they have been violated and even much less justice it's a lot of people who are walking wounded who are mentally depressed and have no access for reason so i think that is a reason why we have to discuss impulse of happens in this region the reason i'm asking this question is because women's rights are rarely a standalone issue they're very tightly connected to children's issues economic issues man's rights as well how can one parse out. a gender identity out of many other identities that women carry why do we need to have women's rights as a subset of human rights rather than addressing human rights in the entirety and that's what we talk about intersectionality. women presents herself as a woman of color is an unemployed. person as a victim of domestic. violence as someone who has experience. so we have to try and find out if addressing all of those things all at the same

time. sometimes it's not easy to find one stop shop where you need gets the supports that you need to address all of these issues but you probably are aware there's a much stronger. advocacy and voices now that are talking about parts. more than stand alone and at the same time. also. great. about. the fact that check it does not also. service men are also depressed. expected to be preyed wieners sometimes even when they don't have the capacity to do this so it's. in a way that you mentioned before the issue of gender based violence and i know you're a very strong advocate against the and if you look at studies of domestic violence they often show that women. that male partners more frequently but it is man who

cause more bodily harm to women so it's not a straightforward i've analysis and it's that assumes that in many developed. women actually also use violence. and i know that women also do kill their. women in prison if. much fewer of the men but the thing is that they also resorts to violence quite often and i think in our society it is acceptable for a man to hit men but for a man to and for a woman to hit man for a meant to hit a woman that's not acceptable at all don't you think that this is why you know if you address this issue only from a woman's point of view and. on the phone we even actually work with men in women for instance i think in the united nations the same especially younger men where you still have

a chance to influence the attitudes when we talk about for instance. men to work we talk about this being a. power younger men i like to be harassed. maybe less than younger women but they're just as vulnerable in our case for instance me intense. through whatever orientation that you give to young women in ten because you want them to be aware that they could develop just because of the each . of their job let me ask you. also about. something that i heard you express in one of your recent speeches having it was in south africa you mentioned the concept of what you see as toxic masculinity these domineering arrogant predatory behavior i wonder if you believe in a deal of toxic femininity and if so what would that be. i think tux.

two would be females at the workplace for instance. who abuse their authority people who complain about their. femininity or masking women to being simply a toxic boss and fire. trucks and post but there is something. which comes with the fact that a man who has this. toxicity that comes of. much more than. in unpleasant woman is likely to be a man with toxic muscular. who in many cases might have resources and therefore can be very controlling over men just because there's a greater number of men who are in that position also because society allows it to be i guess that women with the potential to be toxic.

sometimes held back by the expectations of society well listen men society itself brings that out you know the guy is a co goes out and fights who pulls out and drinks. in a social way so the system. encourages. in this i know a lot of men who do not like. the kinds of studio types of men it's harmful to women who actually find that they have to fight it just to be themselves you often mention the meat you move men and the way it is presented now it's very broad because it involves. american women american actions who have been dealing with sexual advances from influential. it also includes girls in let's say africa who are subjected to have g.m.

or are wedded to much older males and i'm sure as a un official you have to speak for all women but i wonder if it's if it's really fair a lump in them all together under the having of women's rights because arguably these people women or women than america or a girl in africa in terms of their empowerment you know they cannot be compared the course of action each of them could take could not be compared well the kind of experience at different parts indivisible is a probably a much more in fact i don't even want to compare because some people who. are rich who have been victims of some form of abuse they actually have significant mental problems. people who live through and been victims of violations for instance in the church as children how much they live with difficult to reach

empowered people from the outside to think everything committing suicide so i don't think it's my place to church who has less of pain but i also know that those that experience in s.g.m. or forced marriage the a so powerless especially because it also happens it's such an. significant disempowered in the possibilities for them to get. even less and less at the the same really. also supports. the. actual of my precise point that these vulnerable girls and women they need somebody to stand up for them because they have absolutely no support system but when you compare them for example to american young american actress is not this is not a competition this is just types of rights that people experience and by that we need

to just to it's to this happened to me too it could be again who was. it happened to me or you know somebody tried to make sexual advances on me you know somebody a somebody. it's not because we run in we have a mutual type situation for girls who are victims of genital mutilation and. mutilation who feel they don't want to talk about since because it's a head for. them to talk to somebody who has gone through it was finding we surviving. and we are finding that it actually helped you know that that's a great and beautiful thing let me ask you specifically about the harvey weinstein case because this is what i'm referring to and there are

