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the headlines this hour. it will discuss reinstating the russian thing agencies and then it was noncompliance in twenty fifteen. russia's foreign minister reiterates moscow's willingness to cooperate with. poisoning case but not on the principle of a seems. to some trenchant criticism from u.k. politicians either you see that you see what's happening. with these two to. sit. by putin. really makes my. british m.p.'s and
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mainstream media explode into a frenzy off to the russians accused of carrying out some to. come forward. denying any involvement in the case. and concerns are raised over the potential presence of french troops in syria. by the us army. french military vehicle in the background. you can find out about all of those stories on our website school be back with your world news updates in about an hour's time right now it's cross talk. blowing welcome to all things. considered peter lavelle with the advent of the
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trump presidency much has been said about america's culture wars even the new civil war the country is clearly divided but trump didn't do this on his own there are two americas now and both co-exist. talking america divided i'm joined by my guest steve malzberg in new york he's a conservative political commentator in alexandria we have gregory copely he is author of sovereignty in the twenty first century and crisis for identity cultures nation states and civilizations and in williamsburg across two and two langer he is president of the institute of liberty as well as host of the andrew langer show on w b a l in baltimore right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated gregory let me go to you first in alexandria you're books at least the title sound very entice thing and it gives me
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the sense that you have kind of a broad view of history here is what we experience say now the cultural divisions and and wars in america is this something new is an extension of something something uniquely new and whatever your answer is why. it well it's not new this is a cyclical phenomenon throughout human history we have seen the movements of society. going on. but what we do see is where there's a massive shift in the global strategic architecture or a regional through to you got a picture people tend to panic they circle the wagons and they gather around their special interest groups and the special interest groups which we see generally emerging throughout civilised history. groups and rule groups and that's what's happening again now we saw with the end of the cold war. or and we started
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to see some changes in the global strategic architecture the question of urbanization globalization became critical with the wealth which we saw growing after world war two we shore massive freedom to move freedom to buy. no need to regard national interests sovereignty or the protection of trade routes the protection of one's own national into prices whether their industrial rhetoric cultural. as things start to get a little more tense and uncertain economically and politically people start to rally around the. globalist utopian if you like want to keep the old girl days going weeks or seventy years or so growth and that's now that's now over so we are inevitably going back to an age of nationalism where people circle we're going to say and look at their own people ok with steve but that's a very broad answer to
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a very broad phenomenon there but with the advent of donald trump there's been a rejection of much of what gregory just said and the current elites that control the media academia hollywood i go on and they are rejecting this pushback and i think that's where you get the sparks that you see with these cultural tensions in the united states unfortunately and that's why i asked gregory i mean is this something new well is this something new because i haven't in my lifetime at least seen this kind of tension before go ahead steve well i think what's new is that you now have one side not only committing the violence in these in this culture war if you will but also condoning the violence that's being committed you have the media giving the ok. you have elected officials almost
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calling for and condoning when it happens the violets we have people with trump hats and trump shirts and trump paraphernalia being attacked at a broadway play the other day someone held up a trump that are in the front row during the curtain call the actor reached down took it crumpled it up threw it away stealing the man's property he got applause for it he tweeted out afterward i'm not apologizing we have a congressional candidate in california the other day a republican who was almost stabbed by a guy ranting anti trump and so you know garbage and the media and that says nothing that democrats don't condemn it it's incumbent upon leadership of elected officials to say violence is unacceptable always but they don't so we have the left with and teeth and on college campuses where conservative speakers can talk violence is becoming accepted and with people like cuomo and don lemon on c.n.n.
