donald trump signs an executive order allowing the u.s. to impose sanctions on any individual or government that meddles in its actions also covers anyone spreading what washington deems to be this information. also on the program this hour of love him or putin revealed russia has identified the suspects that britain say. poisonings. is nothing special. and you are these should be leaders yes they are definitely civilians. on

the russian defense ministry claims terror groups in syria. filmed a staged chemical attack on selected videos to be sent to the un and circulated on line. up at all said he even says r t international my names you know neal hello and welcome to our top story the u.s. president has signed an executive order that authorizes sanctions against any foreign governments or individuals fall into being involved in meddling in u.s. elections where schools live to smear a cow in washington d.c. who has been trailing through some of these latest orders tell us about it what's the implications break it down. well the same person who's viewed as a foreign pop that has now declared foreign interference national emergency.

trump's order will authorize sanctions against states and actors charged with election meddling this applies to companies organizations and even individuals if impose these sanctions will block x. assets limit access to the u.s. financial system and ban people from entering the country but with midterms coming up this seems to be the administration's latest effort to prevent a meddling in november it should be noted however that the order did not specify any country in particular because apparently multiple calling countries will try to hack the elections possible perpetrators have been identified as russia china iran and the d.p. r. k. a coincidentally these four countries are all viewed as threats to u.s. interests now it's important to point out that these sanctions will explicitly target companies and organizations accused of spreading propaganda and dissent from ation and will be in charge of determining who's been doing the meddling well we

have the director of national intelligence the state department the treasury department homeland security and the justice department and they only have forty five days to do so so with all of these factors considered it's impossible to predict what exactly will follow but we certainly have an idea ok we're returning to this story a little bit later in the program for more reaction from guests but for now assume you're a can live in washington d.c. thank you. russia say it knows the identities of the two men suspected in the script poisoning case but most school has confirmed no action will be taken on till britain makes official request vladimir putin speaking about the eastern economic forum in flabby vostok said the men have been identified as civilians who reports not from their. this is an absolutely groundbreaking follow up for a lot of follow up from vladimir putin to last week's statement by british

authorities on the suspects in the script all case the russian leader says that moscow now knows for sure who the two men are here's what exactly mr putin said we finished we've seen the pictures we know who they are we found them hopefully they will turn themselves in and will tell everyone about themselves there's nothing special a criminal and you are these civilians yes they are definitely civilians last week exactly six months after the attempted murder in salisbury british prosecutors named two suspects as russian nationals alexander petroff and bashir if they also pointed out that these days have been fake another claim was that the two men were active members of russian intelligence now here's the

evidence that london put forward it was basically a summary of the men's movements around the u.k. . so these comments by the russian president are no less groundbreaking compared to what we heard from london last week and now i guess once again it is their. turned to say something. but we spoke to alexander shooting and russia's representative to the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons he believes the script

case was a provocation aimed at disrupting russia's presidential election back in march. because. for all the member states of the chemical convention in the quarter so the office of w. and georgian by the very through three election comments from some to the gay sions italy's to. the to the occasions capable of. feeling can not so blinded by russian propaganda the statement was a very poor was it to. evaluate to. buck to march this year russia was here done for the presidential elections. we have been preparing and we had been preparing for the wall to come up. and do the russian you do something like these absolutely not the commission is who.

didn't need to these kind of two are no events and they aren't caesar the. opponents of the russian federation those who are trying by all means are to do you agree to leadership and actually slap new sanctions on the russian for the origin it was an attempt to influence. the course of the russian presidential elections all the more so war against it there are grown all the claims sold the russian meddling and the american election. ok let's return to our breaking news this hour the u.s. president has signed an executive order authorizing sanctions against any individuals or governments found to be interfering in american elections now that also covers anyone spreading what washington deems to be propaganda let's go live

now to our maybe our legal analyst guest lionel good to have you back on the show i . because an either or lionel sanctions can be imposed on anyone involved directly or indirectly in sponsoring or assisting election interfere and so is this executive order a necessary step or a dangerous development. well that is in the eye of the ball holder but but a couple of things i want to bring up using the canons of of american law away which i know a little bit about and whenever we look at any statute any statute law or regulation executive order p.t.d. you name it anything that is written one of the tenets that we always look to is are the particular sanctions spelled out but are the behaviors are the prohibited actions are those intended. activities spelled out

accurately enough and with specificity enough so that you were able to read that particular executive order read the statute and comport accordingly meaning may i read this and say oh i know what to do now the next thing is sometimes we have terms void for vagueness vagueness ambiguity what is enter a fair and and i don't want to do this the air quotes but imagine i'm doing it what is interference what is propaganda what is one thousand to if that having an effect do you want do we want this conversation this discussion to have enough fact in the world i would certainly hope so because i'm wasting my time and your time if our words have no effect what does that mean do we want to change the course of of of legal action to the life no but we want to have an effect we want

