greetings and salutation. watchers today i am sad to say. i have to take back the good news i shared with you a few weeks ago and replace it with bad news yes jane is decided to go through with their sale of four hundred laser guided bombs the saudi arabia despite halting the deal back in early september to the cheers of anti-war and human rights activists around the world spain's foreign minister announced the continuation of the deal on several radio declaring the decision is that these bombs will be delivered to honor a contract that comes from two thousand and fifteen and was made by the previous government we found no reason not to carry it out. yeah well no reason no reason no reason i mean. yes i mean no reason except for maybe oh gee i don't know ten thousand yemeni citizens killed in the conflict or the eight

point four million that are on the brink of famine but you know no reason that all of this is give saudi arabia some more guns but don't worry folks because when asked whether spain and received any guarantees from saudi arabia the bombs would not be used on yemeni civilians but the prime minister said the laser guided bombs hit their targets with extraordinary precision of within one metre. which i guess means they will only blow up the kids on the school bus and no other cars on the road that day. and speaking of yemen the military industrial complex are holed friends that raytheon have been making a killing during the yemen war between the saudi led coalition and the rebels journalist marcello writes on antiwar dot com that after crunching the numbers in the three years the war has been active rate the stocks rose by ninety four per cent from one hundred eight point forty four hundred eighty dollars and forty four

cents per share in twenty fifteen to two hundred ten dollars and seventy cents and twenty eight. wow lot of money and more so with the military industrial cash registers going. it's time to start watching the hawks. that i got. with. well for the what's in the works i am i robot to. have a wallace and yet for weapons menu no. i can't use

that neighborhoods are going to be excited about weapons more bombs and you know well we're going to stop this we don't want to do that we don't trust saudi arabia for blowing up you know school buses and kids and everyone knows but. i guess we can say the young got tired of hearing it from any we here at the united states well we spent the money but it isn't our fault it was the other administration and we had to keep doing it we couldn't think of any reasons why we couldn't. literally the government you govern that's the point one of the things i. reported back in april just to show you how this how this all connects and why it's in a why it's about money more than it's about you know somehow rebels and whatever so he reported that back in april the saudis ad fired missile at a wedding right so this was in northern yemen killed twenty three people including women and children the missiles used in the strike were made by raytheon at an

arizona southern arizona factory now four days after that airstrike that literally murdered people at a wedding raytheon stock their quarterly earnings rose from six hundred thirty three million six hundred thirty three million to two dollars and up two dollars and twenty cents a share so yeah and twenty seventeen obviously elections she wants to get secret money out of politics so her solution was to partner with billionaire george soros is color of change and others to create on word together a political action organization that gives financial support to democratic party candidates that clinton feels deserve a boost all while circumventing those pesky campaign finance laws allowed by the infamous citizens united. she claims to hate so much so is hillary suddenly seeing the error of her dark money wages or is this just another money making power grabbing mockery of the very democracy she and others claim to be trying to say.

i don't even the guy got to answer that question either the question speaks for itself but i mean how do you know that i mean there's just something about it that's so. you know it's like the word what is that again we use it quite a bit of the show to a hypocrite. for i think there is a there's a strong amount of hypocrisy in the idea of the clinton or clinton foundation or any i'm talking about dark money and millionaires this is a this is the thing hillary and her husband bill for forty years have cultivated a heck of a list of donors and backers many of them very rich many of them very famous and it's not tiny amounts of money either you're talking about the top five donors to hillary's campaign donald sussman who runs a hedge fund managers twenty twenty point six million. has a wife sixteen point seven univision chairman and his wife sheryl levin million a hedge fund titan george soros nine point nine and slim fast founder standing

labor have a nine point seven she claims she doesn't take wall street money the other top donors are the people at the head of all the wall street stuff so it's a little distant ingenuous to me at least try to keep pushing this idea that she wants dark money and dark money is to blame for a trump when all the dark money in the world couldn't win her not one but two elections so it's a great point and the thing is like democrats and republicans both i mean just the . dark money they swim in. blood for someone and she's going to sit and blame herself as part of the problem really own up honestly and say look i this is you know i'm like i'm part i mean i don't want to but are going to be part of the solution until she says that but just pointing it all at republicans rather. yes koch brothers all responses over the years in george soros are absolutely to blame for a lot of dark body problems but then you can't get like you can't then start

