it's summer in europe it seems to get worse and worse so is this climate change in action is this what it looks like it feels like to me i have been following the climate change issues for more than twenty years and we have been given the warning from nineteen ninety s that the climate change would be coming but now i say that it has already arrived from d.c. and so are two dollars obo forty degree and we never experienced this kind of wave and but it is not only in korea even sweden norway feel on them and or so greece portugal and even united states or suffering from terrible drop to as red as why the fires no i think these are really showing the earth is really showing you saying greed and fury to the to the word that they are really getting serious climate change so he did so in the beginning of a new risk for climate crisis so i heard the un secretary general say for the

millions of time we have to do was we'll have to do something about it right now so why can't the un does something in a candidate. many people think you and can do something about it right but in fact the un is a close election. it's just a platform all the countries to come. to unite to take a joint action so un alone is not cannot take any action un has to be forcibly taking countries to take actions so that has been the order that has been playing it so that's it's like a scientific point of view scientists say that the whole world should come together . and we should all be together in this process but it's a little naive to think that each nation is just going to jump forward into this process segment planet because it just doesn't seem to be a number one priority. of the several nations

a candidate is it naive to think that you know will just come together it is for me very puzzling question because if you think you life easy in danger many people will take a very immediate action to save your life right but if the danger is coming you know slow fashion people are not always about the danger which is coming sooner or later for example i'd like to take just one date many people still have adult some peepers to deny climate change but in a geological effect eight million years ago when the c o two concentrations you got to miss fear was about four hundred ppm at that time there was no ice in the north spore and the wind of forty million years ago when there was good to see or to was four hundred and seven hundred ppm at that time there was no ice in the south spore and now we are already four hundred ppm so we will assume

a while later we'll have an old more ice in the north maybe some people say those are good news for russia but sooner or later the sea level is going up and if we all of over say one hundred ppm and many people project we will even go over it one thousand ppm by the end of the century then you fix one thousand ppm then you do get the six to seven degree hotter and that the sea level was was forty million years ago when you do a seven hundred ppm sea level or was one hundred meters high so this is a joyous jeweler logical fact and if this kind of thing is it really happening but there's no ice on most insults and that the sea level is going up is a matter of survival and so busted people don't take because it is the same that brought a profit on the benefit of the economy grows when they have serious strays like.

the paris agreement that's supposed to regulate but what you see is that these talks are stalled because nations are bickering about who's going to actually pay more or less on cutting a carbon emission that's right so if true it is like paris aren't effective what is . a good pair school i mean their grievance is just a belt blown tory is a bulletin tory pledge and just a review so there's a gnome and a tree implementation where you traditions of any commitment so it is just a voluntary mechanism so this is the we can use of the paris club the agreement why can't we make it mandatory like you're saying way way why can't nations come up with a treaty where everyone is obliged to actually somehow participate certainly people seem to agree on when it comes to nuclear weapons why can't they agree on you know cutting down your time and emission there is the question everybody is asking for a climate so cold but though i think it is because. nobody was do except

kind from up down they want their freedom they want their short term interest they don't want to so this is the situation so this why i see it is more important to present to them that suit emission reduction will generate more jobs and money for you i think there is a better way of a person hating them to take action so now merica pulled out of their state do you think if kill the trade i don't get to kill the truth you know as the sort of the going on with for example a country like china india and the europe they are going to hit with their actions the main reason why dale boys wanted for example for china china believes that the solar power wind power is going to stimulate creating more jobs and the economy grows and even electrical half of the electric car in the word is in charge. you

know show china believes that a renewable energy has a future so they are. seeking that investing in renewable energy and the climate change action stimulated the economy growth rate so there's a different attitude about the same issue so you do you really see you soon will later the real reason to feel like america which will return to paris trade it someday or do you think it's a done deal and then whoever it comes out to trump is not going to change their policy i think sooner or later. some people so mother some of the prisoners who might come later maybe find that climate action is creating more jobs and making more money i think then they change their policy. so again i'm going to quote the secretary general he's saying where on the action of the in the base here but meanwhile the politicians they always argue about budgets and there is no progress made but can you really blame the poor countries poor countries who are countries

