and as the trades union congress celebrates its one hundred fiftieth anniversary today we go to the site of the battle of all greed where ten thousand of office goggles and u.n. miners were attacked by thousands of police following the lord mayor's appeal to home secretary sajid javid we speak to the general secretary of your new m. and a minor arrested on that day. that's all coming up in today's edition of going underground well i mean the lord mayor of sheffield's office and with me is the lord mayor of sheffield will bet thanks so much for letting all you know i'm going to. ask you how come you're here there are pictures of the first lord mayor sheffield william jeff gold a rather mining company. you. and you know why it's honestly me being lowered my is such a celebration of so many other people about me with be

a mother who made sacrifices will be friends who grabbed me and so the people of sheffield who really put their faith in me and chose me to be the lord mayor so it's it's just amazing i kind of feel as if like i am just merely a reflection of sheffield at the moment and it's just i mean i generally do feel privileged knowledge to hold this position then with something that happened the past forty eight hours one of your many initiatives on mental health of all of you being yes each month i choose a campaign to focus my attention kind of really suck on pain so july was the whole anti trump rally and advance i'm coming to the u.k. and august it was minus campaign for justice and then this month for me kind of wants to kind of touch on the topic of mental health especially as we lead as it was and well suicide prevention day on monday so i kind of thought well. how can i just country be a bit more and actually just get behind the amazing way it's already happening so i

kind of with the help of local charity and the public health department or the council put together a u.k. suicide prevention charter because at the moment the numbers we have hundred fourteen people will go through to suicide completion each week and there's a lot we can be doing as members so for me it was a case of putting these charts together and trying to get as much institutions to create an enhanced policy that they may already have when it comes to mental health and specifically suicide prevention because some might say that this position of the lord mayoralty has to be a political mental health arguably a political even prince harry and regular marco royal family talking about that no one doubting of course that isn't an important issue but it's you know what it is. i mean like all grieving of course well it's everything you do people keep talking about. people would rather me not what the bow or just play it

safe i'm afraid i was a wasted opportunity like i'm blessed enough to hold this position for me every single thing you do is political when i even became lord mayor i kept hearing stuff like oh we're with this how we always do it we've always done it like this there man and like a lot of negative like how good is are you breaking tradition like you need to not do things so different i'm like well i completely like saying we've always done that this is not an excuse like we used to have terrible tradition which we no longer do and you can form new traditions but more important i question everything i've been doing from but why are we doing it what's the benefit of it how can we change it to benefit the people sheffield obviously is a changing city is a vast. progressive change is sitting of course and if you look at how we have more in bags we've or if it's the one percent early point five percent remain but even then i generally believe it's a very exciting place when it sheffield's a place where we really don't compromise on who we are is

a case of you know lovers or you like and some believe briggs is progressive of course but yeah one in four may be in poverty in this city with a few miles from this officer or the worst social indicators it's the brunt of all stories here of the banking crash what's it like to represent as a road where a city with african issues yet is first of all it's big responsibility to make sure to make sure that those voices who feel different there not be and had be represented i'm bringing to the forefront first and foremost we're right due to austerity and all the cuts that we've had it means a lot of vital services a heavily under pressure and i'm sure many of our cases across the country like sheffield but we really are pushing the north are facing the brunt of that and is like. first it's always trying to come up with creative solutions to problems fair enough we have got the best start but we can't let that be an excuse for us not to

provide services or try and come up with innovative ways to solutions you say so we just doing the best that we can now can we do it but you would agree that we needed the austerity to pay off the losses by the banks made down south in the city of london and you know what it is but i personally feel of this like we as a country we're very we have got a lot of money and to be saying that we haven't got enough money for via services i just don't but i feel as if general is a political decision when we can find a billion pound for the do you pay when we can find millions a pound to go to war and keep saying we haven't got enough money to do that. with yeah but it's also like as part of the coalition deal to keep tourism in schools but it's also for example like it's nice and well i look at me i'm lord is my example stories like mine are very hard to come by because this is government's hostile environment policy so when we're having to refuse refugees than for example other kids we refused three thousand child refugees from syria because we said we

