being a warning for all ninety nine t. is that the climate change will be coming but now i say that it has already arrived from d.c. and so are you dollars obo forty degree and we never experienced this kind heat away and but it is not only in korea even sweden norway feel on them and or so greece portugal and even united states or suffering from terrible draw to as red as why the fires no i think these are really showing the earth is really showing you saying greed and fury to do it to the word that they are really getting serious climate change so he did so in the beginning of a new risk for climate crisis so i heard the un secretary general say for the millions of time we have to do was we'll have to do something about it right now so why can't the un does something i can they are. many people think you and can but something about it right but in fact the un is

a collection of it's just platform all the countries to come. to unite to take a joint action so un alone is not cannot take any action un has to be forcibly taking countries to take actions so that has been the order you has been playing it so that's like a scientific point of view scientists say that the whole world should come together . and we should all be together in this quest says but it's a little naive to think that each nation is just going to jump forward into this process segment planet because it just doesn't seem to be a number one priority understanding nations like china this is it naive to think that you know will just come together it is for me a very puzzling question because you for you would think you life easy in danger many people. you take

a very immediate action to save your life right but if the danger is coming you know through fashion people are not aware about the danger which is coming sooner or later for example i'd like to take just one date many people still have adult some peepers to deny climate change but the energy logical effect eight million years ago when the c o two concentrations you got to miss fear was about four hundred ppm at the time there was no ice in the north spore and the wind of forty million years ago when there was good to see or to was four hundred seven hundred ppm at that time those nor i see the cell spore now we are already four hundred ppm so we will assume a later we'll have an old more ice in the north maybe some people say those are good news for russia but sooner or later the sea level is going up and if we

all of over say one hundred ppm and many people project we will even go over it one thousand ppm by the end of the century then you fix one thousand ppm then you do get the six to seven degree hotter and that the sea level was was forty million years ago when you do a seven hundred ppm sea level or was one hundred meters high so this is a jeweler's jeweler lose a cold fact and if this kind of thing is it really happening but there's no ice on most insults and that the sea level is going up is a matter of survival and so busted people don't get it because it is the same the problem is that this facts aren't sacred it's an open information people keep saying and stating that is trying to destroy a well respected people like you. and then people somehow aren't convinced for instance mr trump it isn't same tale. i think that climate change is real and

hopeful americans don't think climate change is real i said in this sense how can smart educated people as it listening trump a smart and educated still have doubts about something so obvious. the reason is my community is michael me because because it is because we are leaving you know we're real so much abscessed to read the short term profit and the short term interest and the maximizing making fast money last year. for hurricane or mo was a hit in miami and the day will tell a customer only line and times these like the telecasting the climate crisis as if it's just a game but it's not a game is really happening and what you do the more stronger hurricanes are coming and the boss wide for you as a company so do you feel like maybe they were all of p.r. things like nobel peace prize or al gore for instance doing

a documentary on environmental change do you feel that that shames people into doing something isn't a good approach to for instance shame trunk or shame government and to take it on for me yes i'm taking a different approach to arguing that climate crisis is coming i don't think that that's enough that's not enough so while i'm so what i'm focusing on is. the reason the basic reason these people are not taking any action for climate change is because climate action is going to like for example to reduce to c o two emissions is going to damage the economy growth and jobs and my money that's why did i not taken the actions so i'm trying to say that in reality if we take action for c o two the auction like energy efficiency renewable energy you do actually generate the more money and the board jobs and even higher you can. gross

so i want to change the story line that climate actually is not a bad for the economy or your own money but claim addiction to be beneficial a good positive make you money for you this is the kind of tied down to money that people will take action to strike or maybe i was thinking maybe think it becomes fashionable it can become a trend and that it becomes stale as you know america is very prone to movements like this need to movement for instance you know it's absolutely revolution as america is saying let me something like that should happen in terms of climate change that all americans come together saying the climate change is real but truly it is happening in europe if you go to many european capitals and see this like a copenhagen or arms to them so many people are riding bicycles they defused to drive a car and that they already are riding bicycles so this kind of movement can happen in the united states as well but the design of the city united states is not very

good for driving a bicycle so this is a more fundamental problem but also in some other parts of the word like the china or other developing countries they are no threw away their bicycle they are jumping into the cars no because if this is that they wanted to enjoy the profit on the benefit of their economic growth then they have serious traits like the paris agreement that's supposed to regulate but what you see is that these talks are stalled because nations are bickering about who's going to actually pay more or less on cutting a carbon emission misread it is like paris are in effect what is. a good pair school i would agree but this is just a belt blown tory it's a bulletin tory pledge and just a review so there's a gnome in the tree implementation what you told you should of any commitment so it is just absolutely mechanism so this is that we can use of the previous claims.

