apologized for the suffering that i not only want the money i want the revenge. it's twenty four hours before trump is expected to call out iran at the u.n. i'm actually tense here we're going underground coming up on the show as the bill gates foundation claims forty percent of the world's poorest will live in nigeria and the sea by twenty fifty we speak to someone who could be nigeria's next president the former u.n. official professor kingsley will dilute about apology in line but that hasn't happened yet it's not a promise that has been kept unfortunately so the whole question of crude oil be in you know kind of the the golden goose that lays the golden egg in nigeria and yet

the people who lay the goods is not benefit in anything so nigeria nigeria is political client and late has benefited from oil but the poor masses of nigeria citizens have only got some power and that includes many people from the niger delta where the oil comes from tourism a particularly talked about cooperation is regarding the war on terror while i was talking whether tom polo case because vince cable the head of the liberal democrats was business secretary then for the panel and was. no any connection they all deny any wrongdoing what is the relationship between bihari and so-called warlords in nigeria and boko haram which is what your resume was referring to with our strategic defense partnership with nigeria well i mean is the president of nigeria so he has a responsibility to secure the country against terrorists and he says he's been very successful that he has tried but whether his best has been good enough is another question because boko haram continuance. so i talk nigerians and we

continue to have terrorism in other ways and you don't in any relations between the current president and the rest well not not necessarily and not really as a former minister of family friendly cody says that he supports people who fly think of a i don't think disagree with. i don't think i don't think i would say that i would say he has failed to secure the country there's no comparison to anyone in the cabinet over the years i wouldn't know who these group i wouldn't know what the real problem that people feel that is not act decisively and off about is the men they fled to so-called flemmi heads men who have killed nigerians are around the country in so many locations and yet none of them really has been brought to justice and many people wonder why is the government incapable of controlling these men who have become really kill us the competence issue as regards the president it's an issue of going to defense and it's an issue of political will so he has

nothing to do with gender weed elements book or. elements at all as far as you know . look around boko haram and the the so-called full on the headsman are two different issues and the reason is government has failed to secure nigeria is because they have a very simplistic understanding of national security in nigeria ninety nine percent of the security chiefs in nigeria come from one part of the country so it is obvious that the guy didn't principle is parochialism they come from behind or is part of the country they are not diversified nigeria is a big and complex country and for you to have all the intelligence you need you need to have people from different parts of the country what do you think the americans think do you think the cia would support your candidacy we have a we have a declassified eighty three documents in the cia like this man back in eighty three well i cannot comment on the operations of intelligence agencies but i can tell you that's my focus is on what the piece. nigeria think the people of nigeria do not

think i had about the performance of the president mohamed two hundred government today they believe it's a fairly oh and there's a groundswell of opinion that the risk. politicians have failed us it's sixty years of independence and a jury has got nigeria's citizens of gotham bora bora where us the country has a lot of potential as everyone knows some of us think it's time for something new something different and something bold someone like myself for example i think i would be able to engage international partners much more effectively whether it's the united states or russia or the united kingdom i have been a professor in the united states i have been a united nations official for many years i have been a deputy governor of the nigerian central bank but you said that about russia and the united states how would it is brics would you improve relations officer said your than president of all because i understand economics president because government has not shown

a very effective understanding of how international economics works or even how local economies can be developed to give a jury strategically from wiki leaks we know diplomatic cables or shell trying to stop china and russia from gaining oil contracts well you know there's always a little bit of a new number that would help us your discus president up probably have a shell or would you favor russia no i can't i favor the nigerian national interest and we are prepared to walk with various international partners so long as nigeria's interests are protected the problem with nigeria's politicians which is why the people increasingly want in a new visionary kind of leadership for nigeria is that these politicians are very corrupt and they are only out for their own interests you know the interests of the multinationals on various countries is legitimate but the interests of nigeria and they also legitimate and we can work out a win win scenario it's not if but why hasn't it work so for the i.m.f. a been down there will bank of been down that doesn't want. because of the

incompetence of nigeria's political leaders they don't understand economics they don't understand international relations it's all nigerians fault. it's not the if you allow it i mean if you're lucky if you allow if you allow for a negotiating partners to screw you whose fault is this is the way to get onto that i'm sorry does it suit. to keep. doing so well so it doesn't become too competitive oh it's not about that it is an idea and many it is because international relations countries are pursuing their own interests and that's normal president rouhani may say here look i'm just a bunch of the well the jury is was in your civil servant. but. you defended him he only let you off or resignation it was a money event president bush has shown a complete lack of will to fight corruption inside his own government i don't think the government is fighting corruption in the way it should impartially in terms of accountability or even proactively in terms of putting in place transparency is

