the most successful civilization ever in human history accumulating so much power or wealth and also ideas that have transformed the world is now sadly on the way of losing his place and that's a result of many strategic mistakes the west made especially the end of the cold war when after they defeated the soviet union without firing a shot is it with the end of history we have arrived we don't have to change we don't have to adapt and the mistake they made was that the west went to sleep at precisely the moment when china and india were waking up and the reason why significant that china and india are waking up is because from the year one through the year it into n.t. for eighteen hundred of the last two thousand years the two largest economies of

the world always those of china and india but you have said that the western powers don't quite understand that china and india are taking over economically but this has been a common knowledge for quite some time now and i am sure that the western leaders do realize that i mean by some measures china has already overtaken the us it's happening right now here so it's not like they can't acknowledge the process i'm sure they see it and understand it or i think they can pay lip service but there are understand it deep in their guts that the world has changed again there is an i.o.i. barons and given a simple example i mean the two most important global economic organizations are the international monetary fund and the world bank i.m.f. and world bank. till to day you have a room this is to become the head of the i.m.f. you must be a european to become the head of the world back he must be an american and asians

which make up the vast majority of the world's population and we have the most dynamic economies in the world today don't qualify to run the i.m.f. and the world bank that's a sign of resistance to the idea that they now have to share power existing numbers on supremacy well i think it's a combination. of the western mind is a very troubled mind and that's why they voted for populist speeders like donald from paul wharton for extreme right parties in europe because they in their minds are very troubled they know. that year of domination is coming to an end by they cannot accept it psychologically they cannot accept it emotionally and therefore they're resisting it and that's why they're confused so my book is an effort to help them understand how they can adjust and adapt to

a new world and actually create a better world in the process and just in terms of keeping the leaders are i just in terms of accepting the world as it is and multipolar well i actually in my book has the west last to conclude the book by giving the west what i call my three m. advice and three m. three m. words the first is minimalist now the west continues to intervene in the affairs of so many countries around the world i'm saying stop it and even a relatively peaceful president like barack obama in the last year of his a ministration the united states dropped twenty six thousand bob's on seven countries why why are you bombing at the country's stop. and

then the second hand word is marty lateral and here frankly all these multilateral institutions the un the i.m.f. the world bank the world trade organization are western gifts to the world so the west should be strengthening for example w.t. you know the united states is undermining the w.t. you very unwisely by the third m word of course is one that surprises the west's i advised the west to be machiavellian. to come clean it's order interests so for example europe europe's problem is that africa's population which used to be half that of europe is now double that of europe by twenty one hundred would be ten times the size of europe so europe should focus on africa. and who can help europe never china so europe is going to work with china instead of opposing china because america is china if you don't mind we're going to go

through all three of those adams step by step that will start with trump. you mentioned w t o he wants to pull america out of the w here he was skeptical of their concessions from the very beginning when he became president if that actually happens if america is out of there are going to zation what would that mean for w t o and for the global economy here actually i have some good news for you. the good news is the rest of the world won't carry on with w t o with or without the united states and just a few days ago i had a conversation with mr pascal lamy the former head of the word biggio for many years and he said kishore the wu can carry on without the united states and the unitas is surprisingly will pay a price if it leaves the deputy oh so this is where i think the united states

should think very carefully because at the end of the day if you want to curb some of the unfair trade and economic practices of china and some of them are unfair clearly then he used to you to change china's behavior. you mention that your book will help the west in america as well to somehow adjust to the changing world here but right now the current merican political climate everything is based on patch or it isn't and the america comes first and that's causing so much traction what would it take for america to realize that they're not number one anymore well i mean sadly i i i speak i'm not anti american i actually speak as a friend of america and i want to help america adjust to this new world and frankly it's a world that america can live comfortably in because americans will continue to do

well in this large globalizing economy with rising asian economies but it just got to give up is desired to domini the world and dominate the planet and i think most americans if you give them much sensible choice you know do you want to really continue domination and pay a heavy price or do you want to have a good life we're citizen because in my book i give you a very shocking statistic which is that two thirds of american households do not have five hundred dollars in emergency cash. that's crazy you know why your population doesn't have money and you burning money maintaining thirteen aircraft carriers around the womb why why do you change your policies and do something that is good for the american people and good for america in the long room if you take the last two presidents for instance barack obama which you

mention and it was a very peaceful president and he came with a message of peace but that he was obliged to do so many interventions this record is that president doesn't always decide it's to establish this right if you look at trump yeah he clearly came became president on this new wave of players wanting to live better within america and not really care that much about the rest of the world because that's overseas for them and doesn't take care of their problem of having less than five hundred dollars and security caption but that interim came when he can do the things that he wants to do he has a list abolitionism when you say americans should realize what who who are the americans because the people clearly want what you're saying the last two presidents wanted a change but it is not like they were able to do much well i mean you're absolutely right i mean the thing that i find very tragic about the united states of america is that it has the world's best universities there was a strategic think things there was strategic thinkers in terms of being well known

. as the worst strategic thinking it's a great paradox. i think the americans haven't understood the american establishment especially because the american establishment has been going on autopilot for example recommending intervention countries like syria when it serve new vital national interests of america to be involved in syria why. so clearly there needs to be a revolution in the thinking of the american establishments because one of the things that my book. is that there's a disconnect between what the american establishment is trying to do and what the american people want and because the american people the north by the establishment

they voted for trump as a protest for against the establishment and the establishment has and notice that we're going to take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to kids sure mahbubani former president of the u.n. security council talking about the new world order stay with us. he.

