but may's appeal to home secretary sajid javid we speak to the general secretary if you knew him and a minor rested on that day. that's all coming up in today's edition of going underground well i mean the lord mayor of sheffield's office and with me is the lord mayor of sheffield will bet thanks so much for letting all you know i'm going to. ask you how come you're here there are pictures of the first lord mayor sheffield william jeff gold a rather mining company. you. and you know what is honestly me being lord mayor is such a celebration of so many other people as it is about i was the be a mother who made sacrifices will be friends who grabbed me and so the people of sheffield who really put their faith in me and chose me to be the lord mayor so it's it's just amazing i kind of feel as if like i am just merely a reflection of sheffield at the moment and it's just i mean i generally do feel

privileged and honored to hold this position then with something that happened the past forty eight hours one of your many initiatives on mental health and what have you been yes each month i choose a campaign to focus my attention kind of really suck on pain so july was a whole anti rally and advance i'm coming to the u.k. and august it was the opening of minus campaign for justice and then this month for me kind of wants to kind of touch on the topic of mental health especially as we lead as it was and well suicide prevention day on monday so i kind of thought well . how can i just conscious be a bit more and actually just get behind amazing where it's already happening so i kind of with the help of local charity and the public health department or the council put together a u.k. suicide prevention charter because at the moment the numbers we have hundred fourteen people will go through to suicide completion each week and there's

a lot we can be doing as members so for me it was a case of putting these charts together and trying to get as much institutions to create an enhanced policy that they may already have when it comes to mental health and specifically suicide prevention because some might say that this position of the lord mayoralty has to be a political mental health arguably a political even prince harry in regular morkel royal family talking about that no one doubting of course that isn't an important issue but it's you know what it is. i mean like all grieving of course well it's everything you do people keep talking . people would just rather me not what the bow or just play it safe i'm afraid i was a wasted opportunity like i'm blessed enough to hold this position for me every single thing you do is political when i even became lord mayor i kept hearing stuff like oh we're with this how we always do it we've always done it like this there

man and like a lot of negative like how good is are you breaking tradition like you need to not do things so different i'm like well i completely like same we've always done it like this is not an excuse like we used to have terrible traditions which we no longer do and you can form new traditions but more important i question everything i've been doing for about why are we doing it what's the benefit of it how can we change it to benefit the people sheffield obviously is a changing city is a vast. progressive change is sitting of course and if you look at how we have more in bags we've or if it's the one percent only forty four and i percent remain but even then i generally believe it's a very exciting place when sheffield's is a place where we really don't compromise who we are it's a case of you know lovers or you like and some believe briggs is progressive of course but yeah one in four may be in poverty in this city with a few miles from this officer or the worst social indicators it's the brunt of our

stories here of the banking crash what's it like to represent as world where a city with african issues yet is first of all it's big responsibility to make sure to make sure that those voices who feel different there not be unheard of be represented i'm bringing to the forefront first and foremost we're right due to austerity and all the cuts that we've had it means a lot of vital services a heavily under pressure i'm sure many of our cases across a country like sheffield but we really are pushing the north are facing the brunt of that and is like. first it's always trying to come up with creative solutions to problems fair enough we have got the best start but we can't let that be an excuse for us not to provide services or try and come up with innovative ways to solutions you say so we just to him the best that we can come into it but you would agree that we needed the austerity to pay off the losses by the banks made down south in

the city of london and you know what it is but i personally feel of this like we as a country we're very we haven't got a lot of money and to be saying that we haven't got enough money for via services i just don't but i feel like the general is a political decision when we can find a billion pound for the do you pay when we can find millions a pound to go to war and keep saying we haven't got enough money to do that. we're place also like as part of the coalition deal to keep tourism in schools but it's also for example like it's nice and well i look at me i'm lauren is my example stories like mine are very hard to come by because this is government's hostile environment policy so when we're having to refuse refugees i'm for example other kids we refused three thousand child refugees from syria because we said we didn't have enough money yet we can find more money to go to war to bomb sea which is inevitably going to cause more child refugees for us to say we haven't got enough money to take me in so i know for

