkish lira the situation with nato obviously iran and russia or it ards with plans he doesn't want to see fall

he's the odd guy out here and it's probably not a good position to be in preparing long no i agree and i think that he's alienated everyone now from the european two americans russia. have core serious well as well as the iranians don't trust him fully but i think. this improvement of relations between russia and turkey is a smart pointer can be a bit deceptive i think that this rift between the americans and the turks definitely have given russia some flexibility but at the end of the day as we saw and now in this meeting they are their interests are quite different to russia and turkey have mutual interests ok i don't call them partners in syria. no i think actually that's the irony of the whole thing that is serious where their interests would clash the most in other areas their interests are. much more aligned so i think that the split with the u.s. and also other interests in terms of turkey considering leaving leaving more to the east i think. weapon sales i think there's a lot of work in there and i think that the gun perhaps was trying to use this is

a real wrinkle in all of this is the kurds ok because the u.s. continues to support them but people on the ground do you not want in northern syria in northeast syria they don't want to be ruled by. turkey. you know what would you call them they're all their assets ok and then at the same time they don't want to be ruled by these arab tribes that want to be ruled by the kurds so i mean it's kind of a hopeless situation there and then the u.s. is in the middle of a battle well when their u.s. the and when the destabilized situation in syria go away the destabilize the shia. in iraq before consequences were unpredictable it's like starting a chain reaction you know and i'm not even sure the united states is really guided by interests in this war situation because people look at their resolves the results are abysmal for us interests the united states failed to paul paul not even an anti western president president assad was not anti western and mildly

disagreeing he was called a reformer absolutely yes and the result is that they was they basically lost a very important ally turkey which is much more important than syria in libya they moved in or k. they didn't like khadafi qatar who was killed now they have a civil war in libya migration current crisis in europe isis operating in libya so if we judge the situation from the position of interests a bomber should be declared the most disastrous president in u.s. history simply because he's actions were against against the long term u.s. interest. is this just refusing defeat i mean this is double down and let's keep trying what we've been doing before i mean he explained the brush analogy isn't just the empire is it missy and he can mean these areas right i mean if it's interested in were the results i mean the result side of the ledger is pretty thin i mean they of course refused to see that you know the increased iranian russian

influences is after the first of the worst of all what russia was really ideological bolshevism was really in its early stages an active and believe in itself so in the same way it all reminds me of these ok we failed in iraq you know iraq is a law and now you rainy and miscellaneous reporting accidents reported that the next to their israeli territory doesn't matter who try again in libya we failed in libya doesn't matter that ideology cannot be wrong you know people can be wrong individuals can be wrong we picked out the wrong candidate hillary clinton she was too devious if we will have a better one next time but we couldn't. we couldn't use the i.v. you know he is a wrecked their ideology is correct so in the same way syria now is this document united nations they're active on the. paramount us and principles of u.s. aid to syria their idea of the document is that there should be no u.n. eight to reconstruct syria or there is

a political transition or maybe to this little maybe to the little statelet they will get. you know mark one of the things i find fascinating going back to the internal politics of the united states is that this is throwing the dice but if it fails will strops fault isn't it it's his administration well i mean we could have completely ignore that it was obama who actually launched the proxy war on syria if we want but i don't really i don't really see it that way because we see broad bipartisan support you know whether it's adam schiff. and. nancy pelosi doing meet and greets with the mujahideen you know video messages and so on there is broad bipartisan support the the two party war party came here to say this is mccain consensus is fully behind you know the u.s. stepping up their aggression against syria no but instead. it was if he

stepped down they would blame the other three status has many fathers but failure is a bastard ok and i think this is known and there's a bipartisan support at the highest levels against president they want to see him fail on everything ok even if it's in spite of me in spite of the interest of the united states in the world they're going to the last word well i agree with what mark said in terms of this a bipartisan interest in this in continuing this what is essentially a failed mission by the same time. i would point out it's a lot of people in washington are noticing that this is the in a polar moment is retracting and there is a vacuum in opening feel that's not aggressive in its allies but even though recognize that this is the one who will have a good answer what now what the transistor next call c.s. the point that out there that would like to work with russia as long as russia does what it's told so it's not really quite sure what will come next and i think i do

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