both inside and outside the country. was a guest on sophie and co here's a preview. it is a very challenging situation because of the militias who they took over parts of the country i mean i mean they're out of the east of the west in the south they're everywhere and this is going to show they're getting support from internally and also from the outside clearly the for if the foreign intervention have to stop to stop supporting to be militias they should be insisting on on the country because really it isn't the best interests of everybody so the government itself does not have much power one thought it turned which is the power of money and wealth and these are the ones which really kind of used over the last three years almost almost three years now to protect itself because unfortunately the government submitted its well to the militias and that's where the problem as.

very links to there when she was home secretary u.k. argued we had very good relations we are still exporting arms to the party government and some were believed to go to tom polo the seven wonders of alleged theft and money laundering what is the british government's relationship to your country well i really wouldn't know about the specific case you mention but the british government has important relationships with nigeria those relationships i can all make their political military and possibly intelligence is under john major brittle supported danger of being thrown out of the commonwealth when that was because executions exact result exactly absolutely but but that's long gone the relationship has gotten i believe a very has sorted things out there as regards the not necessarily the niger delta still has a lot of issues that part of nigeria remains very poor there's

a lot of environmental degradation. his government has promised to clean up you know going in line but that hasn't happened yet it's not a promise that has been kept unfortunately so the whole question of crude oil be in the you know kind of the the golden goose that lays the golden egg in nigeria and yet the people who lay the goose is not benefiting anything so nigeria nigeria is political client elite has benefited from oil but the poor masses of nigeria citizens have only gotten poorer and that includes many people from the niger delta where the oil comes from tourism a particularly talked about corporations regarding the war on terror why as to whether tom polo case because vince cable the head of the liberal democrats was business secretary then philip hammond was. any connection they all deny any wrongdoing what is the relationship between bihari and so-called warlords in

nigeria and book of her own which is what tourism a was referring to with the strategic defense partnership with nigeria well i mean who is the president of nigeria so he has a responsibility to secure the country against terrorists and he says he's been very successful he has tried but whether his best has been good enough is another question because boko haram continuance so i talk nigerians and we continue to have terrorism in all the ways and you don't in any relations between the current president and the mr well not not necessarily and not really as a former minister of any funny cody says that he supports people who i think are i don't think is agree with. i don't think i don't think i would say that i would say he has failed to secure the country there's no comparison to anyone in the bush cabinet over the years i wouldn't know with these groups i wouldn't know them the real problem that people feel that is not act decisively and off about is the

man they fled to so called flight he heads men who have killed nigerians are on the country. three in so many locations and yet none of them really has been brought to justice and many people wonder why is the government incapable of controlling these men who have become really kill us the competence issue as regards the president it's a matter of going to defense and it's an issue of you know but. you defended him he only let you off or resignation it was a money event president bush has shown a complete lack of will to fight corruption inside his own government i don't think the government is fighting corruption in the way it should impartially in terms of accountability or even proactively in terms of putting in place transparency is that come prevent corruption like someone said allegations of corruption in the government treated with deodorants allegations of corruption against the opposition are treated with insecticide well libya i have to say some people are. running from

ledger area to libya was a libya war a good idea the war the tourism way as you still would look would have supported with britain well you know i mean the issues in libya a very complex what nigerians it's affects nigeria in a number of ways number one a lot of nigeria migrants moving away across the child they'll go into libya trying to stage use in libya as a staging port for cross into europe so that's a big big problem the libyan war in itself you know interventions like the intervention in iraq and the intervention in libya we have seen how often they have led to state failure would you have supported the iraq war the libya war i probably would not go because when you you know not nations that define their national interests in the context of a talkin such a nation's well that's a defense of their own national interest and libya was an african country i mean

for several years maybe it has now been in chaos so who is benefited from that i was never a. fun of gadhafi never was i a final thought is but the fact is that there's a lot of gales in that country today so what has really been achieved just as what up on that iraq and just finally and briefly all that we could have had the whole interview on this subject the un legal advisor the international tribunal in rwanda there's a show on t.v. arabs written called black earth rising i go to. so many years old since hundreds of thousands were killed was that was the west implicated in any of that mass killing in rwanda well the west was implicated in the sense that they did not intervene when they should i mean i think that's obvious in one thousand nine hundred four they stopped the un from a muscular intervention that could have stopped the genocide i remember how traumatized it was to listen to some of the testimony in the war crimes tribunal for rwanda in the courtrooms and i was the legal advice and i was spokesman for the international tribunal and but it was also something very gratifying that we were

able to bring the architects of that genocide to justice so that was a big success story in the end not all shows national security adviser saying the i.c.c. the international tribunal the i.c.c. is dying at it and made one of the problems of the international criminal court is the practically all it's defendants of the african countries african countries the only ones offered guns the only ones who commit war crimes apparently according to the hague well that tells you there's a problem i disagree with the concept of. of global justice that is simply a cover for bringing in the weak. to account whereas the strong escape the justice of international law thank you very welcome after the break thinking of doing an m.b.a. one of britain's top business schools professor martin pago warns you just think again and we have all street stocks and facebook stocks and google stocks are wonderful and you can make money but how about the underbelly which is most people

who are living in third world status within the greatest nation in the world. film director. going up. what is the state of journalism let's have a look at the new york times the paper catalogs what is called rush to get its conclusion is astounding this and much much more on this edition of crossfire.

