that. we had lines here on our team in the u.s. and russia trade barbs at the un over the syrian government's plan to retake rebel held province coexistence with terrorists is impossible those are ruled branches of al qaida which we have been fighting since the terror attacks in two thousand and one all we've seen are the actions of cowards interested in a bloody military conquest of it and that's the side bombing kills thirty two people at a rally in afghanistan against a local police chief while the twin blasts in the same province targets school go worse during morning rush hour. a million cab plans filled the streets of.

their regions and national day in a huge show of support for independence from spain. you can find out all about those stories over on our web site i'll be back what they had lines in an hour it's time right now though it's crossed out here on our team for national. hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle peering into the abyss the syrian arab army is determined to liberate and to eliminate the terrorists they are essentially ending this international proxy war the u.s. and its regional allies are dead set against this why is the trumpet ministration

siding with terrorists. talking syria i'm joined by my guest adel darwish in london. he's a political commentator and author of the book the edge of war in leeds we have seen shah he is the senior lecturer in middle east politics at the university of bradford and in beirut we have niamh solemn he is a professor of international affairs at notre dame university all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to the best dressed man on television adel darwish in london i love your voice. i don't explain something to be allowed to july of last year we had the american delegated to oversee dealing with the situation in syria direct and boy said the greatest concentration of all of terrorists in the world isn't it good and he identified them is al qaeda and associated groups now we have

remarkable turn around in the last days and weeks is that no that the syrian government is warned not to liberate its own territory and not to apparently seemingly not to lay a finger on anyone and it live how do you account for this major reversal i think it's a four letter word and it's called the iran but go ahead. well of course iran is a measure player and factor here. are you never really a subscriber to conspiracy theories but actually it looks to me like. become like a fix become like america and probably we in britain dragged. things stand behind them there is actually managing the problem giving the problem and managing it like you have something you cannot eat consume we don't want to throw away so you freeze it. every area liberated by the city and out of our army

we have seen insistence from america that the terrorists groups like about the north like. and others leave. and go to a concert they have now where will this terrorist go. if your and russia don't want them because most of them were actually were from now from other places nobody else won them and turkey of course doesn't want them although that in the beginning facilitated the supply of arms these famous stay with us for them and so on so keep them there until the problem is solved because if. liberated a there would be a lot bloodshed be that nobody wants them then as i said comes iran iran with hezbollah israel and so on yeah ok i get the point that but then why were these terrorist coddled funded salaried given arms i mean exactly exactly now nobody

wants them i mean i read this piece of fiction by erda one in the wall street journal you gotta read this the world must stop assad i mean i've never seen such political friction written by a leader i mean he doesn't deal with everyone doesn't deal with how he's been part of this problem and directly to book a go ahead in leeds yaar. absolute riot said to me over the last two or three years any time that the syrian army and its allies managed to take all the regions there was an agreement for rebels and their families to move to a different region then i said to me over the last couple of years and live it has been kind of a very attractive distin a ships for a number of groups in particular. which is primarily made all for the

format kind of finances but what makes at least important and is sufficiently sensitive for serious players in the civil war is not necessarily the concentration of the concentration or fifty's of rebels or fred terrors what. it's talk of free as you know it has a front with turkey and despite the hype that he has been a bit even an important player in the civil war over the last seven years these specific area these only region. today he can't clean is khan of controlling so this is the only one getting chip. it has it is a conflict controlling decision and specifically for decision it has been able to be part and parcel. of the picture

a very important power broker and we know that if basically if he set of getting to get all the by deceiving and military and allies it can have serious consequences not only so he can do so it's a kind of a strategic vision but had him time it can pave the way to another a refugee crisis that has already said he's not up at all let me get in my make me go to. he wrote here i mean i'm kind of a variation of the same question that i just asked i mean did anybody think about these things the law of unintended consequences i mean where these peaceful people are supposed to go i mean number one i think every country in the world every government the world should say that they want to wash their hands and have nothing to do with these terrorists and it might be a way to start negotiating ok but also saying with beirut i mean you know it seems to me that turkey is is really dirtying the waters here because it you know the everyone was just with rouhani in total and then now he comes out with this op ed

in the in the wall street journal and it's very unclear what he wants to do and i'd like to correct i mean they're not controlling northern syria they're occupying and it is an illegal occupation no one in northern syria that i am aware of asked them to come in ok so how is the the turkey card playing in all this name in beirut where. turkey has been responsible for. the war seventy percent of the war on syria and the destruction of syria so. now it has opened its border with syria eight hundred sixty kilometers border with syria to terrorist groups from all kinds of countries perhaps more than a. company with terrorists came into the door. and it was not a problem of syria so