a couple of record it encounters of him acting totally inappropriately towards women but women are also shown to sort of play along they do not resist very forcefully they kind of montagne. so what's the problem here again who has suffered. deserves to be supported out in their letter specifically again who has been a victim of. mint in hollywood who ever does as a gal who has played along it's a case with. but there's little. demanding a little bit more from women because this is a conversation between the women should they i'm sure i don't that is asking for it and so i don't i think in certain kinds of plants of humans that there's a billion women who are victims of abuse. i have so much time in twenty four hours i'm going to concentrates on the numbers of the women with the west's situations

and they. have the most difficult time i'm not going to over invest on these borderline cases because i think there is a risk that we end up in the. senate. we end up neglecting the ones that's. very specific in the united nations because. there was a similar controversy just recently in louis laura's former deputy executive director of yates whom we interviewed on this very program about the year ago he had to step down because of sexual allegations. are you satisfied with the way that the case was handled well i think it's not complete because. again i was one of those people who wanted to expect for the sake of both the accuser in the end the person who has been. my instinct is to believe the woman fest i have to be there at the same time i do appreciate and i think to process is important. now there were five women all together

and some of them told in the guardian interview that they had not reported the incident because they felt that nothing would be done any way they felt they actually some of them said to the u.n. personnel they trying to actually harass them do you believe that to be the case well i'm sure because those stories they've been reported by the press they've been told to us by stuff and then there's a comprehensive review right now in the end to fix our system because it's that the fix the system is broken i have it in incidental. or. meant i had to investigate. that we've been able to fire the person but it took too long. it was frustrating to me just frustrating to the to the complainants and i was also glad that the complainants also didn't put it to the police richmond that's where. the nuance. i involve so our system is not perfect and we have to fix

it but how much of saws of the law so many are talking about women's rights from the moment you know that this policy of zero tolerance. is one thing that's being and is also at a flexion off society. how do we have that's. not. the exception institution in that people exceptional thing and that's the majority of the people just like society with but pockets. of blindspots and that's why we actually have to fix them and they just way we appreciate the fact that the states have is and that is making this mission madam we have to take a very short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments stay tuned. on. the

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and you know what. shall i do you. know. what politicians do. put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. or somehow want to. have to go right to be cross this is what before three of them or can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters in the house. question. it's hard to imagine decades after the war a nazi don't tell was still active. in the nineteen seventies crittle had as the

chair of its board a man convicted of mass murder and slavery at auschwitz a german company develops a little mite a drug that was promoted as completely safe even during pregnancy it turned out to have terrible side effects what has happened to my baby is anything paul you know she said she's just cut short arms minix a bit of mind victims i have to this day received no compensation and never apologized for the suffering that not only want the money i want the revenge. on. the back to worlds apart. in the. united nations under secretary general and executive director of the u.n. of women there is a lot of discussion these days about the politics of quick to point when people use

their gender or race as sort of excuse for the inappropriate behavior and those things happen as well i'm not suggesting that that was the case in any of the instances we already discussed but that happened i think i think it helps the course hundreds literally make that judgment call how do you person is there any i'm not an expert in vesta keating these kinds of cases i think is a consent activist i would see it is important. we engage with ever is a potential victim to really make sure that when we accuse somebody of course where it's true as possible the majority of the people who accuse come out it is because it is true and they don't get justice and i don't want to trivialize the injustice that just suffered by the majority. over invests in these limited cases i also feel that even one has and who is accused

falsely will end up in the left for who and deserves justice. and that applies both to man and he is absolutely i am concerned when when that happens. i have to see if i have a little bit of time with you i want to talk of parts. of the people who. have no recourse and. who killed themselves lose their jobs i think. probably i'm hoping. even produce these other cases that. can i ask you about one more highly publicized case. there was a very recent case of syrian they're having the. motional outburst of the u.s. open women's final and there is quite a bit of a controversy people are debating whether she is indeed a victim of male discrimination standing up for women's rights or whether she is

somebody who is using both her gender and race car to excuse her poor emotional control well you know what i saw two women of color who were victims in the case of now or me this was her moments she should have been celebrate to a young woman for the fest time getting to be in the states it's a kind of thing that you want to see go on muscles in the u.s. wasn't it searing there. and i don't know if so i don't think that sabrina planned it's i am not a game and experts intent is to know exactly who it was most experts agree that she raised their role and she was verbal is a male i just think that. if you take a lot of subtle racism if you justify behaving in such i think sometimes people lose it's empty you know because they're human they lose it's it's

