true is that a bad economy or your own money but climate or truth be beneficial a good closer to make you money for you. and. the two men named by the u.k.'s suspects in the script paul poisoning case tonight any involvement in the incidents they've been speaking exclusively to all say you really look like the pictures shown to us by the uki while. we are those who were shown to you in the pictures. and i would say underpants for the rest of those you real names you know our real names the british prime minister's office has responded to the interview wanting it law is that i'm fabrications while russians

also then than to clarify as harsh reaction made only minutes after the interview adds. still more troubling signs an executive order to counter a supposed foreign interference in america's elections head of november's crucial midterm votes. you can read the full story is safe on our website so i'll be back again with the headlines in about an hour's time right now though it's safe and. hello welcome to sophie and co i'm sophie shevardnadze the politicians and businessmen are gathering here at the economic forum and are russia's far east but outside is hauled a bigger question lou climate change. as laura violent storms and heat waves

advance care we really do something about it and get our act together well i talked to a nobel peace prize winner and a member of the intergovernmental committee on climate change write quote chung. is the effects of climate change become harder to ignore with record breaking heat waves and dangerous storms the need for actions becoming desperate governments around the world continue to linger unable to follow a single strategy how much longer will the planet allow us to wait what can finally breathe humanity to take action against manmade climate change it should already be too late to stop the time. poster child thank you very much for being with us today it's a great pleasure let's talk about let's start with climate change but this it's such a huge topic and people are divided on it for instance the summer the world the world went through and now they're breaking the record records and it's summer in

europe it seems to get worse and worse so is this climate change action is this what it looks like. to me i have been following the climate change issues for more than twenty years and we have been given the warning from nine hundred ninety s. that the climate change you are becoming but now i say that it has already arrived from. forty degree and we never experienced this kind of way but it is not only in korea. greece portugal and even united states or suffering from terrible draw to as well as wildfires no i think these are really showing the earth is really showing you saying greed and fury to the word that they are really getting serious climate change so the beginning of a new risk for climate crisis so i heard a u.n. secretary general. say for the millions of time we have to do was we'll have to do

something about it right now so why can't the u.n. does something i can they are. many people think you can do something about it right but in fact the u.n. is a close election. it's just a platform all the countries to come. to unite to take a joint action so un alone is not cannot take any action you're going to have to be forcibly taking countries to take actions so that has been the order you has been playing it so that's it's like a scientific point of view scientists say that the whole world should come together . and we should all be together in this quest says but it's a little naive to think that each nation is just going to jump forward into this process the same planet because it just doesn't seem to be a number one priority understanding in nations like china this is it naive to think

that you know it will just come together that is it for me very puzzling question because you for you would think you life easy in danger many people would take a very immediate action to save your life right but if the danger is coming you know through fission people not aware about the danger which is coming sooner or later for example i'd like to take just one date many people still have adult some people who deny climate change but the energy logical effect eight million years ago when the c o two concentrations you got to miss fear was about four hundred ppm at the time there was no ice in the north spore and the wind forty million years ago when there was good to see or to was four hundred one hundred ppm at that time there was a nor i you see this all sport now we are already. four hundred ppm so we will

assume a later we'll have an old war ice in the north maybe some people say those are good news for russia but sooner or later the sea level is going up and if we. say one hundred ppm and many people project we will even one thousand ppm by the end of the century the newfies one thousand ppm then you do get the six to seven degree hotter and that the sea level was was forty million years ago when you do a seven hundred ppm sea level or was one hundred meters high so this is a jeweler's jeweler lose a cold fact and if this kind of thing is that it really happening but there's no ice on most insults and that the sea level is going up is a matter over so valuable and so busted people don't get it because there is a saying the problem is that this facts aren't a secret it's open information people keep saying and stating that is trying to

destroy well respected people like you. and then people somehow aren't convinced for instance mr trout it doesn't seem to think that climate change is real and harmful americans don't think climate change is real i said in this sense how can smart educated people and i certainly think trump is smart and educated still have doubts about something so obvious. the reason he is my community is michael me is because it's because we are leaving you know we're real so much abscessed to read the short term profit and the short term interest and the maximizing making fast money last year. for hurricane or mo was a hit in miami and a day or telecasting only line and real time these like the telecasting the climate crisis as if it's just a game. but it's not