a mistake. primarily responsible for what is going on in syria as far as the violence that has to spread all over the company and those also that back the groups which they collected from the muslim world and none of them order from europe as well and shipped them to syria now they are scratching their head and they don't know exactly what the heck they. we would like to do exactly know that they would be defeated yeah exactly they know they would be pretty good. ok. we're out we're getting close to the break and let me go to adele here i don't know i mean i think your point your first point is really is perfect is spot on is that the u.s. and its regional allies including syria they want to freeze the status quo when it comes to in the mean time i would point out the u.s. is attempting to establish some kind of semi autonomous semi independent state in south in the north east which is really quite interesting here is and in the tone

and tenor is that now it's all about iran it's not about it will be more and they don't want and they don't want any kind of semblance of a victory for assad because that would be a victory for russia go ahead and london. yes i mean it's a it's a cold war. or a mini cold war be afghanistan and he played all over again and the lesson of. which you yourself. stepped into would say. the think of the unintended consequences and three most important when russia intervened so years ago it had a strategy and the plan there was talk about actually dividing syria and to different tones bought the strategy of russia to keep the geographical in dignity of syria not pro-us they don't care about that that's not going to be replaced the

people of syria come bring another regime but it's actually keeping the graphic and figure if you have to if that's actually happened. america which he did not have a strategy would see that as a victory for russia if assad to remain is also a victim of iran because he. and as well as for them as well and so on so establishing this sort of foothold a medic. and prisons maybe some kurds will be exactly saw. for that and then that's what turkey doesn't like the kurds but at the same prime is another book out author school water wars which actually was covered actually on russia with a few years ago there's a conflict of actually water between syria iraq and turkey and that was actually the long term animosity between the musk us and then there is also a border there is also natural gas and oil ok let me go to what we have one minute

left i want to go back to of seen here i mean does the u.s. have a long term strategy other then we're not going to leave that to what it seems to me. the problem with these certain ministration is thirteen order or a lot of mixed messages coming from washington about their grand on a foreign policy which is you know what it is it was only about five months or if you remember president trump said that once we have defeated there are leaks take going to resume from syria but only a short while ago some high ranking american military officials there stated that actually shittiest now have changed and he's no longer about getting a new nation or crisis we go into a state in syria couldn't is as long as the bases he. iranian and hezbollah forces are still active in c.

we're going to remain on a military presence and more importantly they have a stated that as long as there is no friendly regime which is acceptable to the syrian people and this little international community then east peace and justification what american military that's what you're going to go to war we're going to go to a break here but ok all those late goals and demands will be waiting until hell freezes over for that to happen we're going to go to war breaking out about your break we'll continue our discussion on syria state with r.t. . america face for the next actual threat like china becoming a superpower and will get its act together like we did during the cold war after russia put up but next the u.s.

plan around the world that's why most of the world and look if we have an existential crisis coming down the path guys like trump and other are going. you know leaders will mobilize the country and i welcome this challenge because right now america doesn't have anybody else out there to play with you know it's. been twenty forty you know bloody revolution to. the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be increasingly violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it you still were here i mean you know i live with to do with me in the new bill is that i'm the schooling you go to the former ukrainian president recalls the events of twenty forty. eight in this studio over five billion dollars to assist ukraine in these and other polls that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic.

i've been saying the numbers. matter us is over one trillion dollars and. more than ten dollars going to have to. increasing the number of particularly in syria that number of u.s. troops now in syria are about sitting so i was on troops and that is better ya dicks that's by the pump administration mr bolton and mr bolton that they want what . based on that claim is that the old claim is chemical weapons well this is a farce. and mr trump clearly is into it so despite all of the things he said that he doesn't want war it seems that the policy of the united states is coming again to emphasize that the u.s. will stay in northern syria and this was said yesterday by the time get noticed that he said that they were they are not going to withdraw from northern syria in

fact the u.s. troops. which are about sort of peace in many period. camps and bases in north eastern syria east of the euphrates there you know it's all of those places in syria is approximately. thirty to forty thousand square kilometers. more than three primers bigger than my company lebanon and more times that this is . already used to produce about three some of them three hundred thousand better of oil every day. it's an asset grab and well here i mean what they mean are american on the one growing they want to be a spoiler they go on to syria to have the resources to rebuild that's how i see it once this conflict and exactly adel. i guess people don't remember the cold war very well you know i keep hearing that newsrooms all over the world in the western