agreement why can't we make it mandatory like you're saying way way why can't nations come up with a treaty where everyone is obliged to actually somehow participate certainly people seem to agree on when it comes to nuclear weapons why can't they agree on. cutting down on the mission there is the question everybody is asking for a climate so cold but though i think it is because. nobody was do except kind of oberg asian from top down they won their freedom they won their short term interest they don't want to so this is the situation so this why i see it is more important to present to them that suit emission reduction will generate more jobs and money for you i think that is a better way o. a person aiding them to take take action so now america pulled out of their stay do you thing of kill the trade i don't get to kill the truth you do know as the sort of the going on with for example

a country like china india and the europe they are going to hit but with their actions the main reason why they always wanted for example for china china believes that the solar power with the power is going to stimulate creating more jobs and the economy grows and even electric cars in the heart of the electric car and the word is in china show trying to believes that a renewable energy has a future so they are. seeking that investing in renewable energy and climate change action to stimulate the economy grocery so there's a different attitude about the same issue so you read we receive sooner or later the real reason to feel like america which will return to the paris trade it someday or do you think it's a done deal and then whoever it comes out to trump is not going to change that policy. i think. some people some of the prisoners who might come later

maybe if you find that climate action is creating more jobs and making more money i think they've changed their policy. so again i'm going to generalize and saying where on the ad shelf than here but meanwhile politicians day always argue about budgets and there is no progress can you really blame the poor countries poor countries who are countries for like not contributing to climate change there's barely no no. i don't agree that blaming the developing country is not the solution because the park to put the emission of c o two is much more. reach countries they are driving to. drive worse so they are spending a lot more energy and we should show you cannot blame the poor countries they are put there but there is a very low like an india is just one or two so that is how the rich countries can

change their lifestyle and how they can do a better job for their own. just as they were created in the history let's take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to the right one cello nobel peace prize winner and a member of and child al rantel panel on climate change talking about climate change stay with us. dollars. thirty seven billion of those are printed every day there's. there's no collateral there iou against the system

twenty twenty one twenty two trillion in debt. medicare medicaid social security that would give it a under under fifty trillion. they were back with brad marchand nobel peace prize when i had a member of the intercontinental panel on climate change ways of living. so i know that there's an upcoming climate change conference in poland and big

business leaders have been invited to feel like maybe politicians can make take real action and private business sector can and they can change things no but interestingly many major business businesses such as a petroleum v.p. and the shale those are leading oil companies are also joining forces in taking climate there because they believe the future of as energy company they believe has a future for them so they cannot hold for so if you'll give fifteen kobo spreading the risk that they're trying to invest in the green energy as well so many companies in the private sector is changing that to true. asking for clear clear policy guidelines to take action they are saying to the police we are not denying climate action we want to clear your schedule then we will meet the time there is the proper probably come pretty. but the political from this side they still afraid

of losing the bullets because they are bowed to the by the people and the people don't like to take any high price for their energy like electricity they don't like it so the politicos afraid of losing their boat that's why they cannot take action so we cannot blame the politicians because politicos it is somebody we both of them so i truly if we have to blame ourselves because we have to but with somebody who can take actions let's stop electrics to progress so this will actually allow. power to be transferred far with minimal loss as far as this place like when dolly with its lot space left for a way will be able to transfer energy to china could that be an answer to coal something that will really still have a laugh yes. that i think it is a very important technological breakthrough because as you know the renewable energy they soul and with this they have a sort of limitations because control of korea or japan we don't have enough and

