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welcome across town for all things are considered i'm peter lavelle what is a state of journalism well let's have a look at the new york times the paper catalogs what is called russia gave its conclusion is astounding this and much much more on this edition of promised. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow marks that he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dimitri bobbitt she's a political analyst with sputnik international and we have glenn these and he is

a professor at the higher school of economics are gentlemen cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciated let's talk about the state of journalism and let's talk about the state of the new york times in our in their recent article. by now we're going to select this night now the plot to subvert an election unraveling the story the russia story so far now just a title it assumes that there was a plot ok ok it's about a ten thousand word article there's one hundred ninety nine paragraphs and paragraphs five we have a president trying to twitter outbursts that this is all a hoax and a witch hunt in the face of a mountain of evidence to the contrary have taken a toll on public comprehension and then we go down to after the reader is tortured for many many paragraphs we go to paragraph one seventy eight mr trump's frustrations with the russian investigation is not surprising he is right that no public evidence has. the merge showing that his campaign conspired with russia

india election interference or accepted russian money mark interesting what happened in between i don't know evidently it's not very important because paragraph one hundred eighty three i think it was contradicts completely paragraph five and the rest is i think it was they sum it up it his trumps the noels which evidently they say there's no evidence of later has taken a port toll on public comprehension i.e. the public isn't believing what we want them to believe about what happened the rest of hundred twenty nine hundred paragraphs in between is innuendo speculation and. cherry picked intelligence assessments not even official reports and indictments that are made but have in the never been proven in any court of law anything right now and have nothing to do with russia or

the problem is that the cycle is sort of old but it actually has very little facts in it you know it's all bad kind of romantic fiction let me just call it it we've had to make sure you get this is the definition of roman assist cyber rage poor harbor kerry doll of the by an inexplicably sinister russian that sounds like you know all these. romance novels and the reminds me of the war started in soviet and driven dollars i mean if you read the soviet or a german newspaper in one thousand so just ten percent of the will be facts ninety percent it will be a bold bloody period is to know who warned over and over what it is that it is trying to control a certain narrative of what was going on in politics and that's what it is i mean i found it interesting i didn't find it right before the show here but the new york times did something similar. but six months you know how do you reign you know

and then they rewrote their entire history all over again in in this is what they're doing also here is that there's they're saying this is the standard narrative but if you've been watching this this program watching fox news you would have a completely different view of what russia russia russia means no i agree and i think that this this replacement of facts with this emotional rhetoric kind of demonstrate that they obviously building this case anything but pure evidence i guess overall i would be a bit concerned about the state of journalism opened up with because. this is just emotional rhetoric about every time they do put forward evidence we often find that you should this no evidence there but also several occasions we see that it's been disproven be it that the for example russia the electric grids or the voting booth what happens after these journalists obviously got

a completely wrong. our journalists. held accountable are the new self let's how we can get people been fired ok c.n.n. fired a couple of people but overall the recall the rush overall i think that it this initially get a lot of the clicks and then of the their efforts in terms of mobilizing international opinion against russia still succeeding. yeah. first of all i want to equate us to march with fox there is i don't want to respond but whatever i might my point is here is that there are there is another a narrative that is completely different there are other narratives. and i'm worried for you if you think that's romantic fiction your love life is in serious jeopardy we take you out on the. road but more paragraph here that i thought was interesting and glad i was talking about evidence and the public case that mr putin . succeeded in delivering the presidency to his admirers mr trump though it cannot

be proved or disproved plausible case it cannot be proved or disproved look this is why did they write this article and this is the way that the legal system justice and the media should work if you're making an exact accusation you have to prove it we don't have to disprove something that you can't even attempt to prove. the problem is that it's not just in washington it's immoral and sometimes it's an outright lie let me let me quote just russians hijacked american citizens feelings about immigration and race feelings how can you have a feeling you know then also this is my favorite the us had bad democratic and russian forces in the so-called color revolutions. you know british is the they make this. equality between democratic and they had to rush if you are and they're

russian then you are democratic what they forget to mention that the ukrainian regime which they were asked to install has banned thousands of russian artists and writers has basically asleep one of our correspondent with and went there for a conference on and on freedom of speech and she was thrown out of the country sometimes detained people get detained simply for coming there with journalist purposes you know the regime is all it's not a critic at all and that the same journalists quote sheen six months ago all here all the time article the u.s. is doing the same thing there's a way the gist of the article he says we do is to say as a former cia officials who has been working for thirty years as a chief of the entire russian operations so again cheney is courting him the yes absolutely carried out election influence and they're called we keep doing it and

of called so one course you see no evidence that supports this is very core of america's sense of exceptionalism of course meddling in a lead in someone else's election is wrong but when we do it when the u.s. does it it is because of virtuous reasons. and of course the serbs see it the sprit ludes the star wars yes yes there's a popular me i'm. telling the young darth vader attic and don't dare attack i have the high ground that every time i hear us a virtual say this we have the moral high ground don't you dare. you we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion and some real live stay with our.

