he should already be too late to stop telling. mr chang thank you very much for being with us today it's a great pleasure lots to talk about let's start with climate change because it's such a huge topic and people are divided on it for instance the summer the world the world went through and now they're breaking this rock record way records and it's summer in europe it seems to get worse and worse so is this climate change action is this what it looks like it feels like to me i have been following the climate change issues for more than twenty years and we have been given the warning from nineteen ninety s. that the climate change would be coming but now i say that it has already arrived from d.c. and so are the dollars obo forty degree and we never experienced this kind of wave and but it is not only in korea even sweden norway finland the muck and or so greece portugal and even united states they are suffering from terrible draw to as

red as why the fires no i think these are really showing the earth is really showing you saying greed and fury to the to the word that they are really getting serious climate change so he did so in the beginning of a new risk for climate crisis so i heard the u.n. secretary general say for the millions of time we have to do this we'll have to do something about it right now so why can't the u.n. does something in a candidate. many people think you and can but something about it right but in fact the u.n. is a close election. it's just a platform all the countries to come. to unite to take a joint action so un alone is not cannot take any action you're going to have to be forcibly taking countries to take actions so that has been the order you that has been playing it so that's. like

a scientific point of view scientists say that the whole world should come together . and we should all be together in this process but it's a little naive to think that each nation is just going to jump forward into this process the same planet because it just doesn't seem to be a number one priority under several nations like china this isn't naive to think that you know it will just come together that is it for me very puzzling question because if you would think. life easy in danger many people would take a very immediate action to save your life right but if the danger is coming you know through fission people not aware about the danger which is coming sooner or later for example i'd like to take just one date many people still have adult some people through the night and i'm a change but the energy logical effect eight million years ago when the c o two

concentrations you got to miss fear was about four hundred ppm at that time there was no ice in the north spore and the wind of forty million years ago when there was good to see or to was four hundred seven hundred ppm at that time there was a nor i you see the cell spore now we are already four hundred ppm so we will assume a later we'll have an old more ice in the north maybe some people say those are good news for russia but sooner or later the sea level is going up and if we all of over say one hundred ppm and many people project we will even go over it one thousand ppm by the end of the century then you feet is one thousand ppm then you do get the six to seven degree hotter and that the sea level was was forty million years ago when you do a seven hundred ppm sea level was one hundred meters. so do caesar jewelers jewelry

lose a cold fact and if this kind of thing is that it really happening with there's no ice on most in social and to the sea level it is we don't use a matter over so valuable and so bus to people don't because that is the saying that problem is that this facts aren't sacred it's open information people keep saying them stating that is trying to disrupt a well respected people like you. and then people somehow aren't convinced for instance mr trump he doesn't seem to think that climate change is real and harmful americans don't think climate change is real i said understand how can smart educated people and i certainly think trump is smart and educated still have doubts about something so obvious. the reason he is my community is michelman is because it's because we are leaving you know we're real strong much abscessed to read the short term profit and the short term interest and the maximizing making

fast money the last few years. pay for hurricane or mo was a hit to miami in the day you will tell a customer line and times these like the. climate crisis as if it's just a game but it's not a game is really happening and that you do the more stronger hurricanes are coming in. before you as a company so do you feel like maybe they were all of p.r. things like nobel peace prize or al gore for instance doing a documentary on environmental change do you feel that that shames people into doing something isn't a good approach to for instance shame trump or shame governments into taking anderson for me yes i'm taking a different approach to arguing that climate crisis is coming i don't think that that's enough that's not enough so what i. and so what i'm focusing on is. the

reason the basic reason these people are not taking any action for climate change is because climate action is going to like for example to reduce to c o two emissions is going to damage the economy growth and jobs and my money that's why i did not taken the actions so i am trying to say that in reality if we take action for c o two the auction like energy efficiency the newer energy you do actually generate the more money and the board jobs and even higher economic growth so i want to change the story line that climate actually is not a bad for the economy or your own money but climate action will be beneficial a good positive make you money for you this is the kind of stereotype down to money that people will take action to strike and maybe even thinking maybe think it becomes fashionable. become a trend and that it become a sale as you know america is very prone to you made movements like disney channel

and for instance you know it's absolutely revolution as i'm back asking me something like that should happen in terms of climate change that all americans has come together saying that i'm a change is real that truly it is happening in europe if you go to many european capitals and see these like open again or arms to them so many people riding bicycles they denied the fuse to drive a car and that they already are riding bicycles so this kind of movement can happen in the united states as well but the design of the city united states is not very good for driving a bicycle so this is a fundamental problem but also in some other part of the word like china or other developing countries they are now straw in a way they're bicycle that they are jumping into the cars now because if this is that they wanted to enjoy it the profit on the benefit of the economy grows. and

