much more women's empowerment needs to happen by gender specific policies to become and then that one is to discuss that i'm now joined by. united nations undersecretary general and executive director of the un women madam undersecretary general it's great to talk to you thank you very much for your time we are recording this interview on the sidelines of the eurasian women's forum which if it were dedicated exclusively to men's issues may have been perceived as sexist given how many accomplished high powered women have gathered here do you think we still need gender centered policies because. the women who are gathered here are not. a true reflection of what happens in society their women who are concerned about this issues they're using the advantage position who advocates on behalf off. into. their resources to hope to

advance. the course i think is the focus that you still have about one billion women who live with violence and only less than ten percent will ever courts. have been violated and even much less justice it's a lot of people who are walking wounded who are mentally to trust and have no access for reason so i think that is a reason why we have to discuss impulse of happens in this region the reason i'm asking this question is because women's rights are rarely a standalone issue of their very tightly connected to children's issues economic issues man's rights as well how can one parse out. a gender identity out of many other identities that women carry why do we need to have women's rights as a subset of human rights rather than addressing human rights in the entirety and let's talk about intersectionality the woman presents herself as

a woman of color is an unemployed. person as a victim of domestic. violence as someone who has experience. so we have to try and find out if i trust him all of those things all at the same time. sometimes it's not easy to find one stop shop where you need gets a supports that you need to address all of these issues but you probably are aware there's a much stronger. advocacy and voices now that are talking upwards into. more than stand alone and at the same time. this also. creates. also about. the fact check it does not also do men service men are also depressed. expected to be paid when or

sometimes even when they don't have the capacity to do this so it's. in a way that you mentioned before the issue of gender based violence and i know you're a very strong advocate against that and the if you look at studies of domestic violence they often show that women. kid that male partners more frequently but it is man who cause more bodily harm to women so it's not a straightforward i've analysis and it's that assumes that in many developed. women actually also use violence and this and i know that women also do kill their. women in prison if. much fewer of the men but the thing is that they also resort to violence quite often and i think in our society it is acceptable for a man to hit men but for a man to and for a woman to hit man for i meant to hit a woman that's not acceptable at all don't you think that this is why you know if

you address this issue only from a woman's point of view. on the phone we even actually work with men in women for instance i think in the united nations to same especially younger men where you still have a chance to influence the attitudes when we talk about for instance. men to work we talk about this being a. power younger men i like to be harassed. maybe less than younger women but they're just as vulnerable in our case for instance me intense. through whatever orientation that you give to young women in ten because you want them to be aware that they could develop a just because of the each. of their job let me ask you or also about. something that i heard you express in one of your recent speeches i think it

was in south africa you mentioned the concept of what you see as toxic masculinity these domineering arrogant predatory behavior i wonder if you believe in a deal of toxic femininity and if so what would that be. i think tux. two would be females at the workplace for instance. who abuse their authority people who complain about their. femininity or masculinity as being simply a toxic boss and. talks impulse but there is something. which comes with the fact that a man who has this talks of toxicity that comes of. to be violent much more than. in unpleasant woman is likely to be a man with toxic masculinity who in many cases might have

resources and therefore can be very controlling over men just because it creates a number of men who are in that position also because society allows it to be i guess that women with the potential to be toxic. sometimes help pick by the expectations of society well listen men society itself brings that out you know the guy is a calls out and fights who pulls out and. not in an innocent and a social way so the system. encourages. in this i know a lot of men who do not like. the kinds of stereotypes about men it's a harmful to women who actually find that they have to fight it just to be themselves you often mention the need to move men and the way it is presented now it's

very broad because it involves balls. american women american actions who have been dealing with sexual advances from insulin shock for use are it also includes girls in let's say africa who are subjected to have g.m. or aware that it's too much older males and i'm sure as a un official you have to speak for all women but i wonder if it's it's really fair a lump in them all together on did they had women's rights because arguably these people women or women than america or a girl in africa in terms of their empowerment you know they cannot be compared the course of action each of them could take could not be compared well the kind of experience at different parts indivisible is of probably much more in fact i don't even want to compare because some people who. are rich who

have been victims of some form of abuse they actually have significant mental problems. people who leave been victims of violations for instance in the chest just children how much they are difficult to reach empowered people from the outside to think of it being committing suicide so i don't think it's my place to church who has less of pain but i also know that those that experience in s.g.m. or forced marriage. especially because it also happens it's such a. significant disempowered the possibilities for them to get. even less and less at the family. also supports. the. actual of my precise point that these vulnerable girls and women they need