our influence to have an effect so so these words. if you were to trigger these if you were to say this has been violated you sure have been absent some you know direct example of actual tampering with votes but. vaguer instances of orders were posing that there were two sides to a particular story or what if a foreign agent foreign country foreign persons whatever it is happens to say this same things that somebody in the country does who is a democrat or republican and yet is construed to be interfering or in affecting an election when in fact they merely reiterated that which was said by somebody else so i don't even understand how you would even know a poor why this because normally when you look at the statute it is interference

shall mean this it means it does not mean this the dissemination of an idea discussion debate what is that what went any country has any discussion i think there is an effect so it's very concerning it concerns me for vagueness and ambiguity is very interesting in the pub just to follow one perhaps to what you're saying the sanctions will be applied to any person or group spreading propaganda dissin from ation meeting the springs to mind for me the implications for freedom of speech on the order the potential for it to be misapplied is the possibility. propaganda propaganda is in the eye of the beholder and any time there is any kind of a prohibition in any form and at any level against propaganda or something which is called disinformation or. fake knows this information versus

what misinformation i can go through the subtle nuances i'm i'm fairly adept with the the the language the lingo or the lang go and i can come up with a lot of terms interpretations new ones if i tweak the the verity the voracity what does this mean if i say something that you absolutely disagree with history you know tossed tolstoy said history would be a wonderful thing if only were true so let's say i want to say something that if his historical a correct and you say that's not true is that misinformation is that propaganda and propaganda goes back to the days of the vatican propaganda of the the propagation of the of the vatican of the word so now it has an evil connotation like charism does like right wing does and so these words again if this is a statute that meets my liking you would say propaganda is decided by as such and

such misinformation disinformation must be construed by the standard because remember if somebody who was honest a good to a reporter from a country or a whoever wants to read this is an i want to comply with these rules what are my what do i do. am i put on notice how do i comport my behavior so that i don't inadvertently stray from this so and then we have democrats say this isn't strong enough. it's not strong enough it's got to be tougher tougher with what i say should be tougher with more definitional so the other argument and this is a political but so that we discuss this some people say these are attempts by both sides to to curry favor with voters to say look i'm doing something to deal with this with this propaganda but also what about other or all that other

all countries. institutions universities. and the b.b.c. we get you name it what it what does this mean you could read this and depending upon the you get a foreign terrorists from. out of the nine videos on the two are approved to be sent to the us and the o.p.c. w. the rest of the material was suggested for social media because of low quality. the incident according to them will take place quite close to college so cool remember the incident there led the first strike on syria by donald trump. is the village the residential area where the storage point allegedly is for these chemicals and this is where the filming took place just slightly to the south east of the dallas moscow's claims are finally give us a sense of the type of consequences we could be looking at here well the consequences will be serious all of the way of course moscow has

a very potent position to that of the united states moscow has said damascus does not possess chemical weapons they say that even if that was the case they would be no logic in assad using chemical weapons and drawing the wrath of the u.s. and its allies in a military strike with intervention this is of course led to clashes between envoys at the u.n. security council yacob but it also is claimed the president bashar al assad gave the order to use chlorine to syria north or if he's not going to do that they do not have chemical weapons i ask you again to listen to us it would not make sense for damascus to use chemical weapons because it does not have any political or military reasons to do that let's not waste time with the december mation distractions and outright lie what is clear though is the u.s. position they've been in two minds about this if there is an allegation of chemical weapons use suspicion of chemical weapons use number one it will be attributed to

the damascus government and number two the repercussions will be clear and strong just so there's no confusion here if the syrian regime uses chemical weapons we will respond very strongly we have all seen what the syrian regime backed by the russian government has done in the past that should not be a surprise to anyone that that would be a concern of ours once again done if a chemical attack does happen is the west unified. in terms of an immediate response against the assad government give us a sense of what we're looking at here or i think the wall is unified in condemning any chemical use on either side here what we're talking about is how to respond as you just mentioned to allegations of a chemical weapon attack position is clearly that it should be thoroughly investigated independently verified and blame attributed before there's any sort of military strikes or military intervention the u.s. with some of its allies views that action should be taken much quicker although

that opinion isn't necessarily something unified. western powers that they can listen to and that the minister of state will give us to insurance is today first that if there are any reports of chemical weapons attack particularly in the areas of italy controlled by h.t.s. that the government will not take part in any military action in response until the you have visited their sites under the protection of the turkish government independently verifying those reports and distributed responsibility for any chemical weapons used who are lying in so-called open source intelligence why did my prescribe terrorist groups is not an acceptable alternative whatever happens with this story with these allegations it's very clear one thing here that any allegations any threats or any suspicion of chemical weapons use could be the spark that causes these military tensions and it's clear that situation is very tense right now that does cause why the action here that is the concern here certainly by