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they rationalize the violence agenda as long as it's more all it's ok this is unprecedented dangerous stuff and you know how did we get to this place ok because you know i think that you know a lot of people want to point zero of the blame on trump well he certainly doesn't help the matter once in a while i would say but this is been building up this is been building up for quite a long time i would say you know we had the tea party movement and then we had the advent of trump i mean this is a phenomena that is gaining traction here and i would have to agree with steve is that the liberal media has been has abdicated any kind of moral responsibility because i see a train wreck right ahead of his go ahead and well there are two things that are going on and i want to jennifer the point that greg made which is about this sort of separation between world interests and urban interests and the founding fathers in the united states recognize this they recognize that the populous urban centers were going to. i have very different priorities in rural america and so in our
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constitutional republican structure that we have in this country we created this balancing of interests for instance why we have an electoral college where no matter how small the state is they're guaranteed a certain number of votes and it's very interesting if you then push that into the modern parlance we've seen over the last seventy years or so and a rosen a real a lack of interest in understanding why we have the separation of powers why we have this balancing of interest in some of the files up of this is going to some very obscure but in the things like the folks who are pushing to get rid of the electoral college and so you've got that going on it was well as the great migration sort of shifting things as well as institutions within government trying really to change this thing and dictate policy and policies to people who live in these rural states at the same time we had a good seventy years were journalism was truly objective journalism you know you
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reach back into history and you know that the printed press was largely partisan was largely one sided it was used for political propagandizing purposes and really in the early part of the twentieth century this changed and for a good fifty sixty seventy years you had journalists who were trying to be objective they would tell you the facts they would call balls and strikes in terms of who was doing what in terms of the the powerful part of the world but now we really have seen the media throwing itself in with one side over another exactly when i was just talking about this you know a gag gregory because i watching m s n b c and c n n i've never over the last two years particularly i haven't seen any calls of calling balls and strikes at all ok because there are no facts here but gregory would do what is different here and i think it's very dangerous and i appreciate what andrew had to say about using referencing the constitution it sounds made me sound but now to some people but that's a starting point for. it's all but we're at a point now where if you have
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a different point of view it's an illegitimate point of view and it is a it is not a moral position to take and that and that is really really dangerous that means you can't disagree shut up not that's a dangerous place to be go ahead gregory well absolutely and look if you look at the the first un general assembly speech by president trump he mentioned the word sovereignty nineteen times yet exactly a year before president obama has devoted his entire speech in contradistinction to absolutely campaigning against sovereignty now nothing could have showed the difference between these two eras more dramatically than that and yet this was not this discrepancy with this difference was not noted by the u.s. media or the global media at all but what we were seeing was the world moving to the new era and the new era is nationalism that's not to say that google is and
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will not return again but what we're seeing globally look at the brics the issue with the hungary issue we are going to move in these days this is all about people returning to identity and identity around things which they know they value there in the united states they think the constitution the flag is a symbol the bill of rights and so on because it appears these are all critical elements to modern u.s. identity which overlay the smaller if you like of countries of origin interests in the country but we see that in australia canada throughout europe we're seeing it now in the horn of africa and this really this rush back to nationalism and in ninety nine ninety ninety one when the cold war collapsed i said that the countries which go back to their national core first will be the ones which move fine.
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just towards strategic dominance and the russians did that when they finally were able to overthrow the soviet union and the chinese themselves reinvented themselves they're going to national so we're looking at this incredible movement and this is the pace of this movement scares people it scares the people in cities particularly in another state it's certainly scares the elites ok i steve you know are you in a number of these races to hear that all the time in liberal media but. you know he's a dog whistle but it seems to me that you know liberal media is a dog whistle the everything is raises rates of traits and phrases i mean i am dumbfounded by that is that because they have nothing else to say go ahead steve. racists not see thora tarion you name it that's what donald trump is and i do want to go back to condoning and you brought up more reality you know and i
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hate to harp on this but chris cuomo in primetime on c.n.n. said that it's not violence is viewed the same under the in the eyes of the law of violence if you attack someone it's bad in the eyes of the law but if you have the moral high ground if you're attacking nazis if you're attacking the bad guy it's view differently it's not so bad now i would like to ask chris cuomo this he's a stout. staunch liberal i'd like to say hey what if the pro-life movement were to view abortion doctors and women have a clinician as baby killers and they attack them what would you say you'd say ok well that's up ok let me run but that's your opinion and let me when you start to see you've got to go to a break i got to jump in here we're going to go to a break and after the break we'll continue our discussion on america's divided state with.
