in greater numbers the day after his inaugural the people to her daughter force inaugural because they were nauseated about having something like that and that's why in all these elections that we've seen since that women's march republicans are coming way short of you to their usual numbers and you know we'll see what happens on election day steve john should right now that has got a good point that we want should happen if he is found guilty does anything. to support no matter how waltz is what richard saying if kava know what i mean if cavanaugh is found guilty. i don't know who would find him guilty this is in a trial if if if witnesses and evidence that we have not seen comes to light credible evidence then i guess the president with you would withdraw the nomination i will get another conservative in there and then i'm sure the democrats will put out the call for more women but i don't see that happening on a second we have already had hold on we've already had one republican nominee to

the supreme court. remember how many charges democrats trotted out like this zero so the fact is the suggestion that somehow this is what democrats do is nonsense demonstrated by the fact that it didn't happen when donald trump nominated the first person of the supreme court ok to go and say ok the gentleman not was going unfortunately this could go on forever and i have thank you both very much for coming on to the program i mean the film has weakened president kind of wranglers and steve malzberg t.v. has been political commentator thank you. see him for this i'll be back at the top of the fans watching. what is the state of journalism let's have a look at the new york times the paper catalogs what is called russia its

conclusion is astounding this much much more this edition of crossed. the shevardnadze it's been seventy years since western powers toppled maybe a strongman moammar gadhafi live in the country and in tatters and unity in libya ever be reached again well i asked. the former deputy prime minister. after the overthrow of moammar gadhafi still has no unified. militia. civilians. and several rival governments

a powerless to stop the wave of chaos the pros as a country back together again even begin what must happen for dozens of rival actors to come together. as one nation. or the former deputy prime minister of libya welcome to the show great to have you with us lots going on in the country to libya's rival leaders prime minister fayyad iraj and general haile for how far have agreed to hold elections in december this is a rabs now says that the situation is too unstable to hold france's a man on the whole who meditate that the talk says elections should still be held as planned as they would help to stabilize and unify the country which side are you on. i'm on the side of the libyan people i mean clearly it is there is a plan to have an election but of course the situation in the country today is not really favorable to that i mean there is really war going on in the east there is

a lot of clashes around tripoli as has been for the last two or three weeks so this environment is not really suitable for any election that can be done with it would be a fair and free election for the libyan people country need to be stabilized first to be able to allow for any elections in the future elections it is not a magical thing that will solve the problem and even if we have elections own thing going to make a big difference today but so you may the idea is to stabilize libya before holding elections but how are you going to do that how how can you stabilize libya who has been happening for the past few years. just this through i mean it is a very challenging situation because of the militias who they took over every part of the country i mean and they are to the west of the south they're everywhere and these militias they're getting support from internally and also from

the outside clearly they for the foreign intervention have to stop to stop supporting these militias they should be insisting on on the stability of the country because really it is in the best interests of everybody so speaking of militias the report from atlantic council says that there are at least twenty million weapons to the six million inhabitants that's a huge number one that's despite the u.n. ban on arms exports to libya i mean the conflict in militia groups seem to operate without paying attention to what the aaa government thinks does the government in tripoli have any real power on the ground if they can't control this things. i don't believe that either of the governments there are clearly the government tripoli which is the government national accord it has no power whatsoever to be able to do that but think there is there is a lot of oblique pressure today on those militias because people defend out of them

and also because of what's going on in the last couple of weeks where they become under the much pressure so the government itself does not have much power has one power in its turn which is the power of money and wealth and these are the ones which really kind of used over the last three years almost almost three years now. to protect itself because unfortunately the government submitted its well to the militias and that's where the problem as now the number of weapons in the country i mean who knows i mean the idea they can be twenty they can be even more than that but though most of these problems were inherited from the from the former regime when when when the regime collapsed clearly they opened up before the close to open up all the depo for for the military of people of course to have them on close to some countries even though as you said there is a u.n. in pargo but there is some countries they still bring weapons in they come to egypt they come from the united arab emirates and from other places which they come and

bring more weapons to the country and of course that's that's a very dangerous intrastate that the jury has announced a formation of the joint force that is supposed to stablish some kind of order in the city of tripoli what are its chances and why he is saying if you think it will succeed or not. i think i think it has a has a chance of success. because i mean right now if you if you look at the situation over the last two weeks there is this brigade which came from the outside which for me there was just another militia but still they have put a lot of pressure on diminishes inside inside the city and those missions either sit or right though they feel they're under so much pressure they are being threatened and of course they might be willing to play a role but of course the bands of this discord lucian of the forces that mr soros has has issued an order to to form if they will really become very serious