didn't have enough money yet we can find more money to go to war to bomb see which is inevitably to cause more child refugees for us to say we haven't got enough money to take him in so i look for a long time just fail to believe them and say that we haven't got enough when i was all just a political agenda do you think we'll informs you there is your heritage similarly when it's famously said. is a place bomb under barack obama or it should be. central to the drone campaign in africa is just not in somalia look at what's happening in yemen and in syria it's just a case of like. we just like of course is that we need to be treating people people are humans but i just feel as if. our foreign policy times is the best if i mean as an affair of the flight some time is completely cruel the blairites on the labor party and conservatives and some liberal democrats all say we must get involved in these wars to protect people whom yeah but i would completely say our regard and

well look what happened in the whole situation in iraq how did that help us as a country when the whole point of bombing iraq was because weapons we all there was based on lies and look what's happening with libya or do not say it's a case of we'll we want to better the people of libya and support them look at the situation in libya as i'm still yet to see us like those other countries go into a country and actually bombing them and see the benefits of it. if you think opposite i'd love to hear what the benefits like what positive that actually buy in any example the moment we start treaty and people as numbers and targets and nash's humans fill us with a problem as where we should be trained people with compassion and i think that's why our times we kind of got it wrong but what was your thoughts about the government finally getting to grips maybe with the windrow scandal where africa

will be in britain's will being deported almost as it's appears out of the country as for the way they dealt with it was complete shambles if i mean honestly fair enough they may be now trying to tackle i'm not better. that's not to say a word with the amber alert or three of the most time the whole this is going on for a long time but recently came to light so it's nice to see things of advance on our boat by what it seems getting better but i feel as if i we've still got a long way to go in terms of how we tackle that i just then with the whole policy area to be honest i mean it's just i feel as if. yeah just going by so point i'm just going with treating people with compassion i did we're talking about people who've lived here when george said i've contributed to the country in so many different ways and i've been told they're no longer welcome in the u.k. you wouldn't want vans going in your city not on telling people to shop their neighbors denotation which is of course opposed over the government another initiative you said that you backed with orgreave initially the government to be

had to be backing an inquiry backing the independent police complaints commission of inquiry why do you think the government says there is no need for an inquiry into the battle of or grief that took place in this office i can't speak for the government if i'm being honest about why i do understand is that we need a public inquiry to happen because there's still family suffering today and i don't know if you've seen the last hour what subject of it is just asking for the president of course home secretary and. i don't honestly so much admiration a commendation to the people august just his campaign who are courageously constantly actively campaigning on this issue and for me as lord mayor and something within chef it i think is only my something i want to get behind and especially when people on is actually on when i actually got behind the campaign was the first of august it happened to be yorkshire day and it's also a very yorkshire based campaign as well you see the b.b.c.

of apologise for reversing the riot footage lots of the newspapers are saying we knew that ok ten thousand miners were involved as police we knew everything way why have an inquiry into this because if it's fair and just so we know the police were wrong in the situation we know there's a lot it just says so instead of saying oh he well it's like fair enough we made a mistake but there's still ongoing sufferings and consequences to those evidence so we need to get to the bottom of this because otherwise that justice will always be that they'll never be a case where the people of all grief will feel different they've been treated in a fair and just way so it's something i always tell people just where the right side the job to do what you can to did he reply he did not reply some believe that it was supposed to be a lesson or grieve for every worker to obey their boss is a kind of the beginnings of a new liberalism when these workers were fighting for what they perceived as their

rights the thing that sways not replying to geno well i am there's hundreds in the hundreds of people wrote right so i don't think the reason of a prize because it isn't one so i just come above it i can i don't know but as you say a case of he's just clearly not interested doesn't want to do anything about it but that's not a reason for myself about if you like i'll be lines if i said you know i want to write some i think is going to is going to agree to many because i'm going to of course i didn't expect that. but for me as well as writing same it was more important like in the way of one twin for me was to bring awareness of the cause because that's why i can do so for if i can give an inquiry myself if i can highlight the issue using my hometown really just bring awareness to that campaign that was my main focus i think. was going to respond to me and i before me was trying to spread awareness of that company and thank you after the break as

declassified papers reveal a plan by mrs thatcher to teach a lesson to work because it is to raise of a covering up the crimes that all grieve with thousands battled in the south yorkshire countryside against what has become a neo liberalism that's all coming up a lot to have going on the ground. i've