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welcome back across like we're all things considered i'm peter welch reminder we're discussing america divided. ok let me go back to andrew in the wonderful city of el williamsburg. one of my favorite in america. and you will who's pushing this here ok because you know one can make the million they claim it would be true if you read donald trump tweets you know when he's on the stump and he's full of himself and he can deliver some real barnburner i mean he's amazingly talented person in that regard. and then we have these and t. for people we have the liberal media i think steve is absolutely right that they there's an omission of morality when they discuss about these things here who is driving this most and what can be done is that an antidote to start slowing the
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stone because i'm worried just like steve said that maniac in california he didn't know how to run or use his own switchblade we could have had a dead candidate very easily go ahead and do well i mean that and this gets into this this issue of if if if the shooting at the congressional softball practice didn't give the democrats pause and should have had them step back from the abyss i'm not sure what the next step is i think you know we have we have another couple of elections i think some of it depends on whether or not donald trump runs again not that he is the reason for this you know but but the but the idea is he certainly becomes a to use a phrase in recent memory a loadstone and all of this sort of an environment i want to go back to something that both greg and steve touched on which is this issue though of course. knowing your opponents immoral if you don't believe what you believe this is probably the greatest problem that's here and i think it will take some figure of national
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stature i don't know who it's going to be someone who's going to be respected by a variety of people who's going to come out there and is going to have to make this case very very impassioned plea of saying listen your enemies let me be your enemies your enemies are not your enemies your opponents are not your enemies and they are not immoral it's going to take somebody doing that i don't know where that figure is you know because i don't know if we have another martin luther king in our mix we must have some on faith in that there's no it's going to take somebody you know one big idea well one thing is for sure in terms of journalism there isn't even edward r. morrow out there not on the left that are damn sure ok i know the great very gradually had to address that issue because i think this is what bothers me the most is the demonization of the other side you know that that's the problem is that if you demonize the other side and i'm looking at the left and the right but i'm i'm convinced the left is more guilty of this because they have so much more of the media space but if you do step back and you'd have
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a conciliatory gesture then that's seen as weakness and seen this compromise appeasement and that this is where the moment we're at right now is that anybody that reaches across the aisle is considered a traitor of a coward and to be dismissed ok gregory how do we deal with this well you're absolutely right we have to bear in mind that we are not going to stop this with one or two decent leaders coming forward and saying enough of this let's be friends with all the reality is that is a mass movement which has been building up on this for decades we have moved through the last so many years beyond the age of reason beyond the age of science and we're back to an age. beliefs and you getting a good current journalism to see that it's all about opinions and you're going to make the argument it was entirely to an opinion and i believe but don't confuse
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that with facts nobody is prepared to go back to a fact based. argument i am i am i am i'm that i am not i do that all the time here steve let me go he let me go to you and we had. judge brett kavanaugh over the last news cycle he was accused of his characterization of these abortion drugs and all of that and it was patently obvious that the left was lying and he was proven very quickly or you know senator booker you know his spartacus moment what the hell is this all about out ok i mean i mean to rational people i look at a guy shouldn't use rational because everyone is so emotional these days but i mean you could pick these things apart so easily but there's hardly ever occur rection or it doesn't matter that's what it gets down or it doesn't matter because he trump is an evil judge is evil ok because they're evil there and that's a that is
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a having a lend political language that is so impoverished go ahead steve well let me point out i think america was greatly divided during the eight years of barack obama and i don't think there was ever a more diverse a president in my lifetime than barack obama who divided on every every avenue that he could get down but we didn't have the violence and the right didn't resort to violence and i'm going to keep harping on this because you know when you bring up a cavanaugh susan collins who is a key vote on the republican side for kavanaugh her office was receiving after the hearings was receiving threats staffers got threats that they would be strangled that they would be raped she received death threats that if she voted for kavanaugh she'd be killed i mean this is not typical but it's not the. announced by the leftists by the by their fellow senators by the democrat leadership and when you don't announce it you condone it wear head let me tell you something god forbid