world are run by twenty somethings you know and they like to play with social media all day long i remember the cold war pretty well and it was something we all worried about now you know seeing the u.s. in a very cavalier way saying not only are we going to i can't use that kind of simple language of donald trump you know we're going to work we're going to make it hurt you're going to syria hurt and everyone else on the russians only in the iranians as well or anyone else here that helps them ok very cavalier language he didn't use that during the cold war you know why and i almost never i almost never like to quote barack obama but you know elections have results in this is what's happening ok we have results here the american people voted against these foreign wars and now this is a promise broken go ahead. while the midterm election. for the congress is going ahead we have seen out of the competition between the two but

if you if we have because i was a reporter. during the cold war sixty s. . seventy's eighty's. in the cold war. moscow and london and washington. and. those. were talking to each other. now what i'm worried about is the absence of dialogue with us number one then we have a member of nato which is supporting one saw it which is the terrorists had led and. most sort of a sponsible way is actually the use of the military threat we have seen both on talking in that off about something. that we buy. by a president from now if they actually find then execute like when you have

a corrupt a police man putting some drugs into someone how is he doesn't like to go on the rest him. some stage. and actually use the military action against syrian military assets then it would be that proves my theory that the actually do do not want. to actually be got rid of these terrorist groups yeah but you know which end of the cold war yeah i mean i've seen but you know i mean i guess you know for a lot of people in the us watching this program what is the geopolitical. importance of it to the united states i mean it's never explained congress has never consulted you know and then you have this ongoing support of all on all different level support of terrorist groups like al qaeda in yemen and in syria

here so i mean is it what is the geo political importance of it is it just to be a spoiler because that's what it looks like to me go ahead. now let me go to your leave here let me get a little let me go to leeds go ahead of shape i don't think get your polluting the united states. in. but if you're talking about the north east region which is currently controlled by syrian democratic sources. then we can see the united states has some cities interests that i personally don't like to use commas. i recall turns because i believe that history never repeats itself but if you read it i have to insist using terms like the cold war perhaps we can assume that what you are beginning to see induce phase to see in all what we see is kind of general money for each nation to consume what they mean by

germanic occasion if you do remember that just because of the second will all the country effectively was divided between two different spheres or influence i think. in one leader or another will go ahead what i do. it challenges the issues of the north east is not going to get their way it's not going to go away any time soon because the united states through the kurdish proxies he's a very much interest to maintain a military prison comms older indonesian and at the same time other important players like russia and iran have already asserted that they are there. to work to a sig effectively this is going to pave the way to what i would just sit on of the german occasion of syria and these tensions are potentially can go on for many

years decades. ok so that that got your partners go back to beirut so i mean i remember this we were talking about this actually a couple years ago i was almost the end in cement there's going to be a partition the brookings institution at this big plan and all that and of course that works for israel's interests but at that but this is not what the syrian people want i mean i think there's always this assumption that they have no they have no autonomy or agency here i mean it seems to me if we look at what happened with aleppo remember it's going to be a humanitarian crisis catastrophe went on for months and months and months it was liberated and people came back to the city. as a matter of fact the easter after the liberation christians celebrated easter not unlike ill for so many years ok so i look at this hype in the media because that's all it is here and i agree with a of sheen their goal of this operation is going to go forward to liberate it live go ahead in beirut. well clearly the american strategy. seeks

to keep the conflict and the violence in syria festering festering as long as possible. every area in syria that had terrorist groups the united states the western country britain and under france they did all they could they could in order to end on gate the presence of those two groups in those areas there was an ngo to allow a lot sharper yellow to learn a lot of southern syria etc so the biggest concentration now of terrorists now in syria is in edlin there was there were more than forty thousand tons shipped from other parts of syria until it looked and there were about certain sort of the five thousand terrorists stationed in the first place in so now there is a big concentration of these terrorists and the united states would like and prefer

is that they be kept somehow in syria to cause a problem to the regime in syria and that's what turkey also wants and therefore has a big hope plan now is to threaten the regime certain the syrian government not to attack ad lib and not to lead to liberate but the way i see it clearly. government they were ready with what we've just heard mindset ok we're storm out of. ending the. terrorists rebel rule there i agree history doesn't repeat itself but it. the strong echo when you deal with these types of terrorist groups that's all the time we have many thanks to my guess in london leeds and in beirut and thanks to our viewers for watching us here see you next time and remember crosstalk.

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