that come prevent corruption like someone said allegations of corruption in the government are treated with deodorants allegations of corruption against the opposition are treated with insecticide well libya i have to say some people are. running from nigeria to libya was a libya war a good idea the war the tourism a says you still would look would have supported with britain well you know i mean the issues in libya a very complex what nigerians affects nigeria in a number of ways number one a lot of nigeria migrants moving away across the child they'll go into libya and trying to stage use in libya as a staging port for cross into europe so that's a big big problem the libyan war in itself you know interventions like the intervention in iraq and the intervention in libya we have seen how often they have led to state failure. supported the iraq war the libya war i probably would not go

because when you you know not nations that define their national interests in the context of the talk in such a nations well that's a defense of their own national interest and libya was an african country i mean for several years maybe it has now been in chaos so who is benefit from that i was never fun of gadhafi never was i a fan of is but the fact is that there's a lot of gales of that country today so what is really been achieved just does what up on that iraq and just finally and briefly well that we could have had the whole interview on this subject you were the u.n. legal advisor at the international tribunal in rwanda there's a show on t.v. here it was written called black earth rising i've got to ask you so many years old since hundreds of thousands were killed was that was the west implicated in any of that mass killing in rwanda well the west was implicated in the sense that they did not intervene when they should have i mean i think that's obvious in one thousand nine hundred for this they stopped the un from

a muscular intervention that could have stopped the genocide i remember how traumatized it was to listen to some of the testimony in the war crimes tribunal for rwanda in the courtrooms and i was the legal advice and i was spokesman for the international tribunal and but it was also something very gratifying that we were able to bring the architects of that genocide to justice so that was a big success story for the motivation of the end not all shows national security adviser saying the i.c.c. the international tribunal the i.c.c. is dying at it and they had one of the problems of the international criminal court is the practically all its defendants in african countries african countries the only ones off reckons the only ones who commit war crimes apparently according to the hague well that tells you there's a problem i disagree with the concept of a veneer of global justice that is simply a cover for bringing in the weak. to account whereas the strong escape the justice of international law has to go to thank you very welcome. thinking of doing an

m.b.a. at one of britain's top business schools. just think again and we have stocks and facebook stocks and google stocks are wonderful and you can make money but how about the underbelly which is most people who are living in third world status within the greatest nation. film director. going. to because there is no power that is powerful enough to take over the country all of them. and they did over the last four years that's what they did they just kept fighting and fighting and fighting and nobody was able to win anything. from all of this is destruction of the country is the

killing of the young people and the innocent and became so miserable to come to because of. joined me every day on the alex salmond. politics. i'm sure. i'll see you then. welcome back of bank lehman brothers which crashed ten years ago this month and. where did the bankers go to school someone has written a book attacking the very ethos behind the world's business schools as professor new book shut down the business school what's wrong with management education coming on. business schools my sense is that business schools are very dangerous institutions other institutions that. the model of capitalism. that celebrates

certain kinds of organization and economy to the exclusion of all sorts of other alternatives and given that we human beings now face a species threatening environmental crisis as well as all sorts of problems of environmental justice and inclusion and so on i think it's time we started seriously to think about alternative business practices to why do you think it is the book like this is going out now in the twenty first century when the heyday when they began was the eighty's was it taking so long for people to write this down for you know it is not along the road. it's true that the growth of the business school in the states is much earlier than it is in northwest europe and in the u.k. in particular were i work then we really don't see business schools emerging on a mass scale until the late eighty's early ninety's but those schools have now started to reconfigure the universities that they're part of something like in the

u.k. something like one in seven students and are studying some variant of business management finance or account where you talk about a parasitic relationship with universities as hosts yes that's right you have to go into sure and i might but my sense is that the effective privatisation of the university sector in the u.k. has been enabled by the business school because the business school has been the part of the university which most universities abuser's cash machine in order to keep the chemistry department open and make sure the classic style gets taught and so on so what effectively is happened is that the business school has kind of introduced a set of management practices of ways of thinking about finance of audit of regulation and so on that's gradually come to constitute the university itself in our structures the universities for the vast majority of u.k. universities an increasing number of northwest european universities now regard themselves as commercial concerns in various ways are involved in a whole series of quite. business practices but also using management and business

language to explain how they do what they do and i think that's quite dangerous i think it's quite corrosive of certain fundamental values about what universities should be and why they exist in the first place so yeah i kind of like that metaphor of the university being a history of the business school being a kind of virus that's now been injected into the university and is reconfiguring the university as you do mention would be really going to think that they are basically places that teach people how to get money out of the pockets of ordinary people and keep it for themselves that's what the the fundamental evils would be yeah i mean. i need to be a little careful in that there are people like me within some business schools who are trying to teach more heterodox more critical kind of curriculum but the vast majority of stuff that's taught in the about thirteen thousand business schools on the planet is entirely pro-capitalist effectively you might as well rename these things schools for capitalism because that's what they do as if there were no other