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thank. you. then we're back with fischer my bonnie former president of the u.n. security council professor author of visionary mr lobel barney so let's talk about trial but you know what he wants to do and i mean the big topic carries obviously china. one of trump's election promises was if there were trade for the united

states so right now he wants to impose another sent set of import tariffs of two hundred billion dollars of chinese goods this would actually be very harmful for americans why do you think he's doing that. well i mean sadly i spoke to one of the leading trade economists in the world when i was in harvard university. in february this year he said to me kishore donald trump doesn't understand the basics of trade economics he thinks like a business man a deficit is a loss a surplus is a profit that's rubbish right all countries in the by the theory of international trade even if you have a deficit you're actually benefiting because you're buying a product at lower cost from somebody who can make it cheaper and better and then

you can pay to do an objectively or did you put all the factors in america is actually there were the biggest beneficiaries of the current trading order it has a surplus in services right it doesn't measure that more importantly more importantly the u.s. dollar is that global reserve currency so this means the chinese workers have to trade the four hours a day very odd to many factor things to sell to america. how does america people if it prints dollars come on you getting a very good trued you print dollars you're getting hard workers for ducks but really goes benefiting so what is most sophisticated americans know that america is benefiting enormously from the current system and

therefore the one dangerous thing that donald trump is doing is that he's giving the rest of the world an incentive to move away from the u.s. dollar and if the rest of the world moves away from the u.s. dollar the impact on america be disastrous because you can no longer print dollars to buy products i don't think you quite things in that light i think for him like the primary goal is to undermine china he made no secret of that from day one when he came so i was actually reading this analysis from from berkeley an analyst and they're saying that this war on terror is actually would be more detrimental for china than for america china's economy in much more dependent on exports than it is then the american economy so maybe this strange tactic that a lot of people dahlan tactic that a lot of people don't understand we have a troll is actually justified in the long term if he wants to undermine china well

i mean you're right maybe maybe you might succeed but believe me. it is a fact that there are the pain for america will be pain for china let me ask you a simple question is it easy for democracy. to accept pay or is it easier for an authoritarian government like china to accept pay and the chinese population as far as i know i spent two months there in shanghai recently he strongly supportive of the chinese government saying if america is trying to bully us we will pay the price we will carry on so i think it's a big mistake to underestimate chinese resolve in these areas of course china is going to pay a price by in the long run china cannot afford to be seen to be weak in the

face of such precious trying know who stand by contrasts as you know the new trump is going to face a very difficult lections in november and then if he doesn't badly in november he'll be so distracted by the domestic issues the trade war in which i now be put aside but do you deal understand where he's coming from when he wants to undermine china economically and militarily because he feels threatened by china and g.n.r. stan what he's doing that is a we're just tired anyway i think i always see in that sense. if you want to understand his thinking you got to read the writings of steve bannon . and steve benen actually believes that america should be number one forever and of china's about to overtake we must undermine china and there is actually a strong school of thought in washington d.c.

who believe that america should try to undermine and prevent china from overtaking it but it cannot be done it's a mission impossible china just by the sheer laws of mathematics with a population that is four times the size of united states of america if you think the average chinese even is even half as smart as the average american china will have an economy which will be twice the size of america. and as you know the chinese haris mart has and what he hopes and the mistake that these american thinkers are making is thinking that this last century's right of western domination is normal actually as i said it was an aberration because from the year one to the year it hundred twenty that the largest economies were

always those of china and india so this aberration has to come to an end and you cannot fight for what i think is it because presidents come and go and then with every new president there's a new course of action here this approach towards china detail actually perish with trump or is it a long term strategy for america now well i am actually writing a book on that subject this year on u.s. china relations because history teaches us that whenever there was number one emerging power which is china is about to overtake there was number one power in economic size and scope to happen in the next ten years then there will be a maximum amount of tension and friction between us and china that's coming the question is how you manage it and i'm hoping with my book to give both america and

china advice on how to manage this transition well because we now live in this is a very important point we now live in a small interdependent planet he would have planned to be to go to rio only a plan that he and with climate change becoming a serious problem we all have to work together to save band earth so i'm going to point to the common interests that china and america and russia and india and everybody else have in. making sure that we can continue to grow economies we can continue to improve the lives of our people without having to go to war with each other or without having to fight each other those nineteenth century games need no longer be played in the twenty first century so talking precisely about that and another from the three m's you written that western elites do not understand that they need to be more prudent and non interventionist me has ever into mention of

their professions. and you could understand from the intervention of two thousand and three that the consequences were disastrous now you just shouldn't do it anymore over and over again but the truth is that strategy that course of action of western interfering into other people's affairs is still on the table and going pretty strong and i do not believe that is because western leaders are stupid or people who don't have a sense of understanding or reason so i just don't understand why because i understand as are smart people understand that this doesn't work and it's been proven that it doesn't work but it is still happening and it is an official line of action why it's very hard to give up habits of two hundred year old navigate i heart all have is die hard exactly and for example the british french

intervention in libya was a disaster. the result of the british french intervention in libya was a flood of migrants into europe and then it led to the rise of far right parties in europe it shows you the dangers of intervention drew just why it is actually very puzzling and i completely appreciate your question that these societies that have produced the best thinkers for pseudo have completely lost the art of two digit thinking and i can tell you. one point in my make in my book that every time the united states intervenes an invasion of her country for example it's intervention in iraq was a geopolitical gift to china to give china ten three years to keep growing while america was busy fighting a war and in that decade or something remarkable happened in the year two thousand . unitas is g.n.p.

normally the market terms was eight times the size of china by tween last year it was only one point six three so what america was busy fighting was china was busy growing its economy and that shows the strategic stupidity of the united states in the neighborly as i knew school in the middle of the former ukrainian president recalls the events of twenty fourteen. those who took part in this today over five billion dollars to assist ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. politicians to use something to. put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president or injury. or somehow want to be preached. to the right to be prosperous like the flag three in the morning can't be

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