a game is really happening and then you do the more stronger hurricanes are coming and wired for you as a company so do you feel like maybe they were all of p.r. things like nobel peace prize or al gore for instance doing a documentary on environmental change do you feel that that shames people into doing something is it a good approach to for instance shame trump or shame governments into taking and for me yes i'm taking a different approach to arguing that climate crisis is coming i don't think that that's enough that's not enough so while i'm so what i'm focusing on is. the reason the basic reason these people are not taking any action for climate change is because climate action is going to like for example to reduce to c o two emissions is going to damage the economy growth and jobs and my money that's why did i not taken the actions so i'm trying to say that in reality if we take

action for c o two the action like energy efficiency renewable energy you do actually generate the more money and the board jobs and even higher economic growth so i want to change the story line that climate actually is not a bad for the economy or your own money but climate action will be beneficial a good positive make you money for you this is the kind of tied down to money that people will take action just right i mean we have a thinking maybe think it becomes fashionable it can become a trend and that it becomes stale as you know america is very prone to movements like this need to movement for instance you know it's absolutely revolution as america saying let me something like that should happen in terms of climate change that all americans come together saying the climate change is real but truly it is happening in europe if you go to many european capitals. see these like open again

or arms to them so many people riding bicycles they defused to drive a car and that they already are riding bicycles so this kind of movement can happen in the united states as well but the design of the city in united states is not very good for driving a bicycle so this is a more fundamental problem but also in some other part of the word like china or other developing countries they are no threw away their bicycle that they are jumping into the cars no because at this season they wanted to enjoy the profit on the benefit of their economic growth and then they have serious trays like the paris agreement that's supposed to regulate but what you see is that these talks are stalled because nations are bickering about who's going to actually pay more or less on cutting a carbon emission that's right so if true it is like paris are in effect what is. a good pair school i mean their grievance is just a belt blown tory it's

a bulletin tory pledge and just a review so there's a gnome and a tree implementation one tradition of any commitment so it is just a voluntary mechanism so this is the we can use of the paris club or agreement why can't we make it mandatory like you're saying way way why can't nations come up with a treaty where everyone is obliged to actually somehow participate certainly people seem to agree on when it comes to nuclear weapons why can't they agree on you know cutting down on the harm the emission there is the question everybody is asking for climate so-called but i think it is because. nobody was do except kind from top down they won their freedom they won their short term interest they don't want to so this is the situation so this why i see it is more important to present to them that suit emission reduction rules. generate

more jobs and money for you i think there is a better way of a person aiding them to take action so now america pulled out of you think of kill the trade i don't get to kill the truth you know the sort of the going on for example a country like china india and the europe they are going to hit but with their actions the main reason why they always wanted for example for china china believes that the solar power with the power is going to stimulate you creating more jobs and the economy grows and even you let you call the heart of the electric car and the word is in china show china believes that a renewable energy has a future so they. are seeking that investing in renewable energy and the climate change action stimulated the economy grocery so there's a different attitude about the same issue so you do you really really see it sooner

or later the real reason to feel like america which will return to the paris trade it someday or do you think it's a done deal and then whoever it comes out to trump is not going to change their policy i think sooner or later or some people some other gov of some of the president who might come later maybe if you find that climate action is creating more jobs and making more money i think then they've changed their policy. so again i'm going to quote the secretary general isn't saying where on the edge of the in the base here but meanwhile the politicians they always argue about budgets and there is no progress made but can you really blame the poor countries poor countries who are countries for like not contributing to fight climate change there there's barely no no i mean when the answer is yes it is because i don't agree that blaming the developing country is the is not the solution because the puck to put the emission of c o two is much much higher. reach countries they are driving to

s.u.v.s and four wheel drive worse so they are spending a lot more energy and time we should show you cannot blame the poor countries they are put there but there is a very low like india is just one or two tony snow so the issue is how the rich countries can change their lifestyle and how they can do a better job for their own. just as they were created in the history let's take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to. nobel peace prize winner and a member of. climate change talking about climate so stay with us. with the advent of the trump presidency much has been said about america's cultural wars