a long time just fail to believe them and that we haven't got enough when i was all just a political agenda do you think what informs you there is your heritage similarly when it's famously said. is a place bomb under barack obama or it should be. central to the drone campaign in africa it's just not in somalia look at what's happening in yemen and in syria it's just a case of like. often we just like of course it is and we need to be treating people people are humans but i just feel as if. our foreign policy times isn't the best if i mean as an affair of the flight sometimes it's just completely cruel the blairites a labor party and conservatives and some liberal democrats all say we must get involved in these wars to protect people erm yeah but i would completely say out of the other well look what happened in the whole situation in iraq how did that help us as a country when the whole point of bombing iraq was because weapons we all there was based on lies and look what's happening with libya or do not say it's

a case of we'll we want to better the people of libya and support them look at the situation in libya is i'm still here to see us like. those other countries go into a country and actually bombing them and seeing the benefits of it. if you think opposite i'd love to hear what the benefits like what positive that's actually bob i in any example the moment we start treaty and people as numbers and targets i'm not sure if humans fell for the problem lies where we should be trained people with compassion and i think that's why our times we kind of got it wrong but what was your thoughts about the government finally getting to grips maybe with the windrow scandal where africa will be in britain's will being deported all mess it's appears out of the country i was for the way they dealt with it was complete shambles if i mean honestly fair enough they may be now trying to tackle a lot better but that's not to say a word with the amber vote or three of the most time the whole this has gone on for

a long time but recently came to light so it's nice to see things of advance on our boat by what it seems getting better but i feel as if i we've still got a long way to go in terms of how we tackle the i just and we with the whole policy area to be honest i mean it's just a feel as if. yeah just going by so point i'm just saying we treat people with compassion i did we're talking about people who've lived here when george said i've contributed to the country in so many different ways and i've been told they're no longer welcome in the u.k. that you wouldn't want vans going in your city not on telling people to shop their neighbors to denote asian which is of course opposed over the government another initiative you said that you backed with or grief initially the government appeared to be backing an inquiry back in the independent police complaints commission of inquiry why do you think the government says there is no need for an inquiry into the battle of or grief that took place from this office i can't speak for the

government fabulous about why i do understand is that we need a public inquiry to happen because there's still family suffering today and i don't know if you've seen the last hour what subject of it is just asking for the president of course home secretary and. i don't honestly so much admiration a commendation to the people always just as campaign who are courageously constantly actively campaigning on this issue and for me as lord mayor and something within chef and i think it's only my assumption i want to get behind and especially when people on is actually on when i actually got behind the campaign was the first of august which happened to be yorkshire day and it's also a very yorkshire based campaign as well you see the b.b.c. of apologise for reversing the riot footage lots of the newspapers are saying we knew that ok ten thousand miners were involved as the police we knew everything way why have an inquiry into this because this is fair and just so we know the police

were wrong in the situation we know there was a lot in just says so instead of saying argue well it's like fair enough we made a mistake but there's still ongoing sufferings and its consequences to those evidence so we need to get to the bottom of this because otherwise that justice will always be that they'll never be a case where the people of all grief will feel different they've been treated in a fair and just way so it's something i always tell people just where they've been right side job to do what you can to did he reply he did not reply some believe that it was supposed to be a lesson or grieve for every worker to obey their boss is a kind of the beginnings of neo liberalism when these workers were fighting for what they perceived as their rights the thing that sways in replying to you do you know what i am and there's hundreds in the hundreds of people wrote right so i don't think the reason of a prize because it is the one so i just come above it i can i don't know but as you

say a case of he's just clearly not interested doesn't want to do anything about it but that's not a reason for myself they thought about if you like i'll be lying if i said you know i want to write some i think is going to is going to agree to many because i'm going to of course i didn't expect that. for me as well as writing for him it was more important like in the way of one twin for me was to bring awareness of the cause because that's what i can do for if i can give an inquiry myself if i can highlight the issue using my form that really just bring awareness to the campaign that was my main focus i didn't care whether. it was going to respond to me and i but for me was trying to spread awareness of that campaign thank you after the break as declassified papers reveal a plan by mrs thatcher to teach a lesson to work because it is to raise of a covering up the crimes that all grieve with thousands battled in the south yorkshire countryside against what has become neo liberalism that's all coming up

about to have going on the ground. what politicians do. they put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected . so when you want to be president and she. wanted. to go right to be close it's like them before three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters of.