ways of thinking about business organization and i think there clearly are no surprises as to who funds them when a group gives them growth i think you mention oxford say business school got some money from the broker the forty three billion pounds saudi arms deal the deal very controversial in this country money is coming from these forces within corporate capitalism to then teach another generation to be like them that's right i mean if you go to many of the major business schools you know that they're in downman sponsored let's just say it has some time to the seats in the lecture theatres have been donated by various corporate benefactors because of course those corporate benefactors benefit very materially from the kinds of knowledge that's produced in those places so it's a bit like a kind of narcissistic game in a way you know the the corporation goes the university asked the university to accept a big cash in return for producing a kind of knowledge that presents the corporations a splendid place to be and to be. you know attacking the idea of management in this

book although you also say it's not necessarily political you know the morgue's learned in mo and che guevara would've never attacked manager would say it's. got a slightly different way of thinking about it which is essentially that the concept the key concept i think we should be talking about is organizing so this is how human beings and things come together to do stuff and how to make things how to produce stuff how to share things and so on and i think there's lots of different ways in which human beings can organize themselves effectively what's happening with their business schools is that a particular kind of corporate managerialism is becoming a default model so as if there were no of other available kinds of organizing and that seems to me a really dumb thing to say the metaphor i use in the book is this idea well if you were studying history you wouldn't just study the fifteenth and seven centuries or if you were studying biology you wouldn't just study human legs and human heads of something but effectively that's what the business school is doing it's claiming to

represent organizing but yet only focusing on one very small aspect of it and i think that's dishonest and dangerous as a mother barbara thank you. well from the university halls of capitalism to the corridors of power now joining me is actor host of artie's watching the hawks and director of the new film a century of war sure joy and welcome to going underground i've got to say before we get on to the documentary. is that there's a lot of western destabilization in the western hemisphere being talked about in british mainstream media venezuela. one of the most amazing films about destabilization in your hemisphere is salvador your dad made the film but you with the baby cradle by james woods in self i was acting without knowing that i was acting you think it still has relevance today a film itself it was an incredible movie i recommend everyone watch it because like

you said it's about. really that whole time period of creating death squads and it was it was salvador it was the contras was quite a model and by the way these these operations still exist in different countries around the world they're just not really talked about until after the fact let's go to a century of war a very apolitical film comparing the decline of the us to the decline of the british you know obviously speaking in britain people in britain don't refuse to believe the british why that comparison i don't know that it would necessarily say it's straight comparison as i do think i agree actually the british empire does exist the commonwealth exists the queen is the head of this massive empire still whether or not they have tax havens some of them as tax has actually of tax havens and you have an ideology and empire of the mind as churchill called it right the americans bought into it new world order was a book that i published about that relationship to the british empire and how they incorporated america into it so essentially we have become a military garrison state for what used to be the british empire and the financial

issues ships the wall street and in the city of london goes back to the origins of wall street but why the collapse of america is because while we don't necessarily see it on the front page if you go through the middle of the country and travel through the towns like when i was in princeton princeton studying a college and i was travelling by train to new york i would see trying to do prawns wakin of the towns of america fall apart exactly they'd fall in the rust belt as a cold and so that's that a case not about the fact of yeah we have all street stocks and facebook stocks and google stocks are wonderful and you can make money but how about the the underbelly which is most people who are living in third world status within the greatest nation in the world and you seem to suggest that the. government itself is being privatized away in the united states we followed thatcher's lead all right that was the whole point was from the seventy's late seventy's carter actually start of the

lot of that privatization process of the banking sector and you know obviously through the eighty's but that she was doing in london was very much mirrored by reagan throughout the eighty's and. that privatization that ultimately you know kind of. you could say that moment really was the renunciation of glass steagall when we took that down by clinton actually did it right in the two thousand separation of banks investment banks exactly last eagle have protected since the no one's talking about janeiro trump isn't even talking about separate going back on that clinton precisely no one's talking about putting why do you think that is the facts because many sons as well it would make sense i did not collude with the military authorities to suppress community unrest and in no way encouraged or advocated any act of violence in nigeria will be back on wednesday the day after we called in the speech of the british labor party could not survive social media will feel when the eighteen years of age twelve thousand lists arm around the world protested against globalization join the i.m.f.

and world bank summit in prague. what is a state of journalism well let's have a look at the new york times the paper catalogs what is called russia gave its conclusion is astounding this and much much more on this edition of crossfire. when you.

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once and many find themselves worlds apart. just a look for common ground. glenn . glenn. glenn polenta.