america's cultural wars even a new civil war the country is clearly divided but trying to do this on his own there are two americas now and it seems. the two men named by the u.k. as suspects in the script poisoning case tonight any involvement in the incident they've been speaking exclusively to r.t. if you really look like the pictures shown to us by the u.k. while. we are those who were shown to you in the pictures. and i was under pressure from all those you real names you know the real names the british prime minister's office has responded to the interview calling it lies and

fabrications while russia's also wanted to clarify its harsh reaction made only minutes after the interview aired. and still no trump signs an executive order to counter supposedly foreign interference in america's elections ahead of november's crucial midterm votes. live from the russian capital where it's just ten two am you're watching international. the two suspects named by the u.k. in the poisoning of russian double agents aka script hall and his daughter back in march have given an exclusive interview to aussies as to in chief let's take a look at parts of that interview with margarita simonyan and the breakdown of it on the program. we. it was a new to me and i've been to live one you called me on my cell phone and told me

that you are a slum bullshit of the looks on the patrol do you send it off with one. but it really looks like the pictures shown to us by the u.k. doesn't mean that if the. next year you know someone why you. and we are those who are shown to you in the pictures with a sheet of. and i would throw at the russians are those your real names national the your real names and what does he just called them but even now when you are talking about it to tell you the truth you look very nervous on them. i can move what would you look like your when your life is turned upside down in a moment in just one day and changed our lives this story has been in the headlines since march but it's only about a week ten days ago that these two faces these things appeared in media in public discourse released by yuko thought to these men certainly resemble those in c.c.t.v. images released by u.k. police they have confirmed they. will file alexander petroff that they were in the

u.k. on those days they were on those c.c.t.v. images a lot of digging a lot of journalists trying to do some some news how it worked out to track them down in the end they came forward voluntarily they made a phone call to margarita simonyan our editor in chief and voluntarily decided to answer some of the key questions i'm sure many people would have had about what exactly happened on those days and they exam this is that if you would is from london you walk in those now famous codes and sneakers and soles brick. walls are these people you yes. what were you doing there and our friends have been suggesting for a long time that we visit this wonderful town souls' very wonderful town yes a tourist town. there is the famous solsbury cathedral famous not only in europe but in the whole

world. it's famous for its one hundred twenty three metre spire. it is famous for its clock one of the first ever created in the world but still working. in the total body of. bit of a book. this is so you came to stores greet to take a look at the clock on the cello no we plan to visit london at first and have fun there but. it wasn't a business trip this time. and we planned to go to london and then to salisbury. but when we were almost there we thought the plane wouldn't land on the first drive because there was a heavy snowstorm that's because of all the havoc they had with transport in the u.k. on march second and third because of heavy snow for them nearly all the cities were paralyzed we were unable to go anywhere now so that's just a small x.

said this whole thing goes all of my groups are asking them some pretty basic questions for trying to get in there to get some info from them the main thing of course britain says alleges is that the. russian intelligence officers that was tackled to year those surprises they denied any links to the g.r.u. the russian military intelligence service they didn't reveal too much about their business their work they said they work in the sports industry in sports nutrition fitzsimmons protein amino acids. in the interview they said they decided to come to the media for protection they didn't know where to turn and they were confused by the media attention the speculation saying their lives that affect really been. by all of us what do you work for the g.r.u. and you me and you and i don't either but no one accuses me of working for the gerry he was but you are being accused of that your colleagues accuse us of that by your colleagues you mean journalists you are being accused by you get for it it yes that's the scariest thing where do you work if you are adults you need to make

a living if we tell you about our business people we work with will be affected tell me anything so that we believe you everyone has questions what do you do to cut a long story short we're in the fitness industry all right now they also want to say don't they that their lives in a badly affected by this they say they came to our. marguerite is a prominent broadcaster here and often online that they came to our tea for some sort of safety although because we're journalists not lawyers what was that about you know that's right only that that's one of the quotes that moderators job was to get some answers to some questions not to defend them or protect them to get those answers and for the viewer to decide whether they believe this version or not they say they can't leave the house they can't go to the shop can't go to the petrol station they fear for their families being somehow involved implicated in all of this. that's why they chose to come forward voluntarily to some of these questions although there may be more questions than answers of course after all of this let's take a listen. sneak why did you decide to go to the media your photos were published