working with them and protect you're going to fix the problem it's also interesting that all this too is that kind of like you know this this convenient patriotism versus loyalism kind of it's in an august piece for the new republic. democracy is democracy really dying and then he goes on the state that the case for optimism is easy to make in good times when conditions are dire conditions are dire nihilism looks like it's playing both sides again it's like yes it's which way is the wind blowing and that's the bush side yeah you know and there's a lot to be said of that because this isn't something new but i think the thing that has to stop is that politicians like hillary clinton and donald trump need to stop treating voters as if they're stupid you don't have a democracy without us period that's how it works one of the things are about eight hundred twenty thomas jefferson tells american diplomat william c. jarvis he says i know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but

the people themselves and if we think them not in the light and not to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion by education this is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power and to me that is the problem you keep spending money and the problem that hillary got no water never trampers seem to be making as they repeatedly insist on the people are just some more informed or stupid people were duped by me me and the people saw. it isn't the voters who made the mistake the people who made the mistake are the two egomaniacs who turn this entire thing and our entire democracy and our election into a shouting match in a big game and both of them had and i have this feeling like they were oh. to this that they deserved it because of who they were and what they had accomplished and they forgot about the american people both of them yes they did and they always do

because at the end of the day when they when you are part of that two party dictatorship that two party machine that two party we're going to take money from all wall street people who are screwing everybody over across the lab that's what ends up happening you cannot come clean and wash yourself you can't wash it down to that there's not a cure all in the world oh all right as we go to break off watchers don't forget to let us know what you think of the topics recover facebook and twitter shows at our t.v. dot com coming up the co-host of the beyond the prison pod cast wilson talks what comes next in the aftermath of recent u.s. prison strikes you don't want to miss that stay tuned to watch. in the age of trump winnie is all that matters the phrase by any means necessary

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just it's a question and so that's. just from. this year on the anniversary of the one nine hundred seventy one attica prison or uprising the prisoners across the united states even as far as nova scotia went on strike from august twenty first to september ninth protesting the inhumane conditions in which they are being held and the exploited of modern slave labor they are forced to work this year as prison strike got more national attention than

other strikes of recent years and shot light on the state of emergency that are corrections or rather confinement industry is sent but now that the official strike has ended and the public's attention has been gained the most important question is what is this movement's next step in reforming the prison industrial complex and equally important is how we can protect the protesting prisoners from the very real threat of off the books retaliation by the state for the exercising their first amendment right to help us answer these quite important questions and more we're joined today by kim wilson a p.h.d. in urban affairs and public policy and co-host of the beyond the prison pod cast welcome ken thank you so much for joining us today. thank you for having me. just i think the biggest question moving forward now that the strike is kind of coming to an end i know a few of those reports a few people are still you know protesting over there but the biggest question for the prisoners and prison reform activists is you know they've got some eyes on this

important issue what's the next. well i think first of all it's a little misleading to say the strike is over because as joe house lawyer speak has pointed out through the incarcerated workers organizing committee web site. that individual prisoners are able to set their own deadline in terms of when they want to finish striking and they can continue these actions indefinitely so that's just a little bit of clarification around that in terms of next steps i think again jailhouse lawyer speak has issued a statement again on the i walk website where they describe the next step is they've issued a petition that's number one but also to continue supporting people that are striking or taking actions inside of prisons around the country so those are the two major things that jailhouse lawyer speak as well as the other organizations

involved the free alabama movement for example and i walk have continued to push so all aspects of this issue are important and there's many levels this is that now there isn't one solution anything but kim what do you think are the most important reforms that prisoners need to address right away what are the things we should be making phone calls writing letters writing checks how to what are those things our number one immediate. yeah i think the prisoners issued a list of ten demands and those demands again are available. i walk website but continue you know pressing these issues both on the inside and the outside so that it stays in the public eye i know that a lot of reporters and other people that jumped on the story early on seem to have fallen off and it's no longer you know a hot topic but this is really the focus just lawyers because also been very

clear about the fact that they want. they want to hold back in terms of you know saying that this is the next step because they haven't had an opportunity to talk to all of their all of the other striking people around the country and they're going to be doing that in the coming weeks and months so this is really a protracted project this isn't something that's going to be done or over with you know today or tomorrow so it's really difficult to tell you know. we mentioned it is there really is there a real fear of retaliation against prisoners who are either on strike or worse striking and if so what form is does this kind of off the books because i know that no person is going to make it later hey guess what we retaliated against a person or you know what what does that kind of retaliation take against against

