we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bathroom and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now we're watching closely watching the hawks. the russian defense ministry tracks the serial number of the missing link by the official investigation for the downing of the mh seventeen these top secret documents unclassified of course for the sequel to prove. to ukraine's forces. you know the headlines on the international process in the libyan capital tripoli over the state of living conditions amidst seven years of war following the foreign intervention in the north african country. also this hour as the battle for. we

speak to a syria of base journalists about life just put on what is away from. the village has been pummeled by. terrorists on the outskirts of the hard way just a few kilometers away and it's been on a daily basis over the past many years and a top university professor university in the u.s. walks outraged job creating a safe space for white students to discuss race issues we hear both sides of the debate. the last from moscow just three pm here in the russian capital a little kids. russia's ministry of defense claims it's identified the missile which brought down malaysia airlines flight m h seventy four years ago it says comparisons of registration numbers coupled with all due intercepts point to ukraine's direct

involvement. looks at the findings. so what the russian defense ministry has done is they took the serial number of the missing child published earlier by the official investigation and the joint investigative team say that they took that serial number from a piece of the debris from the actual crash site so they blamed that very message directly for the downing of the mh seventeen passenger jet so the russian defense ministry they took that serial number and matched them try to find mentions of it in its own archive documents and what they found was actually the passport of that very midst of that which tracks the whole life cycle of that missile back from the moment when it was produced manufactured in u.s.s.r. to the point also showing which exact army unit was armed with that missile and here's what the russian defense ministry found out that that's what you don't get those words considering the momentum the manufacture date of the missile is the

twenty fourth of december one thousand nine hundred sixty he was transported by train to the military base two zero one five two today this base which still uses missiles of this type is in the ukrainian district evolve and since then after the dissolution of the soviet union the missile never returned to the territory of russia. now that passport and some other relevant documents they used to be top secret and now they have been unclassified for the sake of the investigation in fact they were displayed in the room where the briefing was held so all journalists well mean colluded had a chance to have a look at them with their own eyes the second part of the briefing the russian defense ministry showed some video some amateur footage that was previously analyzed by the official investigation and the russian defense ministry showed how they believe that footage was tampered with and the third part to we were given a listen to an audio recording which was said to be a conversation between

a ukrainian colonel and some other ukrainian officer and well a lot of bomb. left in there on purpose by the russian defense ministry to show that they did not alter or edit that well that recording in any way and here is the key bits from it was me authority to make me rich. but for me what you really would it what. we should do more if you were if you so would you. want that already but the woman your mother already. now official ukraine has already branded this new information that the russian defense ministry has brought to light as fake but rushing it stern is saying that they are open to scrutiny that they are ready indeed to pass on these new documents to the joint investigative team to the official investigation and they can very fine the authenticity of those documents by themselves so definitely a new twist in the investigation over the downing of m h seventeen. more on this

now let's bring in julian bray an expert in aviation security and operations unit thanks for joining us good to have you on the program today presented what it claims are hard facts evidence in the form of the serial number or the recordings what do you make of all that evidence presented in the in the briefing. it's very interesting i was able to watch the briefing and the reactions of the various people involved and the russian ministry of defense of actually produce some evidence the problem is we have a question mark over the chain of custody which is a legal requirement showing that where the evidence came from now the evidence produced is a susan serial numbers which purport to show that the missile i was manufactured in one thousand nine hundred six which of course is well after the actual incident or the downing of the aircraft and quite a few serial numbers were shown but even so we've got to marry out all the serial numbers that are being used so far. as definitive proof on the second strand

there's a lot of times you voted to the video evidence now i have a slight problem with this because the n. ot the russian imagery you have actually said before that they were going to rely on the video evidence and one can only assume now i'm sitting on the fence they are not going one way or the other they probably thought they didn't have enough so they wanted to put the video in as well but at the end of the day what will happen is this is important evidence should go to the joint investigation tribunals and of course russia was not a part of that tribunals but ukraine was so you'll actually get some friction there but the point being that this does confirm that a missile down this particular aircraft and many people lost their lives indeed of course the defense ministry has said it's going to submit the evidence to the j i t v how do you think they'll respond to that i mean is it likely they'll be any