some time ago together with your names but you kept silent with them today you called me because you want to speak to the media what's changed. they should to ask for protection is that the more the way you can say we kept silent after our lives turned into a nightmare we didn't know what to do where to go when the police the investigative committee the u.k. embassy you know. or the f.s.b. we don't know why would you go to the u.k. embassy. we really didn't know what to do where to go hello. you know when your life is turned upside down you don't really understand what to do and where to go and many say why don't they go to the u.k. embassy and explain everything. think a lot of viewers are going to see this interview will have quite mixed feelings the men are clearly slightly uncomfortable some will have more questions to ask some

will view this as another piece of the jigsaw puzzle that is the case of course that is going to bit of a game of chess really between the u.k. and russia. the men refused to show their passports that a doctor identity documents on camera they said that one journalist to carry on digging into their past lives their families they did show them to margarita simonyan she confirmed that they do matter. with her identity she made a few comments after the interview just giving some of her own prussians about their interaction i knew they were nervous and sweating a lot i had to turn up the air conditioning a lot higher than usual and still they were sweating and wiping their foreheads which obviously happens when people are nervous there could be a lot of reasons for it but i understand this was the first interview in their lives but they could have been nervous for other reasons as well that's also possible they refused to show their i.d.'s on camera because they didn't want to be pursued and identified further but they showed them to me that i did not run the polygraph on them as a journalist i believe what they see i saw those were the people i saw their i.d.'s

and that they feed the photos and video what was going through their minds and whether there was beaking the truth it's hard to see it's up to those who watched the interview to decide. really this is but a chance for those two suspects to give some sort of have some sort of right of reply here to give their version of events their story and explain their presence in the u.k. account for their actions during those days and i mean really give their version of events here whether the public will believe that as margarita said she didn't want to give her impression her job was to ask those questions. of course remains to be seen and waiting for responses from. officials see where this goes next reacting to the interview britain's top diplomat slammed it as a fake t.v. show our london correspondent boyko goes through some of the other reactions from u.k. officials including the prime minister's office. reso margarita simonyan saying that it's up to the viewer to decide what to make of this interview and it's fair to say

that the british government has given it a massive thumbs down to reason a spokes person has rubbish the accounts provided by alexander patrol from a share of and they've used pretty strong language to do it take a listen to the law and blades in for brooke asians in this interview given to a russian state sponsored t.v. station are an insult to the public's intelligence well that same government statement goes on to say that an illegal chemical weapon was used on the streets of the country and that four people asked seriously ill in hospital and an innocent woman died and russia has responded with contempt now this is the second official statement that we've had from the government from downing street earlier on immediately after the interview was first ed there was a statement from the government and it was similarly scathing take a listen the government is clear these men are officers of the russian military

intelligence service the g.r.u. who use it devastatingly toxic illegal chemical weapon on the streets of our country we have repeatedly asked russia to account for what happened in so was three in march today just as we have seen throughout they have responded with all of this case and lies. so i think to say that the british authorities are buying it is to say nothing at all really no one's going to be lining up to give them any acting accolades certainly not here in the u.k. all the politicians have been rather skeptical to the member of parliament for soulsby john glenn he's tweeted saying that he's delighted that alexander patrol from respond to share of enjoyed the world class attractions that sells but he has to offer but it's very strange to come all this way for just two days while carrying novacek in their luggage he also said that soulsby welcomes tourists from around the world and it is very much open for business but the patrols the sheriff

statements according to john glenn are not credible and don't match the widely accepted intelligence that the u.k. has on these individuals so you can see that this is a spat that is getting worse and we've got to the next stage of it now because we've had a response from the russian foreign ministry spokesperson that's maria's the horror of us so she's responded to the u.k.'s response to the interview and she has some questions for the british authorities issued this issue in the new book i believe it's absolutely unacceptable to accuse people of telling lies forty minutes after they have spoken out so i repeat my question directly to the british what is the legal basis and framework for accusing russian citizens of telling lies forty minutes after new interview what was the reason for that what was so specifically non-credible and what the. official authorities accuse someone of. you must be

