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a low in welcome across all things are considered i'm peter lavelle what is a state of journalism well let's have a look at the new york times the paper catalogs what is called russia gate its conclusion is astounding this and much much more on this edition of promised. some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dmitri bobbitt she's a political analyst with sputnik international and we have glenn these and he is a professor at the higher school of economics are gentlemen cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want my own. appreciated let's talk

about the state of journalism and let's talk about the state of the new york times in our their recent article. by now we're going to select this night now the plot to subvert an election unraveling the story the russia story so far just a title it assumes that there was a plot ok ok it's about a ten thousand word article there's one hundred ninety nine paragraphs and paragraphs five we have a president trying to twitter outbursts that this is all a hoax and a witch hunt in the face of a mountain of evidence to the contrary have taken a toll on public comprehension and then we go down to after the reader is tortured for many many paragraphs we go to paragraph one seventy eight mr trump's frustrations with the russian investigation is not surprising he is right that no public evidence has emerged showing that his campaign conspired with russia india election interference or accepted russian money mark interesting what happened in

between i don't know evidently it's not very important because paragraph one hundred eighty three i think it was contradicts completely paragraph five and the rest is i think it was a somewhat up it that his troubles the noels which evidently they say there's no evidence of later has taken a poor toll on public comprehension i.e. the public isn't believing what we want them to believe about what happened the rest that hundred twenty nine hundred paragraphs in between is innuendo speculation and. cherry picked intelligence assessments not even official reports and indictments that are made but have in the never been proven in any court of law anything right now and have nothing to do with russia. the problem is that the psychical is sort of old but it is. actually it has very

little acts in it you know it's all bad kind of romantic fiction let me just called it we've had to make sure you get this is the definition of brill minutes cyber rage pool harbor kerry doll of the by and inexplicably seems to russia that sounds like you know all these. romance novels and. reminds me of the war started in soviet and roman dollars i mean if you read the story or a german newspaper in one thousand so just ten percent of it will be facts ninety percent it will be a bold bloody period is to know who want our what it is that it is trying to control a certain narrative about what's going on in politics and that's what it is i mean i find it interesting that i didn't find it right before the show here but the new york times did something similar about six months or a you know how do you train you know and then they rewrote their entire history all

over again in in this is what they're doing also here is that they're saying this is the standard narrative but if you've been watching this this program watching fox news you would have a completely different view of what russia russia russia means no i agree and i think that this this replacement of facts with this emotional rhetoric kind of demonstrate that in the obviously building this case anything but pure evidence i guess overall i would be a bit concerned about the state of journalism as you opened up with because. this is just emotional rhetoric about every time they do put forward evidence we often find that you should this new evidence. but also several occasions we see that it's been disproven be it that the for example russia hacked the electric grids or the voting booth but what happens after these journalists obviously got a completely wrong. or very early start yeah but i'm not a journalist. accountable are the new selfless how we can get people been fired ok

c.n.n. fired a couple of people but overall the recall the rush overall i think. it's this sense they get a lot of their clicks and at the end of the their efforts in terms of mobilizing international opinion construction of steel succeeded and trump yeah mark you know first of all i want to equate us to march for fox there was i don't want to go on but whatever i might my point is here is that there are there is another a narrative that is completely different there are other narratives. and i'm worried for you if you think that's romantic fiction your love life is in serious jeopardy we need to take you out on the. road more exciting but more paragraph here that i thought was interesting and glenn was talking about evidence and the public case that mr putin succeeded in delivering the presidency to is it my or mr trump though it cannot be proved or disproved plausible case it cannot be proved or

disproved look this is why did they write this article and this is the way that the legal system justice and the media should work if you're making an exact accusation you have to prove it we don't have to disprove something that you can't even attempt to prove and the problem is that it's not just in washington it's immoral and sometimes it's an outright lie let me let me quote just russians hijacked american citizens' feelings about immigration and race feelings how can you have a feeling you know then also this is my favorite the u.s. had big democratic and russian forces in the so-called color revolutions. you know they make this. equality between democratic and their direction if you are and their russian then you are democratic they forget to mention that the ukrainian