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something happens to donald trump or a senior administration official but if it does you know that media is going to blame yet let's get a blame donald trump. you know scary style and i'd been saying it you know the liberals better be careful what they wish for because as i tell my friends here americans are really well armed ok andrew let me go to you you know the deplorable i think that was the most that key moment in the two thousand and sixteen election not meddling not the dot ca not any of it that one word deplorable and those deplorable for everyone that calls a trump supporter a racist those deplorable help make sure that barack obama was elected twice to the u.s. presidency without those deplorable he never would have been president but the left can't get their head around that logic because it's a fact go ahead andrew well it's interesting because i come back to this one of the great tests will be let's assume for a moment that ruth bader ginsburg sometime in the next supreme court term decides
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to retire let's also assume actually coming upon that is this idea that let's assume for a second that the senate is going to change hands going to shift from republican to democrat ruth bader ginsburg retires you a democrat majority in the senate and donald trump turns around and nominates merrick garland to the high court now is there any want to mung us who believes that they want that nomination would not be immediately met with derision and ridicule and would be obstructed by the current by the by the democratic majority i mean that is where we've come to because it gets back to what you were talking about peter and what gregory steamboat talked about there is no sort of not just more i'm not going to call more but there is no reasonable compass inside them there's no keel that is keeping their ship righted so they can. sort of be fluid and change depending on what is happening in front of them and we all deal with irrationality we all deal with the reality in front of us and that is one of the great divides between left and right is that they just don't deal with reality you
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know gregory the thing that you know when i look at you know with these revelations about peter struck in lisa page and the d.o.j. and. komi clapper brennan you know it's not that you can like or dislike these people that's fine if you do but i've been looking at what they've been doing and they're destroying institutions and they're destroying trust in the system that the founders and i think you know go look at the federalist papers it should be required reading it's an amazing book it's amazing what they thought of and i see these people they're trashing it they're shredding it because of hatred and petty politics go ahead greg it's more than hatred politics it's about protecting rights poles people in areas where they're in government are not tend to want to keep the state of the current status quo which is about their jobs and what they what it
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takes to keep their job they don't care about ideology we have moved because of our wealth into an entirely materialistic society and what you see in the rules of society is actually less materialistic less concerned with the latest i pad and i phone and more about the way of life and we saw this in eight hundred sixty as well in the united states but we're seeing it also around the world but we have to keep remembering is the global context we're seeing the world going through this in this global civil war if you like yeah so it's phenomenon which peter is not going to be answered by a rational moderate approach and it may in fact become extremely violent in a number of countries who believe me i think i need to put it. a little bit here andrew here i think you are probably on the same wavelength here i do think identity politics is an ideology i think you can make that argument and i push against that all the time andrew in williamsburg what i was just going to say
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though is it's very interesting to me because the same for instance right in america we're told that if we don't go along with this relaxed immigration policy if we want to take some semblence to protect our national sovereignty that means that we're racist and the media blithely ignore is that all throughout the world countries are struggling and gregory calls it you know nationalism national identity or sovereignty countries all over europe are struggling with the same issues in terms of end and the great political change again breck's it what's happening in sweden with their elections and all of these are because you have a small group of people who want to foist an unrealistic world view and everybody else has to pick up the pieces and a lot of them are not even elected ok the permanent iraq we see it steve go ahead state. one other thing that's driving the left in this country is fear they saw donald trump get a higher percentage of the hispanic vote then did mccain or romney they see that black unemployment is at an all time low they see the economics in this country now
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booming and zooming for all across all economic. and demographic so they are acting out of fear that everything is slipping away from them they're becoming more and more and more radical left and again j.f.k. couldn't run as a democrat and i maintain bill clinton could really run as a democrat any grade he had to apologize for all of his a big achievements during his wife's campaign so the whole party is unrecognizable ok. steve going to say with few more seconds here is this going to end badly or do we get to get some cooler heads go ahead i don't see color heads i see people saying get in their faces if they trumpet ministration officials if you see him in a restaurant you see him in a shopping mall get a group together harass them stay outside their houses this is a recipe for disaster and it's going to end with somebody getting hurt i mean not you know i say here that's just a good match and what the liberal levy would say if conservatives were saying
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