responsible for the. so we're in a situation now where london is dismissing the interview and moscow's got questions about why london is dismissing the interview and london is reminding moscow that they have questions that haven't been answered by the kremlin from the very beginning in this affair it looks like we're getting statements and counter statements but that doesn't appear to be any dialogue taking place between london and moscow right now russia analyst martin mccauley thinks it's unlikely that even london or moscow or change their stance on the script power case the british government has claimed that patrol for bashir of where our officers of the g.r.u. that's the point of made over and over again and of course they can't know when they say they're not the country to go back british government cannot go back sorry we made a mistake so therefore the british government is keeping to its arguments which is

usually our six months and mosque was keeping to its arguments and of course there's one statement counter statement one side says one thing and the other side says no that's not correct we don't believe that we want further clarification of the british point of view they just keep on repeating what have said before they haven't really offered then any different attitude a different point of view and a different evidence to show that. the arbiter of and be sure of our members g.r.u. because from british government point of view it's absolutely impossible to prove that actually members they're the officers of the g.r.u. because they don't have access to the. two that have information all they can say is the bones of probability it is we think that. we're almost certain that that's

as far as the british government can go. across the atlantic here. snow america's evolving to impose new sanctions on russia for its alleged use of a nerve agents in the script case plan to impose a very severe second round of sanctions under the sea the global community will not tolerate behavior such as we've seen from russia especially in poisoning and killing its own citizens we are absolutely prepared to fully implement the second round of sanctions says it will include banking sanctions a prohibition on obtaining defense articles and aid money but back in august it was stated that the second round of sanctions could include cutting diplomatic ties with russia and ing all aeroflot travel and stopping all imports and exports but things said that the second round of sanctions would not be imposed if russia commits to on site inspections we have indicated to them that they can evade the

they can make themselves not subject to these sanctions if they allow the on site inspections as you've indicated if they give us a verifiable assurance that they will not use these nerve agents against their own people again they have not done so so far it should be noted that last october the u.n. verified the destruction of russia's chemical weapons and confirmed that all of russia's chemical weapons facilities were closed through on site inspections do you think they're going to admit their use goes on their own people. congressman at this point it's not even a matter of russia admitting it we we know they did that are you know this all began when a former double agent and his daughter were poisoned back in march chuck was determined to be the agent used and everyone blamed russia because the agent was originally developed in the former u.s.s.r. but since ninety one it's been developed in several other countries russia has repeatedly denied involvement and has even offered to cooperate in an investigation

and the o.p.c. w. and porton down the british lab that analyzed the samples couldn't even identify the source or country of origin with all that being said all we can do right now is wait until november to see if the sanctions are indeed imposed. staying on the topic of sanctions still no trump signed off on tackling alleged foreign interference in u.s. elections which he describes as a national emergency the president's issued an executive order which focuses on any attempts by individuals or countries so influence the old to results the crucial midterm elections in november iciness the primary reason for the coming in now. in the events that meddling is prevent sanctions would be imposed targeting sectors of strategic significance like finance or defense it goes down of takes a closer look. trump has declared war on election meddling rules of engagement weapons free. to the assessment show identified to the maximum extent

ascertainable the nature of any foreign interference in any methods employed to executed the persons involved and the foreign government or governments that authorized directed sponsored or supported it don't be thrown off by the formal word government the us president understands that in a very abstract sense everyone and anything can be a government of sorts an actual authority a political party and even an individual all are designated targets. when it comes to new ones on a scale between a sniper rifle and carpet bombing trump is closer to a firm a nuclear blast his understanding of interference is so broad it seems the president thinks the us election can be swayed by accident disclosing information threatening to disclose information undermining public confidence in a candidate by these rules everyone retreating we can leaks outside of america

would be interfering in the election. so is the twenty sixteen election meddling case now closed after all the u.s. intelligence all agree long ago that russia meddled in that vote but of course trump wrong be shooting himself in the foot the term united states election means any election for federal office held on or after the date of this order that's right the executive order covers the upcoming midterms and on wards in case of any meddling the investigation will have to review all evidence within forty. five days but chances are you won't see any of that. the framework which may be classified in whole or in part shall focus on ensuring that agencies for fill their responsibilities pursuant to this order in a manner that maintains methodological consistency the shroud of secrecy around the