the russian minister of defense. well the pentagon has responded to moscow saying there is no evidence to support moscow's claims about the white helmets it doubled in its support for the group saying washington sees the first responders as heroes the coeditor of b s news million mile told us that the west will attribute blame for any chemical attack in the lead to the syrian government regardless of the circumstances but don't need to wait for evidence they don't need it we need to wait for an investigation they surely don't need to wait for o.p.c. w or any other agency to apportion blame they're already blaming the syrian government they're already saying that president assad has authorized the chemical weapons strike so that you know the strike at the lead story hasn't even happened but blame has already been apportioned so you know what can we say apart from there it looks like very likely there's going to be a big strike and this could lead to obviously this could lead to a conflict with russia and what will three or the final world wars we should be called and they're not addressing the syrian arab army they're not even addressing the syrian government or president assad they're addressing the al-qaeda proxy

armies i'll call it a really it's in italy and effectively what they're saying is the hotline is open you can call it your own air strike or you need to do is provide a pretext however lame that pretext maybe give us something we can sell to our publics back home and we'll have the cruise missiles in the air so that's the message is the message is directly to al qaida and its affiliates in italy and. the e.u. this is hitting one of its own members with disciplinary action the european parliament has voted in favor of triggering article seven which could see hungry sanctioned if european leaders all agree to the measures it follows the hungary and prime minister viktor orban being criticized within the block for breaching european values over the migrant crisis. this is certainly one of the strongest weapons in the arsenal for the e.u. to deal with an errant member of its own group what it's more like is really like opening one big box and finding

a series of other boxes inside essentially where we are right now with article seven point one for this to move any further well it would require either one third of e.u. member states or the e.u. commission to say they want to push ahead with the measures against hungry. hungry would be given a chance to defend themselves to put forward their own case and then this would go back to another vote in the european parliament that would require a two so majority vote then that would go to the european council where it would have a unanimous vote you still with me right this is still seven point two for it to actually go through and we to see sanctions in the. suspension of voting rights put in place upon hungry it would have to go to seven point three that requires another vote by the european council and that has to go through by a vote of over fifty five percent essentially what's happened on wednesday in

strasburg is this is the the official written warning to hungry from it's a huge colleague saying that in their eyes at least the book of its ideas they've try talking to hungary in the past and they have and as far as they're concerned received adequate and says to serious questions that were posed in parliament on tuesday sadly the commission chairs the concerns expressed in the report in particular as regards fundamental rights corruption the treatment of roma and the independence of the judiciary individuals into government and rich themselves their family members staff rents from public funding from utopian taxpayers' money is this then you would not close our eyes to the problems in handling the elections this year were held in an atmosphere. one hundred ration and intimidation and that the reason i went through the complicated methods of where we were heading next is because a lot of where we had next depends on hungary and specifically on

a victor or now he was in parliament in strasburg on tuesday heard all of the allegations against him and against his government he was bullish in his response in fact he said he didn't recognize the charges and he thought that the fact that they were being bring brought against hungary in the first place was an insult to hungary in history and the hungarian people on what you know you have already made up your mind what you think you know better than durance them selves i stand here to defend my country and this is a matter of honor this insults the owner of hungary this uses double standards and violates the treaty it says a halt thing differently by the house and some purpose of the family and we do indoors ready clee different views in migration these differences cannot be a reason to brand any other countries and freed to be excluded for joint decisions would never go was for a silencing those who do not agree with us you want to make a moral decision based on numbers the nation be damned. well reaction to the vote

has been coming in from the l d a group in the european parliament they said they were glad to see that this had been passed the greens also saying that they were glad that it gone through those on the side with mr obama well you could always rely on fairish the leader of the european freedom and direct democracy greenpeace long been a supporter of mr obama he said that this vote shows the. arion grip of the european union was getting tighter but ultimately what this means is hungry officially joins poland on the naughty list of nations expect to be talking about them for a little while yet. you know all of our one during government has already reacted to the vote done own thing it as a fraud on the revenge of migrant politicians independent journalist who prevailed to list certain political forces believe this is their last chance to stop the advance of populism across europe the leftists furious israeli aggressive to an

incredible point as well as the liberals the globalists because they know it is dead last chance to attain that with a populist sop punished somehow the list grows longer you have the austrians you have the italians it didn't work it won't work and all day do is fit to mind old bon bon will be reelected certainly one time comes with a big majority because he's a victim of europe the worst that europe can produce we heard yesterday and today today it was less important vote happened and that was it but the report produced by this is sergeant was a green party activists from all and is is really a piece of work and if it's really credibly aggressive in its content and she didn't even go to hungary to make this report this bullying will go nowhere you know article seven will never be applied italy austria poland will refuse of course

that this be applied at council level if not at the parliament level so they are afraid of the next parliament after the may elections that's the thing talking things you're a lot younger has the liberty his final state of the union speech he has previously announced he won't seek another term as european commission president a successor is slated to be appointed in may next year in his address younkers summarize the results of this ten year on we put something together to. this is the last commission either we will succeed in bringing our citizens closer to europe or we will fail.

in the european commission papers migration is the medicine for certain. for us it's poison me and it. was. in france. so now we will impose import tariffs this is basically a stupid process. i have a little black book. with for the past thirty years i have noted when someone has betrayed me.

is this the beginning of the end of the european. i. threw in the case of missing internet privacy activists. a close associate of wiki leaks is joining us police have a nice that the man's belongings have been found in the sea off the.