these prisoners of war who are exercising their first amendment right you still get to keep your rights regardless of whether in prison or not. well at least in theory right but one of the one of the things around retaliation that i think is important to point out is that many departments of correction around the country took preemptive action to lock down prisons to slow down or stop all mail communication they stopped all visitation so these things really were designed to disrupt the kind of activities that the strikers were engaged in so that we couldn't get any communication coming from places around the country and this was in prisons where there was no report of strike activity that had even happened yet so during the strike and after as well we've had multiple reports of at least some of the more high profile political prisoners being retaliated against for example kinetic

justice in alabama was moved to still a student so he was put in solitary confinement. because they knew that he had been involved in you know organizing to strike we've heard multiple reports of people. having new charges leveled against them for inciting riots as a result of their activity or support for the strike whether that's true or not is really or seems to be irrelevant when it comes to the dio seeds around the country so those are just a couple of examples again i would point folks to the incarcerated workers. organizing committees website because they do list all of the political prisoners and the retaliatory actions that were taken there so if people want to write to them they you know those things are available you know one of the things that always strikes me about the prison debate any debate about prisons is this idea

that people have a hard time sort of putting it together in the same. sort of group as other social justice areas it's easy to get behind a lot of things but prison and prison reform the treatment of prisoners is always that thing that's really hard to get at intersection and social justice on in this case with the prison strike you did have a lot of press there was a lot of press that did maybe not the mainstream in the level we'd like but a lot of press tech notice of it a lot of public took notice of it and it seems that it was barely a blip on the radar of politicians out all especially it was and washington despite the size of it why do you think that show many political leaders considering what there is essentially doing is setting up a system in which this this protest has created political prisoners something we fight against in every against in any other country in the world if they do it so what do you think you know without all that why do you think political leaders are not taking up

a cause or at least commenting on it and why is it so hard for us to intersect our social justice with prisons. well there are a number of different things that are going on here i think primarily you know prisoner advocacy seems to be you know the hot potato so people don't want to touch it and their historical reasons for that and i want to come back to that momentarily but i think to your first point regarding you know why this is a difficult social justice issue even for people who are involved in let's say progressive leftists movement it's a really difficult issue for them to get behind because you know prisoners are not seen as sympathetic they're seen as being rule breakers lawbreakers people that have caused harm in their communities and to society and whatever harsh punishment that they get you know is deserved so it's this mentality of just desserts oh well

this is this is what you get so i think that makes it incredibly difficult for a. lot of people or the average person i would say to find empathy with people who are protesting the really dehumanizing conditions inside that fed. organize and lead you know workshops on prison abolition and i just did one last night where we talked about these issues and why this is really deeply problematic and people respond once they start engaging in that conversation people are like oh wilkie tell me more i really had no idea that this is what was going on now to your other point regarding you know politicians just. prisons are a tough sell or prisoners are a tough sell and i don't think that politicians feel as you know within the sort of thing that they should be talking about because no politician wants to

appear to be soft on crime and i think that this goes back to you know things like the willie horton case in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and we're still carrying that historical baggage into twenty eighteen and it's affecting the way that politicians feel that they can or should respond to things that are happening inside of prisons they don't want to touch it at all and they don't say they don't say anything about it again for the reasons that i stated not to mention that i think both political parties do you know get money from the prison industrial complex or from business of the profit from the prison industrial complex so there's also that kind of campaign financial aspect there as well of why you better not touch this because it actually affects a lot of people that support me politically and i just want to finish up you know at the end here and ask what what can folks do at home people who say you know what

this is something i'm aware of i want to help out with what can people do at home to help our incarcerated citizens you know be treated more humane what's the best thing for people to do to help in this reform. i think on the ground people can first of all i would point them to the i walk website incarcerated worker stuck com or dot org sorry. there's a list of things that are happening there there are phones up so we're calling into the prison in an organized way when we get reports of retaliation happening against specific prisoners or groups of prisoners and those are things that people can you know get involved with immediately we're posting a lot of that stuff and sharing that information on twitter people can write to prisoners around the country not just the political prisoners that are listed on i walk website but they can get involved with organizations like black and pink and a tremendous program writing to people inside of prison is

a lifeline and it makes them feel you know someone on the outside actually cares most awfully. thank you so much for coming on today co-host of your own personal podcast thank you for informing the audience to. thank you for having me pleasure. let me plant one idea to remember as a kid taking flowers you had picked out and then pressing them in having them laminated school while the new york botanical garden is doing the same but then they're photographing and scanning the specimens for study these these specimens will be put into the world flora online project the goal of the process and the project about five years and it's to collect akim and mount field specimens of every known plant on the planet every one so far they have logged about ten to fifteen million specimens from the around the world but it isn't just a nice museum the project will be used to study the ever changing environment and

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