and so on so keep them there until the problem is solve a because if there is a bit of a there would be a lot of bloodshed be the fairest nobody wants them then as i said comes here on your on with hezbollah as well and so yeah ok i get a hold point but then why were these terrorist coddled funded salaried given arms so i mean exactly exactly and now nobody wants them i mean i read this piece of fiction by erda one in the wall street journal you gotta read this the world must stop assad i mean i've never seen such political friction written by a leader i mean he doesn't deal with everyone doesn't deal with how he's been part of this problem and directly to it glib ok go ahead i've seen in leeds you are absolute he said to me over the last two or three years any time that the syrian army and its allies managed to take all the regions

there was no kind of an agreement for rebels and their families to move to a different region then and certainly over the last couple of years and has been kind of a very attractive distant nation for a number of groups in particular. which is primarily made also for the former. fighters but what makes at least important and sufficiently sensitive for serious players in the civil war is not necessarily the concentrated the concentration. khan of rebels or for terrorists what do you prefer as you know it has a front with and despite the hype that he has been important players in the civil war that. seven years specifically area only

region. to be clean. so the deceased are only bargaining chip. and economy controlling b.c.g. specifically for decision it has been able to be part and parcel of all the people . and ports and power we know that if we simply. can't seem to get all the by deceiving and military allies can have serious consequences not only so you can do so kind of institution. in time it can pave the way to another a refugee crisis that has already said he's not look at all right let me get in my go to beirut here i mean i kind of a variation of the same question that i just asked the mean did anybody think about these things the law of unintended consequences i mean where these peaceful people

are supposed to go i mean number one i think it every country in the world every government the world should say that they want to wash their hands and have nothing to do with these terrorists it live and that might be a way to start negotiating ok but also saying with beirut i mean you know it seems to me that turkey is is really dirtying the waters here because it you know the everyone was just with rouhani in putting it now he comes out with is this our head in the in the wall street journal and it's very unclear what he wants to do and i think correct i've seen i mean they're not controlling northern syria they're occupying and it is an illegal occupation no one in northern syria that i am aware of asked them to come in ok so how is the the turkey card playing in all this name in beirut where there. has been responsible for more or less than the seventy three war seventy percent of the war on syria and the destruction of human . so i was on the eleven i'm going now it has opened its border with syria eight

hundred sixty kilometers border with syria to terrorist groups from all kinds of companies perform more than eighty. companies. into and. and to other problems of syria so i missed it out of the ground. but i manage to be responsible for what is going on in syria as far as the violence that has to spread all over the company and those also that attack the groups which is they collected from the muslim world and non muslim order from europe as well and shipping them to syria now they are just scratching their head and they don't know exactly what the heck they are going to do not to do exactly know that they would be defeated yeah exactly they know that they would be defeated. ok let me we're at we're getting close to the break and let me go to adel here adel i mean

i think your point your first point is really is perfect is spot on is that the u.s. and its regional allies including syria they want to freeze the status quo when it comes the adlib in the meantime i would point out the u.s. is attempting to establish some kind of semi-autonomous semi independent state in south in the north east which is really quite interesting here is and in the tone and tenor is that now it's all about iran it's not about it would be more and they don't want and they don't want any kind of semblance of a victory for assad because that would be a victory for russia go ahead in london. yes i mean it's a it's a cold war. or a mini cold war be afghanistan played all over again and the lesson of creating. which you yourself. sort of stepped into would say you have saw the think

of the unintended consequences and three most important when russia intervened so years ago it had a strategy and the plan there was talk about actually dividing syria and to different cantons bot the strategy of russia was to keep the geographical in dignity of syria not pro-us they don't care about us that's not going to be replaced the people of syria come bring another regime but it's actually keeping the graphic and figure if you have to if that's actually happened america which we did not have a strategy would see that as a victory for russia if assad remain as also a victim of iran because he's at and as well as written as well and so on so establishing this sort of foothold american presence maybe some kurds will be exactly song. for that and then that's what turkey doesn't like yet the kurds but at the same prime is another book out orders called water wars which actually was