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say we're back with rabbi chang nobel peace prize well at a member of the intergovernmental panel on climate change of new ways of living the search on so i know that there's an upcoming climate change conference and poland and big business leaders have been invited to feel like maybe if politicians can make take real actions the private business sector can and they can change things no but interestingly many major business businesses such as a british petroleum b.p. and the shale those are leading or the companies are also joining forces in taking climate action because they believe the future of as energy company they believe will be a new energy has a future for them so they cannot all need for cosi all for so if you're there to do cobol spreading the risk that they're trying to invest in the green energy as well so many companies in the private sector is changing the. detour they are even

asking for clear clear policy guidelines to take action they are saying to the police we are not denying climate action we want to clear a schedule then we will meet the target there is the attitude from probably private company but the plan the t.v. shows from this side they still afraid of losing the bullets because they are both in the by the people and the people don't like to take any high price for their energy like electricity they don't like it so the police was afraid of losing their boat that's why they cannot take action so we cannot blame the politicians because politicos that is somebody we both of them so i truly we have to blame ourselves because we have to hold somebody who can take actions let's stop electric super grades ok so this will actually allow. power to be transferred far with minimal loss as far as this place like when dolly i went to see lots of space a lot for a way will be able to transfer energy to china could that be an answer to coal

something that will really still have a little laugh yes. the i think it is a very important technological breakthrough because as you know the renewable energy they soul and with this they have a sort of limitations because control of korea or japan we don't have enough and then the space to install you know if full of panels so the linking those remote areas like m m would be a desert and also not only mostly about context and i'm not promoting the idea of the super but it. is installing huge scale solar and wind farm in kazakhstan and the linking all of those country along the secret and exporting and sharing the renewable energy i think that you see real be a game changer of a quantum jump of the generational bill will emerge because now we have incremental change of the new energy is growing but the speed is not enough and or. the speed

the re one has to be like a thirty forty percent every year but notice when the six percent seven percent every year that's not enough to meet the target so to make that one clinton jump all over the scale of renewable energy we need this kind of technological breakthrough like supercomputers that that could be a game changer in other ways to make this project like a super equates is a private investing project right and i think you said that there's a japanese investor who wants to invest i just want to write code of a trillion dollars you know in a project you know i mean a wonderful man but like to some he would say simply eccentric do you think if eccentric people like that will put that much money into projects they could become a trend and then there's the false it i don't think he's doing this because he's crazy or he is a philanthropic no he calculated and he found out it makes sense in the comically he was has already calculate that he can make money that's why he's

investing so he's not crazy so very important the reason i am promoting that personally i'm very supportive of this chris support is because you can generate the money and create jobs. but in cutoffs the country like a test run because you fuel invest in a larger scale the cost of the letter city goes down and down and down and get even cheaper then coal fired electricity poor fire the electricity is like about five to six cents per kilowatt now from this the solar panel is now already wind down to four cents in dubai and i would be already be taxed on in here you can go down to four cents show you so already even more cheaper then the pole this is why these to converge it can be a game changer we all need just need that largest piece of land but it's not going to cut up. or there's

a new siberia what can't can't can't be implemented somewhere like for instance where there's like a lot of sun you know of course of course there has been talking about it but it's so far on till now no bill we've been has been so much. technological problems that's why this project it didn't go very well but now both two to three years ago they completed this is almost at the level of completion no technological breakthrough so now they say it is a really rich do you like this new ideas about power or how countries to produce solar and wind energy is because they i see resources are a blessing for some countries and then not for others for instance you look at africa and like one of the richest countries with diamonds and so many natural resources but then they're so poor you know so this is why that is why we need a super glue that we have to link these countries read the long line long distance transmission line actually there's no bill in the my idea but. you see here no he

already proposed in twenty fifteen global energy interconnection all around the world or on whole work with the super deep so already people are talking about it i think that's why i think through a later this will make a big breakthrough. but the answer to the problem of dirty power is actually to produce cleaner power and are these ways to reduce consumption of power all together. yes no it's time for us to i was arguing to people in korea and all over the world that we have to differentiate. clean power and the dirty power because of to care about our future and also bible and so you can like just like the gas i think of the gas which is very abundant you know each and russia russia can contribute to by exporting all of that would guess to the word get. can be