welcome back where it all grieve in south yorkshire at the site of one of the defining moments of international neoliberalism. years ago ten thousand to mind as many actually escorted to a steel coking plant in all grief south yorkshire were brutally. backed by the haps five thousand police jeremy corbyn says the first act of a labor government will be to launch an inquiry into what happened on the eighteenth of june one thousand nine hundred for something prime minister to raise of may has rejected critics say her refusal is to project her late leader margaret thatcher who declassified papers show is implicated in a conspiracy to teach the most powerful trade union in britain a lesson that all workers in the u.k. would for ever learn they believe it pave the way to today's deregulated neo liberal work system of zero hours contracts and casual labor well joining me now is kevin horn from the orgreave truth and justice campaign he was at or grieve in june

one thousand nine hundred eighty four given what happened here thirty four years ago and there is a police riot. on the minus react they way they were just discussing to say on the day alive that. the horses from the. factory itself. the horses to. the miners appear appear almost into a field which will be maybe nearly ten thousand minus five thousand police five six hours and probably when i saw that when i first saw the place i came over the picked. on the word. i thought they were on the actually because they were though much of the information in the field and the word t.v. on the front line these are not about five thousand then you know it just just started by on the horses in the dogs. they weren't even on the frontline at the time. and some of the ten thousand miners were actually

a school day by the police to the field that used to be there yeah on that day. not like any other day we could get any and. we were being stopped enough to get insurance. on some company and on all the days but this day on the eighteenth the law as in they just let everybody in. there was showing cultures from south wales wed to. and from scotland and durham and kent. people from can picket from can couldn't even get so the dots a tunnel all the cycle to that day in southern england in london. so on this day there were all shown in. any given pocking spaces and rounded up in a field. just over the bridges ready to offer.

ready to be big and. on bill's z.b. below going to necessarily know about i mean what did it feel like when i maybe you were you you'd be in charge of a riot which at that time was a life imprisonment event when the b.b.c. . clearly showed the british public that it was you and nine thousand ten thousand a lot of the miners when it was you being violent what did you all feel about. well . a lot felt about it while it was there it was the other way round the place will be in violent what it was literally the other way round the footy but yeah it was the other way around and the place of. being violent on. and we realised that we shouldn't have gone we realised that when we saw least police we should have gone home we realised that later we were to let that we were here for the duration.

or several times throughout the day when my people saw well go on. but when the when the. horses first jobst it wasn't the quiet time after the wagons had gone. after after the wagons and bane still though and gone home and faithful coming up to the as a stall on by a sandwiches and ice creams and things and. that was a time that the police the officer shot just. one man was out on the grass eating sandwiches. he wasn't the the i told the. if you know and then would then usual blood i got arrested at the bottom and saw. i didn't see the blowed and so until i got into into a police station. where i were going to feel playstation and they could see

that he had the moaning and groaning and screaming and still. found i we got transferred to rather and. when i got how i would tell myself with a lot we could see blood and snot and you'll run all over the. aisle with some good being really you know and that never got to rather in the pool as in a quadrangle with all the other prisoners and the people there would swallow nads and scholes and drop now arms and legs. and no medical attention. as soon as i walked in some to get a bill of me jumper and tied tied it round the slabs leg and that's the last war we're doing the mine is. the first steadman train on the on the world. said on these men oh oh well they. caught it off to prison. so on with prison. and they have until. after everybody had been in

to magistrates go out why do you thing to raise a maze seemingly go back all the road before she resigned in disgrace seemed to say which is there would be an inquiry into the battle of old green what do they want to hide anything for the want to id is that the government was directly involved with the policing of the mine is. directly involved they had an office in scotland . where all the whole people you know the they teach the police. all the all the. evidence. from the files in the whole library university library. go on until twenty six. don't. mean that you should be asking questions of why why are they and bob want it so we all die so we might not hear about what happened