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welcome back across the uk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real names. ok now we're joined by martin j. he's in beirut and he's a freelance broadcast journalist martin it's good to have you back on the program let's talk a little bit about what's going on with russia israeli relations in lieu of what's happened in the last week or so with the they and the shooting down of a russian jet. accidentally we're told here what has been the fallout go ahead mark. well it's at the moment it's up in the air this is a very serious subject which is really don't get in the correct amount of. media nuts largely because the relationship that israel has with russia is a very special one israel is the only western ally which is active in syria and at

the moment but has a very special relationship with russia least it has recently so i think what's happening now is that we're on all the analysts and journalists were scratching has been wondering what's the next step now from this tete a tete with a lot of. duplication and confusing messages are coming from russia which i don't think it's helping if i can be crittenton of who said it. but i think israel is now in a really difficult position because the special election shipmate will have to be put on hold and a whole new new set of sort of rules may well have to be drawn up between russia and it's really you know you've got a situation now where by a tacit permission ship a tacit agreement since russia entering the theater of war in syria which allow us the israelis to bomb at will across syria now that's going to have to be drawn into question i mean putin allowed israel to do that because you have to remember israel

lost so much since september two thousand and fifteen when russia came into syria you know it's lost all of its extremists in the south you know until that point things were very good for israel but now it's at the all time low and what we're witnessing in my view is a sort of insecurity from netanyahu which is reaching new limits mean i think with the downing of the russian jet it was certainly lessons learned and the simple messages which came across not you and let's let's let's talk about some of those lessons here marc amien you've been watching this very very carefully has this relationship russia and israel changed as a after this tragedy the loss of life here. i would say that it should but at least from the russian president and his words diplomatically spoken seemed very trite why everyone who periodically spoke a little too diplomatically spoke and as far as i'm concerned the russian ministry

of defense made clear they said that the israeli craft can be conducting i think the two hundred eighth ill legal unilateral attack violating syria's saw over n.t. what they claim there was iran and hezbollah in syria as if syria doesn't have the right to control its own ally you know to choose its own allies through that help to fight off israel's proxy jihadi s two hundred some attack and supposedly they did it using a russian reconnaissance plane that was frantically trying to land to get out of the conflict area as cover and then the syrian air defense. might have x. what is it with a russian ministry of the friends accidentally locked onto it with a with a passive radar detection it's a much bigger radar signature than the israeli f. sixteen so the russian minister and says it clearly blames israel for this first of

all they never should have been talking an illegal attack on syria to begin with if they had some idea that it could be a threat to their security they should have taken their evidence to the u.n. security council of course if that's the case but you know for me and we got a demon here this has some echoes of the u.s.s. liberty on the american what was in the one thousand nine hundred sixty seven. were an american ship and sailors were attacked and sailors were killed ok well it's true of the comparison was made in russia but the main points on which the russian defense ministry quotes and create it in his press conference this was first they use radio planes did not want to leave the area. you know they were there and they offered help or only fifteen or twenty minutes after the plane was dull pictured second russia actually did everything to do ensure security by its actions in syria

russians helped to remove the and the israeli forces from the golan the you know their area broaching golan kates and in general in the south of israel there was an agreement between netanyahu and putin that russia will. get what we're trying to get it we go back to martin j. here real quick martin i mean the damascus government has been petitioning very heavily for more advanced anti-aircraft technology and that has been hotly debated and the russian side has pulled back do you think that the russian government now is going to change its position. oh my will to think has issued throws the debate up into the air i mean you may well see this narrative next coming weeks of russian syrian and iranian military advisers sitting around a table and saying well what can we do to prevent me again it may well not even be anti aircraft missiles on the ground it may work even jets in the sky because you

could remember that so far until this point when israel has crossed lebanon illegally and into syria and carries out the sorties it doesn't usually have any other planes tool yeah surprise since main its main problems on the ground i'm wondering whether this is the point now where such people say look you know we've got an outdated decrypted air force but perhaps is the time now to look to mr putin for some more military aid in maybe a few su russian jets in the sky and with with the syrian air force badges on the rear wing may well be what's needed but i think there's a certain amount of politicking going on which i think is which is which is rather dangerous at the moment i mean i think putin is probably going to use that. to exercise a certain amount of leverage against his friend in a good career as mr netanyahu because you know how long can this banal relationship carry on whereby you have these sorties being carried out right and you know it's it's often been reported but one hundred eighteen iranian soldiers the last two

were killed were not you know how long can the iranians and hezbollah and even the assad government you know continue to except for security on the other hand it's limited what the americans are really as they have limited samhain mark yeah i mean south korea north korea are basically ignoring the u.s. at this point which we long said on the show they need to do and they're taking a whole series of steps all right they're starting to demilitarize at a small scale the d.m.z. which is ironically enough the most heavily militarized area in the world they're constructing having a north korea dismantle missile testing site. the presidents of the to. jay and kim jong un climbed a sacred mountain sacred to both north and south korea historically you know to their culture together these are all confidence building measures all being taken

of course i think thank god without the us in the room now the only thing i'm worried about is what the u.s. will try to do to sabotage this burgeoning peace twenty seconds yes well i mean these case with the north and south korea is a question ok so sanctions being ineffective there was a very good article about sanctions and generally the americans conservatives this week and it's very interesting that the united states is at the same time punishing china and one can china to basically you know with the same to say it's also putting tariffs on south korea so yeah that's another topic for another program here and we've been out of time many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in beirut this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk rules.

you know world is a big part of the mob and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks.

yeah. breaking news this hour the russian defense ministry publishes radar records to debunk israel's claim that it's just were leaving in the every area before the russian l twenty plane was mistakenly downed by syrian activists says. president will preside over the security council i'm sure that's going to be the most watched security council meeting ever a lot of good things could happen. anticipation grows over donald trump's speech at the u.n. general assembly.