far like not contributing to fight climate change there there's barely no no i don't mean with your head is that i don't agree that blaming the developing country is is not the solution because the puck to put the emission of c o two is much much higher to reach countries they're driving the s.u.v.s and four wheel drive worse so they are spending a lot more energy and the c o two emission so would you cannot blame but the poor countries they are put there but there is a very low like an india is just one or two tons no so the issue is how the rich countries can change their lifestyle and how they can do a better job for their own. just as they were created in the history let's take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to one cello nobel peace prize winner and a member of the panel on climate change talking about climate change as the.

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i don't think the numbers mean something the politicians because politicos is somebody we both are there so i truly we have to blame ourselves because rip the board somebody who can take actions let's talk electric super greats so this will actually allow. power to be transferred far with minimal loss as far as place like when dolly what is lots of space left for a way and will be able to transfer enter. to china could that be an answer to coal something that will really still have a little last is. the i think it is a very important technological breakthrough because as you know the renewable energy like solar and wind they have a sort of limitations because control of korea or japan we don't have enough linda space to install you know if full of panels show the linking those remote areas like a bomb would be there and also another new movie about kutztown i'm not promoting the idea of the super committee that. is installing huge scale solar and wind

in kazakhstan and the linking all of those country along the sucrose that and exporting and sharing the renewable energy i think that you see real be a game changer of a quantum jump of the generational bill will emerge because now we have incremental change of the new energy is growing but the speed is not enough and or the speed the re one has to be like a thirty forty percent every year but now he's twenty six percent seven percent every year that's not enough to meet the target so to make that one of them jump all over the scale of renewable energy we need this kind of technological breakthrough like supercomputers that that could be a game changer in other ways to make this project like super equates as a private investing project right and i think you said that there's a japanese investor who wants to invest i just want to write quarterly trillion

dollars you know in a project you know i mean a wonderful man but like to some he would say simply eccentric do you think if eccentric people like that will put that much money into projects they could become a trend and then others will follow suit i don't think he's doing this because he's crazy or he is a philanthropic no he calculated that and he found out it makes sense in the comically he was has already calculate that. well he can make money that's why he's investing so he's not crazy so very important the reason i am promoting that personally i am very supportive of this kind of simple to use because you can generate the money and create jobs. but in cutoffs the country like a test run because you fuel invest you know large scale the cost of the letter city goes down and down and down and get even cheaper then coal fire electricity

poor fire the electricity is like about five to six cents per kilowatt now from this the solar panel is now already wind down to four cents in dubai and i would be already be taxed on in here you can go down to four cents show you so already even more cheaper than the pole this is why these to converge it can be a game changer we all need just need that largest piece of land but it's not going to cut a stunt or go with theirs or even in siberia what can't can't can't be implemented somewhere like for instance a heart where there's like a lot of sun you know of course of course there has been talking about it but it's so far until now no bill we've been has been some. technological problems that's why this project that didn't go very well but now about two to three years ago they completed this is almost at the level of completion no technological breakthrough so now they say it isn't really in doubt which do you like this new ideas about

power or how countries to produce solar and wind energy is because they i see resources are a blessing for some countries and then not for others for instance you look at africa and like one of the richest countries with diamonds and so many natural resources but then there are so poor you know so this is why that is why we need a super glue that we have to link these countries read the long line long distance transmission line. actually there is no the my idea but. you know he already proposed in twenty fifteen global energy interconnection all around the world or on whole word read the super deep so already people are talking about it i think that's why i think sooner or later this will make a big breakthrough. and the answer to the problem of dirty power is actually to produce cleaner power are these ways to reduce consumption of power all together.