and doing their job and if they have the power and that's the thing it is. and also i think the important thing right now the united nations mission is i think playing a much better role than they have done over the last four or five years at least now they are calling things by their names they are talking about the issues and the problems that are facing the country and also showing there is far more support from the international community to overcome this challenge that we are facing at this time. so the libyan officials are reported to be anticipating american airstrikes in the country against isis targets ship the u.s. military come back again to libya is it a good idea saying that at some point there will have to be another interaction to bring this and less fighting to an end you know i mean clearly there are some strikes against some. darvish presence in different parts of the country which is

has been going on i mean this has been done to me regardless if you want to or not no clearly i don't want to see if serious military intervention in the country but i want to see a serious political and economic intervention from the powers to be because all those militias clearly they have over the years they were able to make a lot of money and so their accounts they are not a libya they are overseas so they can be used clearly against them there and those people really see serious commitment from for example the united states since you mentioned that then i think though those people would be able to adhere to this pressure and they would be right be willing to compromise and for coming to solution where they will be able to get out from from the political arena getting out from the life of the people and just stay in their products until when the moment where they can be dismantled and been integrated in the in the in the bigger

society so the twenty eleven revolutionaries as well as khadafi were politicians people loyal to general huffed are and tribal leaders have recently launched a libyan peace group initiative in tunisia how do you estimate the chances to and do it in crisis. i mean there is there is a lot of factions in libya i mean clearly i mean still have to raise is this to me is is one of those people who are causing this this problem and he had this problem by his campaign that started in two thousand and fourteen when he attacked bin ghazi and and of course at the time there is a group small group of people who are really they are a terrorist group but of course this campaign has gone on for four years and it did not do any good for the country itself i'm in the city mostly dismantled and also at the same time there is there is all these groups where they are clearly bear that to be able to overcome the problem that has today only peons have to join

hands together let's join hunder stunt to revenge what taking place in two thousand and eleven or two thousand and fourteen will ever that has but to join hands so they can work together to have a better future for themselves for their children for the grandchildren it's a general haftar who is libyan national army controls to east of the country and doesn't recognize the government in tripoli says that tripoli must be liberated he threatens to move on tripoli on the time is right if that is the case what is the point of all this peace talks groups for and mediations. i mean of course i mean i meant have to conclude whatever he wanted but there's no such thing as general national army i mean this is his creation we have a libya if you go to defer to the how many people are really enlisted in the army there's a hundred thirty thousand of them have to doesn't have even a thousand of those people there so so he can claim whatever he want and everybody

else force their claim of course you can see the spread good suppose attacking the tripoli also saying that they are another army there so so so all of these military there is no military solution to the country there is no way have to not be able to go into tripoli the be able in those brigades to be rolled into the side tripoli they are not going to be able to go to the east and of course live along the south which is right now there is a war raging between many different factions and there are also people from outside the country who they are there can you see a situation in which the government of national accord general haftar could reach a working consensus what shit they promised a half hour or so that he would agree to bring his army under control of the government in tripoli. first of all i don't think that the government in tripoli can do because they don't control much i mean clearly the only thing they have they have the international legitimacy which they have but the limb but the government in tripoli does not even have power of control on tripoli as

a city alone for that alone about the whole east and the south part of the country so it is so to say that really the problem in libya is between mr seraphin and have to are if they agreed and they resolve the problem i wish it was that simple but it is not and of course we know that have to reduce very clearly i mean in the last week they came out and he mentioned that he does not believe in elections only believe that the the military is the one who should rule the country and that's an acceptable to all of the libyan people. and so so there is no so there is no even a start a starting point and and so so if there is no agreement on a political way to solve this problem. nobody can sort of the spro to because there is no power in libya that is powerful enough to take over the country all of them down small powers they can fight for ever and they did it really over the last four

five years that's what they did they just kept fighting and fighting and fighting and nobody was able to win then i think the only thing we have from one of those is destruction of the country is the killing of the young people and their innocent and the life of they became so miserable to come to because of all of that but we're going to take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to. the former deputy prime minister of libya discussing the situation in the country seven years after the revolution.