then the space to install you know if full of panels so the linking those remote areas like m m would be a desert and also not only million but cuts down i'm not promoting the idea of the super committee that. is installing huge scale solar and wind farm in kazakhstan and linking all of those country along the secret and exporting and sharing the renewable energy i think that d.c. will be a game changer of a quantum jump of the generational bill will emerge because now we have incremental change of the new energy is growing but the speed is not enough and or the speed that we want has to be like a thirty forty percent every year but now he's only six percent seven percent every year that's not enough to meet the target so to make that one plant i'm jumping all over the scale of renewable energy we need this kind of technological breakthrough like soup. that there could be

a game changer in other ways to make this project like superglue it's is a private investing project right and i think you said that there's a japanese investor who wants to invest i just want to write a quarter of a trillion dollars in a project you know i mean a wonderful man but like to some he would say simply eccentric do you think if eccentric people like that will put that much money into projects they could become a trend and then others will follow suit i don't think he's doing this because he's crazy or he is a philanthropic no he calculated and he found out it makes sense in the comically he was has already calculate that he can make money that's why he's investing so he's not crazy so very important the reason i am promoting this personally i'm very supportive of this kind of support is because you can generate the money and create jobs. but in cutoffs the country like

a test run because you fuel your best you know large scale the cost of the letter city goes down and down and down and get even cheaper then coal fired electricity poor fire the electricity is like about five to six cents per kilowatt now from this the solar panel is now already wind down to four cents in dubai and i would be already be taxed on in the year you can go down to four cents show you so already even more to put them to pull this is why these tech community can be a game changer we all need does need that largest piece of land but it's not done because of stuff or there's not even in siberia what can't can't can't be implemented somewhere like for instance a heart where there's like a lot of sun you know it can of course of course there has been talking about it but it's so far on till now no bill we've been has been so much. taken. problems

that's why this project they didn't go very well but now two to three years ago they completed this is almost at the level of completion no technological breakthrough so now they say it isn't really in doubt which do you like this new ideas about power or help countries to produce solar and wind energy is because they i see resources are a blessing for some countries and then not for others for instance you look at africa and like one of the richest countries with diamonds and so many natural resources but then they're so poor you know so this is why that is why we need a super glue that we have to link these countries read the long line long distance transmission line actually does not go in the my idea but. you see here no he already proposed in twenty fifteen global energy interconnection all around the world or on whole work with the super deep so already people are talking about it i think that's why i think the usual later this will make

a big breakthrough. and the answer to the problem of dirty power is actually to produce cleaner power and are these ways to reduce consumption of power all together. yes no it's time for us to i was arguing to people in korea and all over the world that we have to differentiate. clean power and the dirty power because of to care about our future and also bible and so you can like energy sources like a gas i think the gas which is very abundant you know each and russia russia can contribute to by exporting a lot i would guess to the work gas can be a kind the bridge from very dirty to very clean but the gas is going to be in the middle and the for some time in the future gas can be filling the gap until we are able to treat childer transform turn just. torre's

a very clean energy sources so i think russia has a big role to play by exporting its use so then there is also the problem of balance because obviously a lot of countries are very keen on sustainable living but what good is it to for instance cut carbon emissions in germany or europe if china keeps colluding there rest of the world at least at the same time as other countries are cutting it where it is but but you have to you you don't have to forget about the fact that the pocket the emission of china has been very low recently the pocket the emission of c o two to germany and the china may be almost the same same level no but for a long time for twenty thirty years china is of course if the income is the mission has been very low so we cannot blame them but. i am a little myer the chinese action because china is taking a very decisive action as you might know china already if you place the all the boy

lives in beijing with the gas they already completely closed down the coal fired the boilers there sold china's to the a trying to is promoting electric cars so a day or so shutting down the dirty coal of fire the pulp plants they've been ordered to destroying what are hundreds of them so all of china is taking a very decisive action or in broader most till now i say there are terrible traffic congestion you the reason is because you cannot just blame people because they have to go somewhere then the answer is the how you can improve the public transportation system i think this is a role over the government so government has to play a leading role in making the transition tours and there's a fission to put this use them but urban design and those are texas system so you cannot be done by the market you there's the it is the job of the government were so poised to me to leave job the people said chang thank you very much for the center had a health care of patients will be implemented in the near future so it can all live in a safer greener they. thank you so much for the for truth you and your kids and here

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