a precious moment i could not have happened for both their sakes in d. i just think it's unfortunate but you know it's i really appreciate that she has been consistent on standing for the rights and this is not just one occasion when she has said a bad plea that she became like this she is. inconsistent with her correct them merican national organization for women the judge the empire's decision to penalize her for breaking the rules was an important display of male dominance and discrimination it also alleged both racism and sexism despite the fact that she was there. i wonder whether this is an indication that the woman's right moment has an identity. because the extent to which women are subject to. m.r. dunn subject her to anything. general question is this an indication of where the movement is i don't think so i think this is an isolated question in

number of situations where women are abused and people get away with this particular one. it has a lot of scrutiny it's one little thing in a world where you have millions and millions of women whose stories are never even told i'm sure you're heard the criticism from people who dislike identity politics very strongly because they have you know only have not suffered the victim of a few identity you have the legs that doesn't look like us i'm not sure of that you can then say that to anyone because everybody suffers because you know because they're fat because they're black they're all because they're. whether it's beautiful and when it's it's your high it's whatever you understand what it feels to be in that's what every person said sergey and then now and again people will i think most of people quite well know the even them to laugh and joke about some of

those dissenters but they didn't not now and again could lose it now i also want to ask you a question about gender equality and especially the representation of women in high positions are because there is a very interesting phenomenon developing in never in countries which have the highest scores on gender equality and what we can see there is that when the women are given a chance to choose what they want to do in their lives they do not always perceive pursue a high powered career or. pursue other things and i wonder what do you say to those people who who say that we would never achieve jan they're currently in the positions of high power simply because women when they're given a choice do not always go that way i think it's a combination of many things not all women have the drive. for high pressure positions i also just finished a discussion about bet's the extent to which all countries including the conscious

less kind in india will have very high scores on gender equality if unpaid care work is still what consents women in many cases where there's children involved where there's older people to look after women will pass a high powered job in must be much more content about that until their to the. stronger sharing. of their roles is not. just as a streatch that level of equality even in gender so ever reach that level i'm hoping we will it's worth fighting for if you missed the extent to which now we have the discrepancy in inequality it is worth paying attention and putting emphasis and of course there's also women who like. to be. in the

caring service and i don't think that's women or men should be penalize for that it is a. mother who to myself the amount of time i don't spend with my children you leave me perfectly to my next question because you mention the women who do not have the drive for my power and you're certainly not that kind of woman and if i'm not mistaken you have five children no i don't know i don't have i have three well you're. fired at some of their own in africa you get a lot of children well anyway really is a lot by my standard anyway and you were also the first deputy president of your country you're now a top u.n. diplomat i wonder on a personal level how did you manage to balance it all out and i did i mean i didn't manage and i lived to regret that i didn't manage. more time with my teacher. and any young woman who will watch this whenever you have time to spend with your children. if no one is going to die you need to go see an arts there if it's not

going to be a disaster choose your children it's in a very important balance to have because you know they grow up at it quickly and you can never get the time and they're also a source of such happiness that a very few drops of this one so that belongs to you. you're just their parent. in any case is so now can i ask you one more thing in the one of your interviews you told a story about a german boy who when asked whether he wants. this said that no in his country i. have to be you know why is that a positive story and i know my dad said to tell i was not telling it was because it all sort of points to the types of how studio types can condition boys and girls sometimes are conditioned to think maybe i cannot see or because they don't see enough fuel he is a bore you could be a prisoner could be

a president it's also gender stereotyping only there's hers yes that's what i'm saying that students have both ways it costs now this child boy is a mission to be chancellor has been compromised unfairly it ties into a larger problem of how we as human society is raise both our. and our daughters and i think there is a larger social problem in developed countries of man sort of falling behind not being flexible not being resilient enough to sort of take on the world do you think the u.n. would benefit from setting up a special office dedicated exclusively to the issues concerning man in a similar way you're adopting a man who has so much power they can so something from themselves have a lot of money they've got a lot of forethought and new medically speak do they stand up for one another oh i think so i mean they're the guys. staying in the locker room and the supports the boys' network and the way they hire each other the evidence right now is.

in support of man but there are men who also for the tracks were men were i mean if you look in this in the number of men were elected to be. as against. women the fact that poison elected to be the ones that. you don't think that warrants special office by the united. by the united nations of the united country can do that not everything has to come to the u.n. i don't think that. crisis proportion and all that have to do with the special problems that the boys have whether it is a health it is health issues. drug related the different institutions that specialize in that we need to do and look at the special needs for boys and address them in a very specific way boys and sports. those institutions where sports

can also. needs to. i just want to keep young women for now and i mean i i mean mother of boys so i do one something to. thank you for that as a motto boy really. madam it's been great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for you it's an encourager of yours to keep this conversation going in our social media pages. same place same time here in worlds apart.

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