forensics might as well conceal the lack of it the executive order allows an appeal in the century a gut feeling assigning blame although there has been no evidence of a foreign power altering the outcome or vote tabulation in any united states election foreign powers have historically sought to exploit america's free and open political system trump didn't sign an executive order he created a magic bullet for himself marketed to the public as something that will protect them and which allows the white house to target whoever it wants. this b i director has been quick to win the white house safe in mid to mentioning highlighting what he called russia's information warfare capabilities chris to raise comments come just one day off the don't want trumps on these just discussed however even for twenty twenty presidential hopeful for the libertarian party says the threat of meddling isn't coming from abroad but much closer to home i think

it's going to be more likely to be part of the kind of dissin for manned mission campaigns our government has been running against the other kind of things that were shown to be true from the revelations that came from for example edward snowden quite frankly whatever miniscule impact that russia or china has it's so small it's either nonexistent or so small as to be irrelevant when it comes to united states elections neither oppose any kind of meaningful significant threat of any kind the actual threat to our elections come from the organizations that benefit from government spending we're talking about teachers you were talking about the military industrial complex lobby is metal that american elections those people meddle in american elections. still to come this hour the u.s. and russia look ahead save energy supplies in europe we get a lot of reaction after this break.

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so what you want to express. yourself want to. achieve right. that's what you. really want to keep you. interested always in the water. there should be. welcome back to the program the top energy chiefs of the u.s. and russia have met for crunch talks over the north stream two projects with the american side claiming the pipeline with its washington's european allies the nord stream two pipeline will transport russian natural gas to germany by the baltic sea when completed its but the u.s. sees the multinational project looking to gain leverage over you'll read here's what the energy ministers have to say. we discussed joint gas infrastructure

projects such as north stream to our position is that it is a commercial project that should be implemented in a competitive weight and concerning energy policy in europe we believe there should be a competitive market based approach relative to stream two. for purposes of clarity the united states does not agree that its completion is indeed. in the best interest of the european union we have our disagreements we have our challenges but dialogue is very very important to these two countries i'm optimistic that the future dialogues will be productive. however in washington's gates who say when it comes to other countries rick perry made it very out of line will face american and functions. so the message is clear.

to the iranian government that if you cannot will not participate. as a reasonable citizen there will be sanctions there will be a cost to you the united states is in a position today to send a message to countries that do not participate. in a civilized way there will be punished there are a lot of ways to do that. and history began to. discuss that it's now cross life to collin cavill an associate professor of political science colony a very welcome to the program do you see moscow entering dialogue with the what with washington and even north string take a when the u.s. isn't king so we can russia's position in the energy market with these sanctions.

the united states is trying to use bravado and braga dos you know to that it can dictate who intrudes into the we're all or also boy or more war those droids who are deal with rather awkwardly turned on by the war who. the bigger movie role in the world of the world is that of joe barton. now the rick perry who were its use as they were or that goes with russia but they were written in iran or that the middle east and they are written the rest with your dream to. sort of do was more when they were in europe well the u.s. energy secretary described the pipeline project as russia's leverage avery your at

but isn't the u.s. looking to gain leverage with its energy sanctions for example with iran. absolutely the united states has a near monopoly in supplying europe with all of africa. iran has been selling oil since the j. boat agreement and then supposed to is in love imber the united states under presidents from. any country who deals with iran will be sanctions now this threatening iran directly with any type of political activity in this thread leave russia with pursuing its no word stream to or with gas pipeline to europe to the united states is attempting to dictate who is going to supply the duties of europe but if we go back to what rick perry said he said that countries that doesn't participate in

a civil way will be punished but what action do you see america taking. well when he says don't just begun a civil way what he means is they don't follow the u.s. dictates the u.s. edge of monic dictate because the u.s. does not act civilly in the middle east it does not actively in north africa does not act similarly in syria does certainly and many other places so what we simply making is that the united is an imperial had a model and it can punish those or believe that by this those who do not adhere to it the story will remain a cable when the that's and now precious little thought scullin cavill associate professor of political science banking. well if you play ball news in around thirty minutes time see about.

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