then they have serious trays like the paris agreement that's supposed to regulate but what you see is that these talks are stalled because nations are bickering about who's going to actually pay more or less on cutting a carbon emission that's right so if true it is like paris aren't effective what is . a good pair school i mean their grievance is just a belt blown tory it's a bulletin tory pledge and just a review so there's a gnome and a tree implementation where you traditions of any commitment so it is just absolutely mechanism so this is the we can use of the paris club the agreement why can't we make it mandatory like you're saying way way why can't nations come up with a treaty where everyone is obliged to actually somehow participate certainly people seem to agree on when it comes to nuclear weapons why can't they agree on you know cutting down on your time and emission there is the question everybody is asking for a climate so cold but though i think it is because. nobody wants to accept that kind

from top down they want their freedom they want their short term interest they don't want to so this is the situation so this why i see it is more important to present to them that suit emission reduction will generate more jobs and money for you i think there is a better way of a person hating them to take action so now merica pulled out of their state do you think it's kill the tree i build together we kill the truth you know as the sort of the going on with for example a country like china india and the europe they are going to hit with their actions the main reason why dale boys wanted for example for china china believes that the solar power with the power is going to stimulate you creating more jobs and the economy grows and even you let you call the heart of the electrical. the word is in

china show china believes that a renewable energy has a future so they. seeking that investing in renewable energy and climate change action stimulate the economy grocery so there's a different attitude about the same issue so you really reseat you sooner or later the real reason. to feel like america which will return to paris with it someday or do you think it's a done deal and then whoever it comes out to trump is not going to change their policy i think sooner or later or some people some other gov some of the president who might come later maybe find that climate action is creating more jobs and making more money i think then they've changed their policy. so again i'm going to quote the secretary general isn't saying where on the edge of the in the base here but meanwhile the politicians they always argue about budgets and there is no progress made but can you really blame the poor countries poor countries who are

countries far like not contributing to fight climate change there there's barely no no i mean what you're at is that i don't agree that blaming the developing country is the is not the solution because the puck to put the emission of c o two is much much higher to reach countries they're driving the s.u.v.s and four wheel drive worse so they are spending a lot more energy and the c o two emission so would you cannot blame but the poor countries they are put there but that misses a very low like an india is just one or two tons no so that is how the rich countries can change their lifestyle and how they can do a better job for their own. just as they were created in the history let's take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to dr klein cello nobel peace prize winner and a member of panel on climate change talking about. climate's will stay with us.

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back when it's the right light shining noble peace prize when i remember of the intergovernmental panel on climate change something about the new ways of living the search on so i know that there's an upcoming climate change conference and poland and make business leaders have been invited to feel like maybe if politicians can make take real action and private business private sector can and they can change things no but interestingly many major business businesses such as a british petroleum b.p. and the shale those a leading oil companies are also joining forces in taking climate action because they believe the future of energy company they believe the renewable energy has a future for them so they cannot hold for so if you'll have to do cobol spreading the risk that they're trying to invest in the green. of energy as well so many

companies in the private sector is changing the attitude they are even asking for clear clear policy guidelines to take action they are saying to the police we are not denying climate action we want to clear a schedule then we will meet the target there is the attitude from probably private company but the political from this side they still afraid of losing the bullets because they are both in the by the people and the people don't like to take any high price for their energy like electricity they don't like it so the police was afraid of losing their boat that's why they cannot take action so we cannot blame the politicians because politicos that is somebody we both of them so i truly if we have to blame ourselves because we have to hold somebody who can take actions let's talk electric separate rights so this will actually allow. power to be transferred far with minimal loss as far as this place like when dolly what is lots of space

a lot for a way will be able to transfer energy to china could that be an answer to coal something that will really still have a little laugh yes. the i think it is a very important technological breakthrough because as you know the renewable energy they soul and with this they have a certain limitations because country like korea or japan we don't have enough and the space to install you know it's full of panels so the linking those remote areas like m m would be a desert and also not only minimally about context and i'm not promoting the idea of secret the super committee that. is installing huge scale solar and wind farm in kazakhstan and linking all of those country along the secret and exporting and sharing the renewable energy i think that you see real be a game changer of a quantum jump of the generational bill will emerge because now we have incremental . change of the new energy is growing but the speed is not enough and or the speed

the re one has to be like a thirty forty percent every year but no use will be six percent seven percent every year that's not enough to meet the target so to make that one time jump all over the scale of renewable energy we need this kind of technological breakthrough like supercomputers that that could be a game changer in other ways to make this project like super equates as a private investing project right and i think you said that there's a japanese investor who wants to invest i just want to write code of a trillion dollars in a project you know i mean a wonderful man but like to some he would say simply eccentric do you think if eccentric people like that will put that much money into projects they could become a trend and then there's the false it i don't think he's doing this because he's crazy or he is a philanthropic no he calculated and he found out it makes sense in the

comically he was has already calculate that he can make money that's why he's investing so he's not crazy so very important the reason i am promoting this personally i'm very supportive of this kind of support is because you can generate the money and create jobs. but in cutoffs the country like a restaurant because you fuel invest in a larger scale the cost of the letter city goes down and down and down and get even cheaper then coal fired electricity poor fire the electricity is like about five to six cents per kilowatt now from this the solar panel is now already wind down to four cents in dubai and i would be already be taxed on in the year you can go down to four cents show you so already even more to put them to paul this is why these technology can be again. changer we all need just need that largest piece