welcome back of bankers were to blame for lehman brothers which crashed ten years ago this month and catalyzed sturdy where did the bankers go to school someone has written a book attacking the very ethos behind the world's business schools as professor new book shut down the business school what's wrong with management education lot of thanks for coming on. shutting down business schools my sense is that business schools are very dangerous institutions other institutions that teach a very particular model of capitalism. kinds of organization and economy to the exclusion of all sorts of other alternatives and given that we human beings now face a species threatening environmental crisis as well as all sorts of problems of environmental justice and inclusion and so on i think it's time we started

seriously to think about alternative business practices to why do you think it is the book like this is. come out now in the twenty first century when the heyday when they began was the eighty's was it taking so long for people to write this down for you it is not along the road. and it's true that the growth of the business school in the states is much earlier than is in northwest europe and in the u.k. in particular were i work then we really don't see business schools emerging on a mass scale until the late eighty's early ninety's but those schools have now started to reconfigure the universities that they're part of something like in the u.k. something like one in seven students are now studying some variant of business management finance or a cow you talk about a parasitic relationship with universities as hosts yes that's right you have to go into sure and i might but my sense is that the effective privatisation of the university sector in the u.k. has been enabled by the business school because the business school has been the

part of the university which most universities abuser's cash machine in order to keep the chemistry department open and make sure the classic still gets taught and so on so what effectively is happened is that the business school has kind of introduced a set of management practices of ways of thinking about finance of audit of regulation and so on that's gradually come to constitute the university itself in our structures the universities for the vast majority of u.k. universities an increasing number of northwest european universities now regard themselves as commercial concerns in various ways are involved in a whole series of business practices but also using management and business language to explain how they do what they do and i think that's quite dangerous i think it's quite corrosive of certain fundamental values about what universities should be and why they exist in the first place so yeah i kind of like that metaphor of the university big house or of the business school being a kind of virus that's now been injected into the university and is reconfiguring

the university as if you do mention will be able to get a thing. they are basically places that teach people how to get money out of the pockets of ordinary people and keep it for themselves that's what the so fundamentally feels would be yeah i mean. i need to be a little careful in that there are people like me within some business schools who are trying to teach more heterodox more critical kind of curriculum but the vast majority of stuff that's taught in the about thirteen thousand business schools on the planet is entirely pro-capitalist effectively you might as well rename these things schools for capitalism because that's what they do as if there were no other ways of thinking about business organization and i think there clearly are no surprises as to who funds them when group gives them growth i think imagine orks would say business school got some money from the broker the forty three billion pounds saudi arms deal the deal very controversial in this country money is coming from these forces within corporate capitalism to then teach another generation to

be like them that's right i mean if you go to many of the major business schools their endowments sponsored let's just say it has some time to the seats in the lecture theatres have been donated by various corporate benefactors because of course those corporate benefactors benefit very materially from the kinds of knowledge that's produced in those places so it's a bit like a kind of narcissistic game in a way his name you know the the corporation goes the university asked the university to accept a big cash in return for producing a kind of knowledge that presents the corporations a splendid place to be and to be clear you know attacking the idea of management in this book and although you also say it's not necessarily political you know a bit more clearly in mo and che guevara would've never attacked management say it's so i'm going to put in i've got a slightly different way of thinking about it which is essentially that the concept the key concept that i think we should be talking about is organizing so this is how human beings and things come together to do stuff you know how to make things

how to produce stuff how to share things and so on and i think. there's lots of different ways in which human beings can organize themselves effectively what's happening with their business schools is that a particular kind of corporate managerialism is becoming a default model so as if there were no of other available kinds of organizing and that seems to me a really dumb thing to say the metaphor i use in the book is this idea well if you were studying history you wouldn't just study the fifteenth and seven centuries or if you were studying biology you wouldn't just study human legs and human heads of something but effectively that's what the business school is doing it's claiming to represent organizing but yet only focusing on one very small aspect of it and i think that's dishonest and dangerous as a mother barbara thank you. well from the university halls of capitalism to the corridors of power now joining me is actor and host of r.t.