changes to the conclusions of the original investigation. well it's not quite like that because i heard the the colonel involved and he said if the j.i.t. like to apply for the evidence sales of blood so it does mean a positive action from the tribunals against it i prefer that the russians say look we're going to bring all these evidence to holland to for you to have a look at and we demand that this is put into the overall investigation they lie on an invitation from the other side need to be a bit more proactive i think by their own to something what about the intercepted order recording the russian side says features ukrainian colonel talking to fellow servicemen saying quoting here we could bring down another boeing i remember in the days and weeks after the incident of course the ukrainian side released its own order recordings allegedly of separatists radio intercepts in the areas of both

sides are produced these recordings. doesn't really prove anything though and i guess people are going to ask was it taken four years for this to emerge well we all know working in this business that you can very easily manufacture order order recording you can also them you can take out pauses you can take out single words so it helps the overall story but it doesn't prove definitively that something happened this is a kernel call rosalyn green shack who's with the ukrainian army and he was in charge of all the monitoring at the time and it was one of his conversations one of his batteries now if they got along just with this recording that would be really good nightlights know the origin of it and so if again it's a chain of command if we can actually trace it right back to the origin the very helpful with all this is positive information that needs to go through tribunals to be properly considered just in terms of the di the book there was even a u.n.

security council resolution on the situation to cover them if you ignore all the commentators warning the resolution did not green flag the mass bombing of libya norway's report also reveals there was practically no one else this before it jumped it. there are no written sources indicating that before deciding to send warplanes to libya the government assist the type of conflict norway was taking part in now that failure could hardly have had more serious consequences the country now lies in ruins seven years on libya is still being ripped apart by rival governments well wishers armed to the teeth and islamist militants just last week i supply in response ability for a shooting that killed two and wounded ten more at the headquarters of the state oil company at the top of the border there were invited to come over for oil from the government by the way the world.

perhaps unsurprisingly some politicians in norway are now distancing themselves from the decision given what we know today this was a war for a regime change norway should not have participated in the libyan war when you look at what happened next with libya becoming a terrorism hotspot this is not a decision to be proud of of course they're not the first to come to that sorry conclusion the u.k. parliament got there two years ago this report determines the u.k. policy in libya before and since the intervention of march two thousand and eleven was founded on a road use assumptions and an incomplete understanding of the country and the situation and barack obama infamously admitted the aftermath was the biggest mistake of his presidency but that's likely to bring little comfort to the civilian still reeling in a shattered nation we spoke to a senior research or you know always in foreign policy institute who believes

politicians didn't understand the full consequences of the intervention. mark this is for lisa and the coalition government that i am they but them that this is what has happened that all of these parties pain and death but they are expressing some he gets it so i am also there saying that they didn't understand but. which i did with. what may have the he. or they were mainly doing this but he really did in these statistics and the polls for the leader of the standing that. they had as the now if you look at any of the incoming may not be in full force argued by almost all the key. players in this. obviously there are some of them saw the are the humanitarian reasoning it was basically interested in. change getting rid of gaddafi i don't

think that's that said you know all of these people dismiss the. ok talks between the russian and presidents on province coming up with more news on that just after the short break. and. i've been saying the numbers mean something they matter the u.s. is over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten white collar crimes happy each day. eighty five percent of global wealth you longs to the ultra rich eight point six percent market saw a thirty percent rise last year some with four hundred to five hundred trade per

second per second and bitcoin rose to twenty thousand dollars. china is building a two point one billion dollar a i industrial park but don't let the numbers overwhelm. the only numbers you need to remember is one one does not show you can afford to miss the one and only. comeback swat teams national the presidents of russia and turkey all right now meeting in the russian result of tsotsi to discuss the battle the serious last major terrorist province but more details my do you know caution about. is there a second meeting in the last ten days last time at