been saying the numbers mean something they matter the u.s. has over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten white collar crime stamped each day. eighty five percent of global wealth you long for the ultra rich eight point six percent market saw thirty percent just last year some with four hundred to five hundred three per circuit first second and fifth point rose to twenty thousand. china's building two point one billion dollar a industrial park but don't let the numbers overwhelm. the only numbers you need remembering the one business show you know to miss the one and only. welcome back where it all grieve in south yorkshire the site of one of the defining

moments of international neoliberalism thirty four years ago ten thousand miners many actually escorted to a steel coking plant in orgreave south yorkshire were brutally attacked by a haps five thousand police germy corbin says the first act of a neighbor government will be to launch an inquiry into what happened on the eighteenth of june one thousand nine hundred eighty four something prime minister tereza may has rejected critics say her refusal is to protect her late leader margaret thatcher who classified papers show is implicated in a conspiracy to teach the most powerful trade union in britain a lesson that all workers in the u.k. would for ever learn they believe it pave the way to today's deregulated neoliberal work system of zero hours contracts and casual labor well joining me now is kevin horn from the orgreave truth and justice campaign he was at or grieve in june one thousand nine hundred eighty four given what happened here thirty four years ago

and there is a police riot. on the minus react they way they were just discussing to say on the day. that the horses wrongly. factory sell. the horses to. the miners appear appear almost into which will be maybe nearly ten thousand minus five thousand police. five six thousand police when i saw that when i first saw the place i came over the picked. on the word. i thought they were on the actually because of what though much of the information in the field and the word t.v. on the front line these are not about five thousand then you know it just just started by on the horses in the dogs. they weren't even on the frontline at the time. and some of the ten thousand miners were actually a school shit by the police to the field that used to be there yeah on that day.

not like any other day we could get any and. we were being stopped enough to get infuriated obviously and come come we need it on all the days but this day on the eighteenth the law as in they just let everybody in on door showing coaches from south wales wed to. and from scotland and durham and kent. people from can pick it from can couldn't even get through the dots a tunnel all the cycle to that day in southern england in london. so on this day they were all shown in. a given pocking spaces and rounded up in a field. just over the bridge there ready to. read it to be big and. on bills he be below going to necessarily know about i

mean what did it feel like when i maybe you were you you'd be in charge of a riot which at that time was a life imprisonment event when the b.b.c. . clearly showed the british public that it was you and nine thousand ten thousand a lot of the miners it was it was you being violent what did you all feel about. well. a lot felt about it was it was there it was there all the way around that the place will be in violent what it was literally the other way round the footy but yeah it was the other way around and the place of. being violent on. and we realised that we shouldn't have gone we realised that when we saw all these bullies we should have gone on we realized that later we were to let that we really have for the duration. or several times throughout the day when my people saw well

go on. but when the when the. horses first jobst it wasn't the quiet time after the wagons had gone. after after the wagons had been killed oh and gone home and faithful coming up to the eyes of the store appear on bias i would just and i screams and things and. that was a time that the police the officer shot just. when my man was out on the grass eighteen so we did. it wasn't the the i told the. pull it off and then would then usual blood i got arrested at the bottom and so. i didn't see the blowed and so until i got into into a police station. where i were going to feel police station in there and i could see that the other moaning and groaning and screaming is still. on di we got

transferred to a rather a. and when i got out i would tell myself with a lot we could see blood and snot and you run all over the place. how we saw somebody had been really you know and that never got to rather and the point was in a quadrangle with all the other prisoners and the people there would swallow and ads and scrolls and drop nouns and like bees. and no medical attention. as soon as i walked in some to grab hold of me jumper and tied tightly around the slabs leg and that's the last or were doing the mine as well the first ten then trained on the one. said on these men oh oh well they. caught it off to prison. so i'm with prison. and until. after everybody had been in to magistrates go why do you think to raise them

a seemingly gone back on was before she resigned in disgrace seemed to say which is there would be an inquiry into the battle of all green what do they want to hide. the want to either the government were directly involved with the policing of them . directly involved they had an office in scotland. where all the. people you know all the. all the all the. evidence from the. from the all files a lot in the whole library university library and i'm going until twenty sixty six don't. mean that you should be asking questions of why why have they and bob want it so we all die so you might not hear about what happened on that day for half