yes no it's time for us to i was arguing to my people in korea and all over the world that we have to differentiate. clean power and the dirty power because of to care about our future and also bible and so. like energy sources like the gas i think of the gas which is very abundant you know each and russia russia can contribute to by exporting a lot i would guess to the work gas can be a kind of breech from very dirty to very clean but the gas is going to be in the middle and the for some time in the future gas can be filling the gap until we are able to reach over transform tradition towards a very clean energy sources so i think russia has a big role to play by exporting gases so then there's also the problem of balance because obviously a lot of countries are very keen on sustainable living but what good is it to for

instance cut carbon emissions in germany or europe if china keeps colluding there rest of the world at least at the same time as other countries are cutting it where it is but but you have to view you don't have to forget about the fact that the pocket at the emission of china has been very low recently the pocket of c o two the germany and the china may be. almost the same same level no but for. for a long time for twenty thirty years china is of course if the income is the mission has been very low so we cannot blame them but. i am a little myer the chinese action because china is taking a very decisive action as you might know china already if you place the all the boy who lives in beijing with the gas there or the completely closed down the coal fired the boilers they're sold china is the end of the a trying to is promoting electric cars so a day or so shutting down the ability to fire the paul planes they've been ordered

to destroying what are hundreds of them so we're trying to take a very decisive action so that chinese a pass of c o two emissions eases slowing down faster then any other country in the history of economic development so you've mentioned couple of tazz during the interview that in order for that for people to be conscious about the climate change and actually go forward with this sustainable living it has to be tied with money and you know what give me your ideal picture how can we develop a way of life that wouldn't accelerate climate change that wouldn't dent economies . that would be too costly to livelihoods. i have a very interesting idea nobody my idea but it has been there already the cheese. tax reform you cheese tax reform tax reform because the tax system we have now we have to pay no tax based on no income right so you're paying tax from your income celery right but if you change the texas system we pay tax based on consumption obo

energy and resources so the more you consume then you pay more taxes right snuggle new just based on the income that really change your lifestyle to do or so change your production pattern so production and consumption put the new change towards more energy efficient and resource efficient lifestyle there i think even so that's a very good answer to think that could be implemented in any forseeable future. really far from. it is my dream that people for whom green life you know of but so better at this why i was trying to find a good example european countries have some good examples like us we're doing them out of germany had to have been living high tax on energy so because of a high tax their energy efficiency is very high and so did put energy consumption is rolled so this season example how the tax system can change our lifestyle now the lifestyle award the city design and the people riding bicycles and there you go

to the down goes to pieces in the european city small city it is very compact and a densely populated so that the energy efficiency is very high but into my state you see people driving to sell verbs and believing individual houses are so if you spend too much high energy consumption so if you change the text of system you do change zero or one design you do change your transpose system to change your lifestyle also i'm wondering maybe it's a generational thing as well as for us for people who are used to driving cars and living their life that will leave it so hard to give all those things out there you know maybe there's going to be a next generation that will calculate on their i phone app the eco name for it they will be more conscious about things like that and for them driving cars is not even an issue because in ten years time when i'm going to be driving cars you know but but just to blaming people for driving cars is not

a solution i think we have to offer solutions for them for example like a single pole in singapore they have a system where you they are discouraging people from riding by driving cars they have or can the systems like a charging they are trying to you have to pay no more you drive. me tell you have to pay for it you know but. at the same time singaporean government image to the heavy elite on public. station so you have alternative option so you even redevelop the driving cause you can move all around everywhere without the problem so you have to offer those solutions for the people you cannot just imposes on the discordian people not to drive cars isn't an answer so or even in like a moscow or in brother postal now i see there are terrible traffic congestion here the reason is because you cannot just blame people because they have to go somewhere then the answer is the how you can improve the public transportation system i think this is a roll over the government so government has to play

a leading role in making the transition tours and as yet fission tense because use them or been designed and those are texas system so you cannot be done by the market it has the it is the job of the government or so or to me to leave a job of the people itself thank you i am.