a summit in tehran the leaders couldn't agree on the future cause of action so to date is very important the fate of the last a major terrorist stronghold and we're talking about the province of idlib is going to be discussed at this meeting we also believe that the two parties will discuss the syrian peace settlement as the turkish president has been calling quite unsuccessfully for a cease fire declaration in the province of lip so where do russia and turkey stand well turkey fears that out large scale a fountain of against it will cause a new influx of refugees into its territory already is hosting over three and a half a million syrians so turkish officials are saying that they are ready to cooperate with anyone in fighting terrorism to war with russia over. the war with united states and. all our partners. in syria

so the positions of all players are so very different and that is what makes the situation so complicated the u.s. say that they're not going anywhere until there is peace in the region they're also not at all happy about iran's participation and now a western politicians and mainstream media called the possible offensive a disaster and a big humanitarian tragedy without offering any solution on how to fight terrorism apart from just simply bombing the army so while turkey has been massing troops in the province of idlib russia has been carrying out its own military exercises so this meeting is and other at tam for all parties to work out a joint position on the future cause of action and head of the meeting with putin president want to stress the importance of taking steps against terror groups among rebel factions and also talks about. the need to find alternatives to bombarding

the area under what he defines as a pretext to fight terrorism and the united nations estimates ten thousand al qaida and almost for terrorists remain in a live province what poses a large threat not only to people living in the region but also to those bordering it last week we reported on the man who lost his entire family in a terrorist chalet after their village was targeted for being christian we're continuing to follow his story. out of this and several days ago a rocket landed in front of my house of. wife and three children died over there i remember how i called home and no one picked up my friends came to me and said run home your family is injured you can on and i came here and saw my mom's terribly wounded and that's what i saw my children i took them to hospital straight away but

it was too late so you can all have died. was that you know when they were martyred it was after they took this one belongs to susi the youngest. this was freddy's and this was marie is. this is his bag. he's back. this is stephanie's but. this is maria's bank. this is maria's back. earlier we spoke to journalist eva bartlett who visited the village of mad about the situation in syria it limp and what western t.v. screens failed to show him into the upcoming battle. there i talked to the civil that started the national defense forces and they spoke

at length about how the village has been pummeled by missiles from terrorists and it's been on a daily basis over the past many years and they said you know they've been suffering nobody is talking about it and they're looking forward to the liberation of it because it will ease their suffering it will it will mean the sation of these terrorists. so these are the kind of things that the media which is busy talking about corporate media which is busy talking about it live are completely negating happening on a daily basis in modern day. and what syrians i've spoken with around the country on previous visits and currently say they want a restoration of all of syria to peace and they want an end to the terrorism that's been plaguing them whether it lives or as we saw formerly in eastern hour before that in aleppo and it's their right to live in peace and it's also their right and the syrian government of syria's right to fight such terrorism because we're not

talking about the mythical moderate rebels we're talking about al-qaeda we're talking about our nation of islam and these are terrorists that have been torturing civilians and executing civilian to wherever they happen to occupy. all the syrian and russian governments have been using tools of diplomacy if you'll recall they've opened humanitarian corridors they've offered amnesty and reconciliation to terrorist who laid down their weapons but on the contrary it's these factions within the lives that are saying we will kill any terrorist will militants rebels that think what whatever they want to call them we will kill them if they participate in amnesty and reconciliation so clearly yes there is a desire for a peaceful so a resolution to this and the syrian russian government has been offering tools for such a peaceful resolution. of the american university of maryland leaflets involving students only to join a group called whites awake to discuss issues. do you want to improve your ability

to relate to and connect with people different from yourself do you sometimes feel uncomfortable and confused before during more of the interactions with racial and ethnic minorities. do you want to become a bit siren automatically get offended without taken the time to really understand what's going on that's why he changed his name because i didn't want anybody to just think automatically oh we're some kind of racist hateful group they're really on a side of the lift i think this right here eggs an example of the left eating their own say from the semen on a cell full of us our join us again that four pm time for the latest news headlines .

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