covered actually on russia with a few years ago there's a conflict of actually water between syria iraq and turkey and that was actually the long term animosity between the musk us and then there's also there's also natural gas and oil ok let me go to what we have one minute left i want to go back up sheen here i mean does the u.s. have a long term strategy other than we're not going to leave that to what it seems to me. the problem with the said ministration is thirteen or there are a lot of mixed messages coming from washington about the grand con of foreign policy has been about it he said it was only about five months or if you remember president trump said that once we have defeated there are leaks take he going to resign from syria but only a short while ago some high ranking american military officials this stated that

actually. now have changed and he's no longer about getting the nation or crisis we go into a state in steve you're clueless as long as the basically. iranian and hezbollah forces are still active in c. we're going to remain on a military presence and more importantly they have a stated that as long as there is no friendly regime which is acceptable to the syrian people and this little international community then east chase and justification that american military that's over here are going to go to work we're going to go to a break here but ok all those things goals and demands we'll be waiting until hell freezes over for that to happen we're going to go to war breaking out about your break we'll continue our discussion on syria stay with aren't it.

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welcome back across the uk we're all things we're considered on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the situation in syria. let me go back to our guest in beirut ok we heard about the demands that the u.s. is putting forward for syria after donald trump if you look through his the history of his tweets the syrian war was a big mistake until i became president and we had to leave illegal airstrikes against syria because of alleged chemical weapons we're going probably waiting for another one of those but what about what syria wants syria has it has russia and it has iran and the longer or the more elaborate the u.s. administration's. strategy becomes the more and more it seems to me that the u.s. wants to stay in syria to determine any kind of peace settlement i don't see how it could happen if the u.s. remains there and u.s.

policies of the iran and i think it's pretty universally recognized that everyone isn't in in ministration is a hock when it comes to iran go ahead in beirut. where i believe that the united states foreign policy is very much directed by what is called of the establishment of the united states as much as or anybody more than the president as such whoever is the president is mr barak obama when he became president he came to cairo early on in his presidency and he made his own being a speech talking about cooperation with the muslim world and democracy as such but i said that up and primarily emphasizing this point cooperation is about what did. mr obama bring about the broader brought about the so-called arab spring actually support him at all. then muslim country it's less sexy a good thing bombs that been muslim countries keep going going keep. this

was succeeded by mr trump mr trump in the year before he became president he was talking about he wants to stroll the troops from syria and from iraq cetera but once he became president histone change it what does this tell us is that that establishment the deep establishment in the united states has very much a strong. decision making. control over the policy of the united states so for the past yet and they have mr trump instead of. diminishing u.s. troops and was growing u.s. troops from both syria and iraq he has been increasing the numbers particularly in syria the number of u.s. troops now in syria are about three thousand troops and that is better yet expressed by the trump administration mr bolton and other than mr bolton that they want to attack syria based on the claim is that the whole new claim is of chemical

weapon this is a farce. and mr trump clearly is into it so despite all the things he said that he doesn't want war it seems that the recent the policy of the united states is coming again to emphasize that the u.s. will stay in northern syria and this was said yesterday by the prompt administration that they were they are not going to withdraw from northern syria in fact the u.s. troops. which are located in about certain military camps and bases in northeastern syria east of the euphrates the area where is of the euphrates in syria is approximately. thirty to forty thousand square kilometer the end is smarter than three times bigger than my country levanon so and more than that this area is of those factors. to produce about three some of them three

hundred thousand barrels of oil every day. it's an asset grab and well here i mean i mean what i mean americans want everyone growing they want to be a spoiler they go on to syria to have the resources to rebuild that's how i see it once this conflict comes in exactly adel i mean i guess people don't remember the cold war very well you know i keep hearing that newsrooms all over the world in the western world are run by twenty somethings you know and they like to play with social media all day long i remember the cold war pretty well and it was something we all worried about now you know seeing the u.s. in a very cavalier way saying not only are we going to i can't use that kind of a simple language of donald trump you know we're going to we're we're going to make it hurt you're going to syria hurt and everyone else on the russians only in the iranians as well or anyone else here that helps them ok very cavalier language he didn't use that during the cold war you know why and i almost never i almost never