somebody to stand up for them because they have absolutely no support system but when you compare them for example to american young american actress is not this is not a competition this is just types of rights that people experience and by that we need to just to it's me too this happened to me too it could be again who was. it happened to me or you know somebody tried to make sexual advances on me you know somebody's a somebody. not of course we run in we have to meet to type situation for girls who are victims of genital mutilation and. mutilation who. they don't want to talk about since because it's a head for. them to talk to somebody who has gone through it was finding we

surviving. and we are finding that it actually help you know that this is that's a great and beautiful thing let me ask you specifically about the harvey weinstein case because this is what i'm referring to there are a couple of record it encounters of him acting totally inappropriately towards women but women are also shown to sort of play along and they do not resist very forcefully they kind of montagne. and what's the problem here again who has suffered. deserves to be supported out in their very specific way again who has been a victim of a mint in hollywood who ever does as a girl who has played along it's a case with. but i bet listen it was. demanding a little bit more from women because this is a conversation between the women shouldn't they i'm sure i don't think it's asking

for you know a senator i want in certain kinds of plants that there's a billion women who are victims of abuse. i have so much time in turn to four hours i'm going to concentrates on the numbers of the women with the west's situations and they. have the most difficult time i'm not going to over invest on these borderline cases because i think there is a risk that we end up in. the senate. we end up neglecting the ones that's. very specific the united nations because. there was a similar controversy just recently in louis laura's former deputy executive director of yates whom we interviewed on this very program about the year ago he had to step down because of sexual allegations. are you satisfied with the way that the case was handled well i think it's not complete because it's. again and i was one of those people who wanted to spec for the sake of both the accused

in the end the person who's being and my instinct is to be the woman festa have to be there at the same time i do appreciate and i think you process is important so. now there were five women all together and some of them told in the guardian interview that they had not reported the incident because they felt that nothing would be done any way they felt they actually some of them said to the u.n. personnel they trying to actually how. do you believe that to be the case well i'm sure because those stories they've been reported by the press they've been told to us by stuff and that is why there's a comprehensive review right now in the end to fix our system because. that the fix the system is broken i have had an incidental. or. meant

i had to investigate. we've been able to fire the person but it took too long. it was frustrating to me just frustrating to so the complainants and i was also glad that the complainants also reported to the police which meant that's where. the nuance. involved so our system is not perfect and we have to fix it but house of saud is the last and so many are talking about women's rights from the moment you know that this policy of zero tolerance is. something that's been and is also a reflection of society. how do we have. if we are not. the exception institution in that people who accept nothing and that's the majority of the people just like society with but. a blind spots and that is why we actually have to fix them and there's this way we

appreciate the fact that the states have is and that is making this mission madam we have to take a very short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race. scary dramatic to follow only. i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical. to sit down and talk. after the war. was still active. in the nineteen seventies croteau had as the chair

of its board a man convicted of mass murder and slavery. the german company developed. drug that was promoted as completely safe even during pregnancy. what has happened to my baby anything. is just. victims received compensation never apologized for the suffering. not only want the money i want the revenge. welcome back to worlds apart from the. united nations under-secretary general an executive director of the un of women there is a lot of discussion these days about the politics of quick to point when people use

their gender or race as sort of an excuse for a very inappropriate behavior and those things happen as well i'm not suggesting that was the case in any of the instances we already discussed but that happened i think i think it helps the cause i wanted to make that judgment call how do you personally as a journalist i mean i'm not an expert in vesta keating these kinds of cases i think is a consent i would see it is important that. we engage with. the potential. to really make sure that when we accuse somebody of course where it's true as possible the majority of the people who are accused come out it is because it is true and they don't get justice and i don't want to injustice. by the majority. over invests in these limited cases i also feel

that even one person who is accused falsely will end up in. who wouldn't deserve justice also so i am that applies both to man and he is absolutely i am concerned when when that happens. i have to see if i have a little bit of time with you i want to talk of parts there majority of people whose rights are on we have no recourse and being society who kill themselves will lose their jobs i think if we fix that's probably i'm hoping. even produce these other cases that's a false can i ask you about one more highly publicized case. there was a very recent case of syria in there having this emotional outburst the u.s. open women's final and there is quite a bit of a controversy people are debating whether she is indeed a victim of male discrimination standing up for women's rights or whether she is

somebody who is using both her gender and race car to excuse her poor emotional control well you know what i saw two women of color who were victims in the case of now or me this was her moments she should have been celebrated young woman for the fest time getting to be in the states it's a kind of thing that you want to see go on i wasn't serious there. and i don't know if so i don't think that's planned i am not a game and experts intent is to know exactly who was most experts agree that she. and she was verbal is a male i just think that's a black. you take a lot of subtle racism. doesn't justify behaving in such i think sometimes people lose it's empty you know because they're human they lose it's it's