of land but it's not going because of stuff or even to siberia what can't can't can't be implemented somewhere like for instance where there's like a lot of sun you know of course of course there has been talking about it but it's so far until now no bill we've been has been so much. technological problems that's why this project that didn't go very well but now both two to three years ago they completed this is almost at the level of completion no technological breakthrough so now they say is this really in the reach or do you like this new ideas about power or help countries to produce solar and wind energy is because they i see resources are a blessing for some countries and then not for others for instance you look at africa and like one of the richest countries with diamonds and so many natural resources but then they're so poor you know so this is why that is why we need a super glue that we have to link these countries read the long line long distance

transmission line actually does not need my idea but. you see here no he already proposed in twenty fifteen global energy interconnection all around the world or on whole work with the super deep so already people are talking about it i think that's why i think through a later this really make a big breakthrough that is the answer to the problem of dirty power is actually to produce cleaner power and are these ways to reduce consumption of power all together. yes no it's time for us to i was arguing to people in korea and all over the world that we have to differentiate. clean power and the dirty power because to care about our future and also bible and so you can like energy sources like a gas i think the gas which is very abundant the you know you can be. in russia

russia can continue to play exporting all of that would guess to the word gas can be a kind of breech from very dirty to very clean but the gas is going to be in the middle and the for some time in the future gas can be filling the gap until we are able to reach over transform tradition towards a very clean energy sources so i think russia has a big role to play by exporting its use so then there is also the problem of balance because obviously a lot of countries are very keen on sustainable living but what good is it to for instance cut carbon emissions in germany or europe if china keeps colluding there rest of the world at least at the same time as other countries are cutting it where it is but but you have to you you don't have to forget about the fact that the pocket the emission of china has been very low recently the part to put that i mean of c o two to germany and china maybe. almost same same level no but

for a long time for twenty thirty years china is a positive thing companies are part of the c o two emission has been very low so we cannot blame them but. i am a little myer the chinese action because china is taking a very decisive action as you might know china already placed all the boy lives in beijing with the gas they already completely closed down the coal fired the boilers there sold china's to the a trying to is promoting electric cars so a day or so shutting down the dirty coal of fire the paul planes they've been ordered to destroying what are hundreds of them showed trying to take a very decisive action so that chinese a pass of c o two emissions eases slowing down faster than any other country in the history of economic development so you've mentioned couple it has during the internet and in order for that for people to be conscious about the climate change and actually go forward with this sustainable. living it has to be tied with money

and you know what give me your ideal picture how can we develop a way of life that wouldn't accelerate climate change that wouldn't dent economies . that would be too costly to livelihoods. i have a very interesting idea nobody my idea but it has been there already the cheese. tax reform the cheese tax reform tax reform because the tax system we have now we have to pay no tax based on no income right so you're paying tax from your income celery right but if you change the texas system we pay tax based on consumption although energy and resources so don't more you consume than you pay more taxes right snuggle me just based on the income that really change your lifestyle do also change your production pattern so production and consumption put them to change towards more energy efficient and resource efficient lifestyle there i think even so that's a very good answer to think that could be implemented in any forseeable future or

really far from. it is my dream that people for whom green life you know about so better at this why i was trying to find a good example european countries have some good examples like us we're doing them out of germany they have been living high tax on energy so because of a high tax their energy efficiency is very high and so we did a poll to put energy consumption is rolled so this season example how the tax system can change our lifestyle now the lifestyle award the city design and the people riding bicycles and there you go to the down those two keys in the european city small city it is very compact and a densely populated soul that energy efficiency is very high but in the united states you see people driving to sell verbs and the leading individual houses there are so these spending much high energy consumption so if you change. the texas

system you do change zero or one design you do change your transpose system you do change your lifestyle also i'm wondering maybe it's a generational thing as well as for us for people who are used to driving cars and living their life that will leave it so hard to give all those things out there you know maybe there's going to be a next generation that will calculate on their i phone app the eco name for it they will be more conscious about things like that and for them driving cars is not even an issue because in ten years time when i'm going to be driving cars you know but but just to blaming people for driving cars is not a solution i think we have to offer solutions for them for example like a single pole in singapore people they have a system where you they are discouraging people from riding by driving cars they have all kinds of systems like a charging they are trying to you have to pay no more you drive. me tell you have to pay for it you know but. at the same time singaporean government invested the

heavy elite on public transportation so you have alternative options so you even redevelop the driving call you can move or owned everywhere with the problem so you have to offer those solutions for the people you cannot just imposes on the discordian people not to drive cars isn't on and so so even unlike most co or in brother postal now i see there are terrible traffic congestion you know the reason is because you cannot just blame people because they have to go somewhere then the answer is the how you can improve the public transportation system i think this is a role over the government so government has to play a leading role in making the transition tours and there's a fission to put this use them but urban design and those are texas system so you cannot be done by the market you that's the it is the job of the government or so or to be truly job the people it's a chance thank you very much for the secretary and i hope your visions will be implemented in the near future so. all live in a safe brainer. thank c.e.o.

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