regime which the us helped to install has banned thousands of russian artists and writers has basically one or correspondent that we went there for a conference on freedom of speech and she was thrown out of the country sometimes detained people get detained simply for coming there with journalist purposes you know these the regime is one of the critical talks and then the same journalists quote sheen six months ago all here all done article the us is doing the same thing there is a way the gist of the article he says we do is to say as a former cia officials who has been working for thirty years as the chief of the anti-rational corrections so again change is quoting here the yes absolutely carried out election influence at the relations and they called we keep doing it and of called so why go so you see you know it's unfortunate because it is very core of american sense of exceptionalism of course meddling in like in someone

else's election is wrong but when we do it when the us does it it is because of virtuous reasons. and of course this. this this idea that america has the right to do it i think that's what's annoying the russian government as well because at the end of the as you know that's an understatement to say the respective of whether or not did russia actually did it or not it is worth. the program to get at the i think it's worth having a debate about what extent it should be permitted to interfere somewhat in other selections but of course that's what the russian president also brought forward but if you have your high government official let's guess who are. talking about you're a high government official you have a private server that is not secure don't you think every single intelligence agency in the world would go start looking all we found and secured server ok

that's what intelligence operations are all about so why should use of be surprised when foreign countries try to find out what's going on. co berkeley when the united states is doing the same thing around the world twenty four seven march first of all the i'm in the new york times defense on this racism and it's a well known fact that racism did not exist in the us on till a few supposedly russian trolls on facebook posted a few racist me i'm sensitive as well give i that's all polarized just because of these to st petersburg that i got in on this whole thing about the us meddling in russia's elections and the long history of it to be fair the us only does it to democratize russia and every other country around the world as you know we've seen the us has meddled in more countries elections according to carnegie

mellon mellon research than any other country in the world by far but on the other hand what exactly is russia accused of assuming assuming they did it which i haven't seen the evidence they're accused of hacking some e-mails that exposed the democratic party the d.n.c. colluded with hillary clinton to rig their own primary is there any greater act of democratization than proving that the us rigs its own elections well if it's true you could imagine you know putin saying you're welcome. in it's also also if you want to look for outside meddling then we can look at christopher steele we can look at using g.p.s. then cryptically does. it's ruined cryptically cryptically donald trump said recently on the stump. america's allies are concerned about the release of these e-mails and text messages we can all speculate who those allies are i mean we're

being ironic about this interference by the same guy scott shane in february it writes it quite openly the new york times yesterday new york times a russian did american interference in the elections have not been morally equivalent and on the call but of course i don't know who the new target of the because the americans always supported the democrats and tried to leave it the influence of authoritarian governments while russians did the opposite and and they provide the statistics that the us intervened in eighty one elections while the white and russians together with their soviet period in just thirty six i mean can you imagine them seated in their culture waiting you know what are their criteria so there where there is good meddling and there is bad meddling and there is a good bit of that you see in the sprit ludes the star wars yes yes there's a popular me that has been telling the young darth vader attic and don't dare

attack i have the high ground that every time i hear us eventual say this we have the moral high ground don't you dare. you we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion and some real news stay with. with lawmakers manufacture consent to stick to the public will. when the ruling classes protect themselves. the primary go. to ignore middle of the room signal.