is watching the hawks and director of the new film a century of war sure joy and welcome to going underground i've got to say before we get on to the documentary. is that there's a lot of western destabilization in the western hemisphere being talked about in british mainstream media venezuela one of the worst amazing films about destabilization you're here with here's salvador. made the film but you with the baby cradle by james woods i was acting without knowing that i was acting you think it still has relevance today of itself it was an incredible movie i would recommend everyone watch it because like you said it's about. really that whole time period of creating death squads and it was it was salvador it was the contras was quite a model and by the way these these operations still exist in different countries around the world they're just not really talked about until after the fact let's go to a century of war a very apolitical film comparing the decline of the usa to the decline of the

british you know obviously speaking in britain people in britain don't refuse to believe the british and brothers go why that comparison i don't know that it would necessarily say it's straight comparison i do think i agree actually the british empire does exist the commonwealth exists the queen is the head of this massive empire still whether or not they have tax havens some of the most taxes actually it's our savings and you have an ideology and empire of the mind as churchill called it right the americans bought into it new world order was a book that i published about that relationship to the british empire and how they incorporated america into it so essentially we have become a military garrison state for what used to be the british empire and the financial issues ship to wall street and in the city of london goes back to the origins of wall street but why the collapse of america is because while we don't necessarily see it on the front page if you go through the middle of the country and travel through the towns like when i was in princeton princeton studying a college and i was traveling by train to new york i would see trying to do bronze

wakin of the towns of america and fall apart exactly they'd fall in rust belt as a cold and so that's that a case not about the fact of yeah we have all street stocks and facebook stocks and google stocks are wonderful and you can make money but how about the the underbelly which is most people who are living in third world status within the greatest nation in the world and you seem to suggest the. government itself is being privatized away in the united states we followed the factors lead right that was the whole point was from the seventy's late seventy's carter actually start of the lot of that privatization process of the banking sector. and you know obviously through the eighty's but that she was doing in london was very much mirrored by reagan throughout the eighty's and. that privatization that ultimately you know kind of you could say that moment really was the renunciation of glass steagall when we took that down by clinton actually did it right in about two thousand the

separation of banks investment banks exactly last legal and protected since the no one's talking about trump isn't even talking about separate going back on the clinton precisely no one's talking about putting the facts because many times as well it would make sense i mean look to me it makes sense to go back to classical exactly i think brought up during the election with warren some point i think was an advocate for it it makes sense to protect your basically not to not to play with your positives money which is what creates the scam of speculation but the problems are so much money at stake when you have this massive amounts of collusion that goes on at the very top right with the with the various private banks in bed with the insurance companies and all of these you know this conglomerate of financial power it's just there's too much money in a sense to say no to that if you mention collusion if you turn on television stations in the united states today the collusion we're talking about is very definitely the threat to the united states posed by most if not all of the threats

and that's the whole point of what empires do they always say direct the enemy the enemy abroad the enemy is out there that's the whole point you basically consolidate through endless war and i think j.f.k. the film there was a great line where it's war is the sort of. misquoting a bit like war is the operating principle of any state if you really want to effect change if you really want to have control of your society you have to be in a war. mentality economy because it goes top down executive orders and so really since the second world war we've been war first with i mean really since the first world war but there was a ten year break right the second world war starts. we go into the cold war after that the cold war goes until the ninety's with a slight reprieve although we have bosnia or kosovo. iraq one and then what happens nine eleven ever since then perpetual terror terror starts to wane oh now we have russia again so it's just it's

a constant war economy but to say that everything he just could have been tweeted by donald trump before he became president he said he was against the war as it was some flip flopping your film in one sentence on detroit the car industry of the two million workers he's always dogging about the death of manufacturing industry and he won michigan yeah so. trump is an answer to a lot of people's prayers although i have necessarily been able to effectuate everything i think it's unrealistic to expect the president to come into a we're talking about again oligarchies here the princeton university i think it was a put out a study of couple years ago about how america is not a public or a democracy it's an oligarchy so you're talking about major financial vested interests and some are more internationalist in their in their agenda and others are more nationalist i think represents the oligarch either ruling money wealth that's more nationalistic that's why he you know basically jettison the t.p. right away he's not a proponent of nafta he does want to i think improve the american core industries

you know i think his corporate tax cuts problematic as they may be do make it more of an incident they do incentivize corporations to repatriate come back and employ americans workers so look he's not a perfect figure by any means i'd probably rather see someone between trump and bernie sanders but there is there is thing there are things that he's doing in standing for that is symbolically what the american people want and that's why he was had the you know basically he was voted in for that reason. thank you and before we go we should also say regarding allegations by amnesty international against shell and paul one that the oil company's response. saying that misty international's obligations relating to its current operations are false without merit and fail to recognize the complex environment in which it operates refutes the allegations that its support of the nigerian military crackdown. in the one thousand nine hundred shoulder states it did don't collude with the military authorities to suppress community on the wrist and in no way encourage or advocated

any act of violence in the nigerian we'll be back on wednesday the day after we called in a speech to the british labor party can we talk about social media with your with. the world protested against globalization during the i.m.f. and world bank summit and. this is what happens to pensions in britain. as a report. what is the state of journalism what's up a look at the new york times the paper catalogs what is called rush to get its conclusion is astounding this much much more on this edition of crossfire.

the russian defense ministry publishes radar. israeli jets were leaving the area before the russian plane was mistakenly down by syrian air defenses. president will preside over the security council i'm sure that's going to be the most watched security council meeting ever a lot of good things can happen. anticipation. speech at the u.n. general.