a precious moment i really would not have happened for both their sakes in d. i just think it's unfortunate but she. no it's i really appreciate that she has been consistent on standing for the rights and this is not just one occasion when she has said a bad plea that she became like this she is. inconsistent with her correct them merican national organization for women the judge the empire's decision to penalize her for breaking the rules was an important display of male dominance and discrimination it also alleged both racism and sexism despite the fact that she was there. i wonder whether this is an indication that the woman's right moment has an identity. because the extent to which women are subject to it's hard earned subject her to anything under. general question is this an indication of where the movement is i don't think so i think this is an isolated question in

a number of situations where women are used to today and people get away with aids this particular one playing in the states it has a lot of scrutiny it's one little thing in a world where millions and millions of women whose stories are never even i'm sure your heard the criticism from people who dislike identity politics very strongly because they have you know only have not suffered the victim of a few identity you have the legs that it doesn't look like i'm not sure of that you can do that to anyone because everybody suffers because you know because they're fat because they're glad they're all because they're not ever whether it's beautiful and when it's mean when it's your high it's whatever you understand what it feels to be in that's what every person said sergey and then now and again people will i think most of people handle it it's quite well they listen to it not

the even then to laugh and joke about some of those dissenters but the not now and again could lose it you know i also want to ask. about gender equality and especially the representation of women in high positions are because there is a very interesting phenomenon developing in never in countries which have the highest scores on gender equality and what we can see there is that when the women are given the chance to choose what they want to do in their lives they do not always perceive pursue a high powered career or a pursue other things i wonder what do you say to those people who will say that we would never achieve john their courage in the positions of high power simply because women when they're given a choice do not always go that way i think it's a combination of many things not all women have a drive. for high pressure positions i also just finished a discussion

a puppet's the extent to which all countries including the country. we have very high scores on gender equality unpaid care work is still what consents women in many cases where there's children involved where there's older people to look after women will pass a high powered job in must be much more content about that until their to the. stronger sharing. of the roles is not. just as a streatch that level of equality even in gender. ever reach that level i'm hoping we will it's worth fighting for if you missed the extent to which now we have the discrepancy in inequality it is worth paying attention and putting emphasis and of course there's also women who like. to be. in the caring

service and i don't think that's women or men should be penalize for that it is a. mother who to myself the amount of time i don't spend with my children saw you leave me perfectly to my next question because you mentioned the women who do not have the drive for my power and you're certainly not that kind of woman and if i'm not mistaken you have five children no i don't know i don't have i have three well you're repeating your house fire that some of them aren't in africa you get a lot of children well anyway really is a lot by my standard anyway and you were also the first deputy president of your country you're now a top u.n. diplomat i wonder on a personal level how did you manage to balance it all out and design in a time i didn't manage and i lived to regret it didn't manage i was more time with my teacher. and any young woman who will watch this whenever you have time to spend with your children. if no one is going to die you need to go cnut's there if it's

not going to be a disaster choose your children it's in a very important balance to have because you know they grow up they had it quickly and you can never get that time and they're also a source of such happenings that a very few drops of this one so that belongs to you. you're just their parent. in any case is so now can i ask you one more thing in the one of your interviews you told a story about a german boy who when asked whether he wants he. said that no in his country i don't know if you have to be you know why is that a positive story and i know my dad said to tell i was not telling it was because it all sort of points. how studio types can condition boys and girls sometimes are conditioned to think maybe i can be a c or because they don't see enough fuel he is a boy you could be a pres could be

a president it's also gender stereotyping only there's hers yes that's what i'm saying that students have both ways it costs now this child boy is a mission to be chancellor has been compromised unfairly it ties into a larger problem of how we human society is raised bulls are. our daughters and i think there is a larger social problem in developed countries of man sort of falling behind not being flexible not being resilient enough to sort of take on the world do you think the u.n. would benefit from setting up a special office dedicated exclusively to the issues concerning man in a similar way you're adopting a man who has so much power they can so something from themselves have a lot of money they have a lot of forethought and new metric that up for one another oh i think so i mean they're the guys. staying in the locker room and the supports the boys' network and the way they hire each other the evidence right now is overwhelmingly in support of

man but there are men who also for tracks men work i mean if you look in this in the number of men who are likely to be. as against. women the fact that poison elected to be the ones that. in all reason you don't think that warrants special offers by the united. by the united nations of the united is so much and countries can do that not everything has to come to the u.n. i don't think that. a crisis proportion and all that have to do with the special problems that the boys have whether it is a health it is health issues. drug related the different institutions that specialize in that work needs to. look at the special needs for boys and address them in a very specific way boys and sports. those institutions where sports

can also. needs to. i just want to keep you in women for now and i mean i i mean my little boy so i do one something to. thank you for that as a motto boy i really appreciate it madam it's been great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for you it's an encourager of yours to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and hope to see same place same time here on worlds apart.

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