a century yeah. obviously we're only for the one before i die you know. where things are going to be before matilda and die if that heaven or thank you. we're in the nine hundred two headquarters of the south yorkshire mine is association building in bones the and i'm with the general secretary of the national union of mineworkers chris thanks for letting us into this is storage building just before we get onto that history what do you have that the conservative government are going to go ahead with an inquiry into will grieve off to denying you were well i'm hopeful that the will see the reason that the juice to sell him and to wait the questions that need to be answered you know it was it was august rated riots as far as i'm concerned because i was there but the riot was not

on our side it was all straight had by the state and the police and i think that we need to know. that and so that safe gas can be put in place to make sure it doesn't happen again you see people are now saying that new documents show that there has been surveillance of people after all agreed you think you were under surveillance i don't think i would personally the surveillance as a seventeen year old striking miners at the time but i definitely believe that that the dog. was under surveillance and was able to infiltrate it was of this building would have been bugged i wouldn't be surprised if this building was built on the offices that we held in sheffield at the time i would be surprised that people on the picket line you know the police officers that wouldn't surprise me and it's not cool the exchange is named john meeting undercover police inquiry into bugging of people like jeremy corbyn what is your union doing as regards giving evidence of an inquiry well we obviously the inquiry the evidence is sketchy because you don't

know if some did do a covert operation. and that was one of the sticking points if you like when the try to exclude us from the inquiry they asked us to provide evidence that we were spied on and well that we haven't got the evidence that was spied on because if they did it right we will know that they were spying on us but obviously during the strike with information that will eat there was there was definitely some kind of surveillance and undercover operation being constructed against the n.u.i. many its members at the time i should say that there is a gesture of that in the book the enemy within by jeremy cool beans present communication devices seamus milne. corbin unlike any labor leader i can remember addresses the derm minus goal what is the importance of the end you have been mining of because the mining industry has been destroyed as a legacy of luggage that was the point of the end of the mine is gone to the favorite to be the next british prime minister i think the point is the history

because you know the. the miners were farming the labor. we've always had a socialist view the one thousand eight hundred eighty five strike was based on keeping the right to work on social justice somebody able to go. do a day's work in a day's pay look after family and improve not just. in the way that we lived but for those children the future generations so i think the histories they had i think jimmy recognizes the history of the of the mining unions and the coal mining industry as a whole and i genuinely think that it. a privilege to speak at the dead a minus. is always attended you know every time we spoke the last two and i think it's important that we continue to remain that link we may have lost the industry that doesn't mean to say that we have to lose the social values that

we've built with our industry down with this room means to me this the same bodies . we. we won't well paid when this you know building was was done. but we still always strive to be better and to improve not just our lives but the lives of his kids and his grandkids and that's what this this building symbolizes to me that you know the minus collected the money and we built something that that was what we aspire to be we aspire to have big meeting halls you know decorations and and that's what's on the banners that decorate the walls of this building it's the social justice the fact that you know you work out and you will profit you will benefit from a n all the people should not benefit from your labor more than what you benefit now the n.m. appears to be accusing the government not only of betrayal over the order of inquiry but about impoverishing present members over the end you have in terms of their pensions just explain the mine workers pension scheme as

a separate one when two billion. pounds but the government is taking that money. theoretically that six hundred million could go to bail out banks who knows what is going on with your pensions of your members with our pensions is that we are being ripped off we have been ripped off because of a deal put together in one nine hundred ninety four as part of the privatization act the government takes fifty percent of the surplus is generated from the pension scheme. percent is distributed to members by way of a bonus we have. at least ten years now been saying that the deal is unfair the government xpect it in their own reports the nine hundred ninety six this is a good deal because they could expect to make two billion pound profit over twenty five years from the two minus pension schemes. eight billion pounds profit now

the try to index link the two billion pound in ninety six and said that's actually eight billion pound now so the increase on the profit they expect it to me unfortunately minus pensions only go up by eighty seven percent in the same period and you would think that you'd use the same index link in an obviously did increase by four hundred percent the won't be that much of an argument about the. but for the government to take fifty percent of a surpluses for providing a guarantee for a scheme that. small risk of failing that actually getting money for nothing which is you know why we to repin the because off from our pensions we paid the money in as employer paid the money in that money should be used to pay pensions improve pensions shouldn't be used to prop up a government. thank you. we'll be back on

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