a kind of breach from very dirty to very clean but the gas is going to be in the middle and the for some time in the future gas can be filling the gap until we are able to reach over transform tradition towards a very clean energy sources so i think russia has a big role to play by exporting its use so then there is also the problem of balance because obviously a lot of countries are very keen on sustainable living but what good is it to for instance cut carbon emissions in germany or europe if china keeps colluding there rest of the world at least at the same time as other countries are cutting it where it is but but you have to you you don't have to forget about the fact that the pocket at the emission of china has been very low recently the emission of c o two to germany and china may be. almost the same same level no but for a long time for twenty thirty years china income is the mission has been very low

so we cannot blame them but. i am a little myer the chinese action because china is taking a very decisive action as you might know china already if you place the all the bull you lose in beijing with the gas they were the completely closed down the coal fired the boilers there sold china's to the a trying to is promoting electric cars so a day or so shutting down a dirty coal of fire the paul planes they've been ordered to destroying what are hundreds of them showed trying to take a very decisive action so that chinese a pass a mission eases slowing down faster then you know the country in the history of economic development so you've mentioned couple attaching the internet and in order for that for people to be conscious about the climate change and actually go forward with this sustainable living it has to be tied with money and you know what give me your ideal picture how can we develop. a way of life that wouldn't

accelerate climate change that wouldn't dent economies. that would be too costly to livelihoods. i have a very interesting idea nobody my idea but it has been there already the cheese. tax reform the cheese tax reform tax reform because the tax system we have now we have to pay no tax based on no income right so you're paying tax from your income celery right but if you change the texas system we pay tax based on consumption obo energy and resources so the more you consume then you pay more taxes right snuggle new just based on the income that really change your lifestyle do also change your production pattern so production and consumption put the new change towards more energy efficient and resource efficient lifestyle there do i think even so that's a very good answer to think that could be implemented in any forseeable future or really far from. it is my dream that people for whom the green light you know

about so better are at this why i was trying to find a good example european countries have some good examples like us we're doing them out of germany at the head in their living high tax on energy so because of a high tax their energy efficiency is very high and so with their pocketbook the energy consumption is rolled so this season example how the tax system can change our lifestyle another lifestyle award the city design and the people riding bicycles and there you go to the down those cities in the european city small city it is very compact and a densely populated soul that energy efficiency is very high but in the united states you see people driving to sell verbs and the leading individual houses are so these spending much high energy consumption so if you change the text of system you do change zero or one design you do change your transpose system to change on.

also i'm wondering you know maybe it's a generational thing as well as for us for people who are used to driving cars and living their life that will leave it so hard to give all those things out there you know maybe there's going to be a next generation that will calculate on their i phone app the eco i am free they will be more conscious about things like that and for them driving cars is not even an issue because in ten years time when i'm going to be driving cars you know but but just to blaming people for driving cars is not a solution i think we have to offer solutions for them for example like a single poll in singapore they have a system where you discouraging people from riding by driving cars they have or can the systems like a charging they are trying to you have to pay no more you drive. me to you have to pay for it you know but. at the same time singaporean government to the heavily on public transportation so you have alternative options so you even redevelop the

driving call you can move or owned everywhere with the problem so you have to offer those solutions for the people you cannot just imposes on the discordian people not to drive cars isn't on and so so even in like most go or in brother now i see there are terrible traffic congestion you the reason is because you cannot just blame people because they have to go somewhere then the answer is the how you can improve the public transportation system i think this is a role over the government so government has to play a leading role in making the transition tours and turns because use them but design and those attacks are system so you cannot be done by the market you just the it is the job of the government were so poised to be truly job that people said shannon thank you very much for the secretary and i hope your visions will be implemented in the near future so it can all live in a safer greener place thank you so much for the purchase of the boat. you know

a real concern here. in the. dennis kucinich was taken up with obama's plane came down and it was a cause her to obama care he was the last man standing chorus bernie sanders was like oh yeah you know medicare for all be great but we're just going to let slide because progressive are going to progress to something better at some point they're not progressing at all.