like to quote barack obama but you know elections have results in this is what's happening ok we have results here the american people voted against these foreign wars and now this is a promise broken go ahead. while the midterm election. for the congress is going ahead we have seen out of the competition between the two but if you if we have because it was a reporter. during the cold war sixty's seventy's eighty's. in the cold war. the moscow. london and washington. and. we're talking to each other. now what i'm one of them the absence of the first time. then we have a member of nato which is supporting one saw it which is the terrorists and lead

and. most sort of sponsible way is actually the use of the military threat we have seen both on talking in that stuff about something. that we buy. by president trump now if they actually fire and then execute like when you have a corrupt a police man putting some drugs into someone how is he doesn't allow us to go on the wrist them. some stage. and actually use the military action against syrian military assets then it would be that proves my theory that the actually do do not want. to actually be got rid of these terrorist groups yeah i've seen you know we've done all the cold war yeah i mean i've seen

but you know i mean i guess that you know for a lot of people in the u.s. watching this program what is the geopolitical. importance of it to the united states i mean it's never explained congress has never consulted you know and then you have this ongoing support of all on all different level support of terrorist groups like al qaeda in yemen and in syria here so i mean is it what is the geo political importance of it is it just to be a spoiler because that's what it looks like to me go ahead and it looks like us oh let me go to your leave here let me get a little let me go to leeds go ahead of shape i don't think get your polluting the united states. in. but if you're talking about the north east region which is currently controlled by syria and democratic you know.

then we can say you know yes the united states has some city interest there i personally don't like to use historical terms because i believe that history never repeats itself but if you read it to insist using terms like the cold war perhaps we can assume that what you are beginning to see induce phase to see in all what we see is kind of general money for each nation or to a country what i mean by germanic occasion if you do remember that just because of the second wall the country effectively was divided between two different spheres or influence i think. in one leader or another will go ahead what i do. it challenges the issues of the north east is not going to get their way it's not going to go away any time soon because the united states through the kurdish proxies is a very much interest that to maintain

a military prison there calms older. indonesian and at the same time on the important players like russia and iran have already asserted that they are there. to work to a sig and effectively this is going to pave the way to what i just sit on of the german occasion syria and these tensions are potentially can go on for many years even decades. ok so about that i got your point let's go back to beirut so i mean i remember this we were talking about this actually a couple years ago i was almost and in cement there's going to be a partition the brookings institution at this big plan and all that and of course that works for israel's interests but at the but this is not what the syrian people want i mean i think there's always this assumption that they have no they have no autonomy or agency here i mean it seems to me if we. look at what happened with aleppo remember it's going to be

a humanitarian crisis catastrophe went on for months and months and months it was liberated and people came back to the city as a matter of fact the easter after the liberation of christians celebrated easter on like it was for so many years ok so i look at this hype in the media because that's all it is here and i agree with their goal of this operation is going to go forward to liberate go ahead in beirut. well clearly is american strategy. seeks to keep the conflict and the violence in syria festering first studying as long as possible in. every area in syria that had terrorist groups the united states the western country britain and france they did all that they could they could in order to their own gate the presence of those two groups in those areas or was that in a little short of. a lot to be ourselves out of syria etc so the biggest

concentration of daedalus now in syria is in ed live there was there were more than forty thousand a thousand ship it to from other parts of syria into good luck and there were about sort of sort of the five thousand terrorists stationed in the first place in live so now that is a big concentration of this terrorist and the united states would like and prefer that they be kept somehow in syria to cause the problem to the regime in syria and that's what turkey also wants and therefore it is a big hope plan now is to threaten that is really sort of the syrian government not to attack. and not to let it through but the way i see it the clearly struggling government a word we just heard mine said ok we're. ending the. terrorist

rebel rule there i agree history doesn't repeat itself but it's a strong echo when you deal with these types of terrorist groups that's all the time we have many thanks to my guests in london leeds and in beirut and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and remember crosstalk.

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