on that day for half a century yeah. obviously we're only one before i die you know. where things are going to be before matilda and die if that. thank you. we're in the nine hundred two headquarters of the south yorkshire mine is association building in bones the and i'm with the general secretary of the national union of mineworkers chris thanks for letting us into this is storage building just before we get on to that history what do you have that the conservative government are going to go ahead with an inquiry into will grieve off to denying you one well i'm hopeful that the we'll see the reason that the justice element to it the questions that need to be answered you know it was it was august rated riots as far as i'm concerned because i was there but the riot was not on our

side it was all straight had by the state and the police and i think that we need to know. that and so that safe gas can be put in place to make sure it doesn't happen again you see people are now saying that new documents show that there has been surveillance of people after all agreed you think you were under surveillance i don't think i would personally surveillance as a seventeen year old striking mine or the time but i definitely believe that that the. was under surveillance and was able to infiltrate was this building would have been bugged i wouldn't be surprised if this building was built on the offices that we held in sheffield at the time i would be surprised that people on the picket line you know with police officers that wouldn't surprise me and it's not cool the exchange is named john meeting undercover police inquiry into bugging of people like jeremy corbyn what is your union doing as regards giving evidence of an

inquiry well we obviously the inquiry the evidence sketchy because you don't know if somebody's been a covert operation. and that was one of the sticking points if you like when they tried to exclude us from the inquiry they asked us to provide evidence that we were spied on and well that we haven't got the evidence that was spied on because if they did it right we will know that they were spying on us but obviously during the strike with information that will eat there was there was definitely some kind of surveillance. operation being constructed against the i knew m. and its members at the time i should say that there is a gesture of that in the book the enemy within by jeremy corbin's present communications adviser seamus milne. corbin unlike any labor leader i can remember addresses the derm mine as goal what is the importance of the n u m in mining of the mining industry has been destroyed as a legacy of luggage that was the point of the end of the mine is go to the favorite

to be the next british prime minister i think the point is the history because you know the. the miners were farming the labor. we've always had a socialist view the one nine hundred eighty five strike was based on keeping the right to work on social justice somebody able to go you know do a day's work in a day's pay look after your family and improve not just. in the way that we lived but for those children the future generations so i think the histories they had i think jimmy recognizes the history of the of the mining unions and the coal mining industry as a whole and i genuinely think that it. a privilege to speak at the did a minus. and he is always attended you know every time we spoke the last and i think it's important that we continue to remain that link we may have lost the

industry that doesn't mean to say that we have to lose the social values that we've built with our industry then with this remains to me this. we. we won't well paid when this you know building was was done. but we still always strive to be better and to improve not just our lives but the lives of his kids and his grandkids and that's what this this building symbolizes to me that you know the minus collected the money and we built something that that was what we aspire to be we aspire to have big meeting halls you know decorations and and that's what's on the banners that decorate the walls of this building it's the social justice the fact that you know you work out and you will profit you will benefit from me and all the people should not benefit from your labor more than what you benefit now the n.m. appears to be accusing the government not only of betrayal over the or grieve inquiry but about impoverishing present members over the end you have in terms of

their pensions just explain the pension scheme as a separate one point two billion pounds but the government is taking that money. theoretically that six hundred million could go to banks who knows what is going on with your pensions of your member. being ripped off. ripped off because of a deal put together in one nine hundred ninety four as part of privatizing. the government fifty percent of the surplus is generated from the pension scheme. percent is distributed to members by way of a bonus we have. at least ten years now been saying that the deal is unfair the government xpect it in their own reports the nine hundred ninety six this is a good deal because they could expect to make profit over twenty five years from

the two minus pension schemes. eight billion pounds profit now the index linked the two billion pounds. and said that's actually a billion pound now so the increase on the profit they expected to me unfortunately minus pensions on the eighty seven percent in the same period and you would think that you'd use the same index link in an obviously did increase by four hundred percent the won't be that much of an argument about the. but for the government to take fifty percent of it. for providing a guarantee for a scheme that. small risk of failing that actually getting money for nothing which is you know why we to repin the mine workers off. we paid the money in as employer paid the money in that money should be used to pay pensions improve pensions shouldn't be used to prop up

a government. thank you. we'll be back on. the day of the bankruptcy probably the brother. i think.

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