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a freelance broadcast journalist martin it's good to have you back on the program let's talk a little bit about what's going on with russia israeli relations in lieu of what's happened in the last week or so with the they and the shooting down of a russian jet. accidentally we're told here what has been the fallout go ahead martin. well at the moment it's up in the air this is a very serious subject which is really don't get in the correct amount of. media and that's a largely free force the relationship that is through the house with russia is a very special israel is the only west of our it which is actually of syria and at the moment but has a very special relationship with a short lease that has recently so i think what's happening now is that all the analysts and journalists are scratching their heads and wondering what's the next step now from those tartars a lot of. duplication and confusing messages are coming from russia which at least

hoping it wouldn't be terribly. but but i think israel is now in a really difficult position because this social relationship may well have to be put on hold in a whole new new set of sort of rules they will have to be true or not between russia and it's really you know you've got a situation now where by a tacit relationship a tacit agreement since russia entrance into one syria which will allow what the israelis to bomb at will across syria now they're going to have to be drawn into question i mean you know allowed israel to do that because remember israel lost so much since september two thousand and fifteen when russia came to syria you know it's lost all of its extremists in the south you know until the point things were very good for israel but now you know it's a little child. maybe well and what both sides have an interest to make this thing go away with the exception he pointed out that russia should use this as

a way to push it back at this release and also i think it would imagine in terms of the strategic patience and process on this that i think there's a limit to it because of course it's and it's in russia's interest not to say it's going to create so many waves at the moment as the war is coming to an end do you want you know if you want as little disruption as possible on the other hand when. russia laos yeah other countries to come in and bomb and they have put its own forces in jeopardy it has to ask yourself whether or not it's actually promoting peace because foreign powers will factors in next time to british for example come and drop some bombs that will come with the assumption that russia is not going to fight back to teddy erosion is a serious solver ok to any. patients ok in the world one more topic before i want to talk about what's going on on the korean peninsula peninsula because i think it's really really important something we've talked about repeatedly on this program if there's going to be peace on the peninsula it's going to be the koreans

are determined and it's happening well we should. forget that they actually sanction war continues it will the whole of course but my point is here we have the two leaders the two korean leaders that are making the right sounds making the right moves in the right optics and whose who's left out in the cold the us yes they don't mean you have the distinct impression they don't like the pace of where this is going i think the war between north and south korea is almost ended because the agreed to make a bid for their joint bid for the next olympic games and all that's in two thousand and thirty two or something going to steal it's ok i don't think we know but. my point is here is that they want to end this conflict and if this conflict does come to an end there is a big question to ask when and why would the u.s. continue to have troops in the south and initials you know what it says there was an interesting piece in the hill this week where essentially i will stick conclusion at the end that the u.s.

shouldn't accept any political settlement but essentially it reduces the u.s. footprint dominance in that part of the world so i think that's all that america's interest is that into reason although obviously well i think that was also a point to put off quite obviously this week because when the koreans both north and south put forward their ideas that they would like to increase the physical transportation corridor between them both the rail and road center the americans told our allies no sorry you can't do that so essentially their allies yeah they're all going to have their clients when their security provider essentially tells you what to do in america you very much if you're not even your native language and you're doing it better than we think it is worth asking whether or not you actually are an ally or muscle state so it is i think there is more more awareness in south korea as well that if they do want to make peace with the north. they do have a problematic relationship with the u.s.

of course on the one hand they do depend on the for security on the other hand it's limited what the americans are really going. you have limited something mark i mean south korea north korea are basically ignoring the u.s. at this point which we long said on the show they need to do and they're taking a whole series of steps all right they're starting to demilitarize at a small scale the d.m.z. which is ironically enough the most heavily militarized area in the world they're constructing having north korea dismantle missile testing sites. the presidents of the two. j and kim jong il and climbed a sacred mountain sacred to both north and south korea historically you know to their culture together these are all confidence building measures all being taken of course. thank god without the u.s. in the room the only thing i'm worried about is what the u.s. will try to do to sabotage burgeoning peace twenty seconds yes well i mean these

case with the north and south korea is a question ok so sanctions being ineffective there was a very good article about sanctions in general in the americans conservatives this week and it's very interesting that the united states is at the same time punishing china and one can china to basically you know when there's something to say it's also putting tariffs on south korea so yeah that's another topic for another program here and we've been out of time many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in beirut this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk rules. with gold make this manufacture consent to step into the public will. when the

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