happened to pensions in britain. watched as a report. by way back with. the former deputy prime minister of libya discussing whether libya's division can we overcome. any time soon so this son of moammar gadhafi saif al islam was willing to take part in libya's presidential election diplomats working on libyan peace talks a saif al islam is a symbol of a consolation for many libyans what's your take i mean does he have

a role to play in the future of libya i mean i mean any any libyan has the right if they are not convicted in a court to flow if they could not commit crimes against the country in the libyan have the right to participate in the political system of the country and for presidential. so for mr safely slum which i don't know exactly what he is i mean the last time you know that he is imprisoned and sometimes i hear that maybe he was left but again i don't know what he has i mean he should come out and tell us where he is a fee is interested in doing that so so in principle anybody who did not was not convicted for a crime in libya i don't think that mr safely can do that unfortunately because when he has all the power unit his lifestyle he cannot do much as my first became out and he threatened the libyan people when the revolution started so i don't think that he is really contributing figures because again because of his history

the history of his father and when he has all the power when his father was in power he has all the power to do with her but he won't and we haven't seen much been done by him or his father in favor of the of the libyan people i says were expelled from their libyan stronghold sarat a year ago but just recently they've claimed the attack on the oil facility near tripoli that terminus such as for international and security affairs outside the group is now more active and organized than a year ago should we be worried that the group will use libya's disarray to re-emerge and raise stablish itself. of course the it's very unfortunate yes i mean the the instant that you mention this as a proxy war for those countries of course we know the conflict is going on between the countries you mentioned the united arab emirates and egypt and qatar and turkey and others and france and italy and so on and so so unfortunately those

countries they are also polarized and they come in different sides of the of the factions that are fighting together and they are there who are fueling it who they are really compete to slee supporting that sometimes even by their own. military to help one side against the other but all actors in the libyan political standoff are in contact with russia does a moscow can play a role in bringing the parties to the negotiating table the same way it's seeing in syria for example i mean differently i mean russia the united states and england and so on who they have really when they talk to those people of the again show that they are very interested in two things in and unified libya and a stable libya and they will be willing to support us but they cannot support it through supplying them with weapons they should to stop doing that and also i think russia can play a positive role in helping to stabilize the country but again this requires

a lot of nations they're willing to do that and they are interested to see it so i remember barack obama won sat that biggest mistake of his presidency was a lack of planning for the aftermath of could atthis ouster. norway has just admitted it had no idea what it was doing what it sent planes to bomb lilia what about now i mean do you think the west has a clear cut strategy in libya today. i don't i don't think that libya right now is a priority most of these countries. think libya is a priority the united states or to russia or china or to the powers to be unfortunately libya slipped down into the approach of those those countries so they don't have no strategy for it and that's why clearly the smaller countries in the world are playing a bigger role in libya to destabilize it instead of the. measure countries major powers of the world who the completely different wrong being disengaged from it so

so probably i mean you know over the last month or so there is some indication maybe the u.s. is trying to engage but that's not clear to me that they have a strategy of engagement in libya so is it fair to say that all those western countries interfered bomb libya and just left is that a fair statement. no what first it meant is that these countries they came to help the libyan people during the two thousand and eleven revolution and afterward lucian successful successful in the sense of toppling the regime unfortunately as the disengaged and the left and they did not because they thought somehow that the libyan people can do it in their own clearly we have proved that we could not so here's a painful question probably for you as well mr up because you have been a staunch opponent of khadafi all your life you were also a libya's interim deputy prime minister after gadhafi was overthrown but seventy years on the tribal balance you managed to hold is gone the country is in turmoil

there's war. was the overthrow really worth it should he should it have been done in a different way. i mean what does norway report it just gave me just gave me and other testimonies of people involved it seems that many in the west now regret helping to topple gadhafi seeing how bad things got after his his ouster. there was only one think it is i think i think what had been done in two thousand and eleven personally i think it was the right thing to do. but i wish if this in gave me continued to help the libyan people to overcome this of course right now we are paying for the legacy of gadhafi i mean i mean this is i mean the says if you look at during the revolution he is the one who let seventeen thousand criminals and give them weapons to go in the streets and those people are some most of these missions no i still still believe that the revolution was the right thing to do

because we lived for forty years under an oppressive regime who has does not value anything in the libyan life or the human rights of the libyans he destroyed the country he didn't build anything with all the vast wealth of the country again yes i know the things has been bad over the last five six years or so but hoping for the future that we will overcome all of this as libyans would realize that all the plots against us was coming from all these countries we have to overcome that and clearly hope that well we would realize that this is very important that we here move we cherish the freedom the libyan people and clearly we want a democratic state but what you call what you call back when you take the potato ship if you take today's results and the situation on the ground today would you call that revolution and success i understand that the revolution brought down the tater ship which was not about freedom it was not about transparency democracy but

you can carve hardly call what is happening now a democracy either i mean you yourself were kidnapped by some militia guy in the broad daylight is not agree not it's not like a very democratic system and a and revolution some would argue has failed do you think it was a success i think i think it probably would need more time to be able to i mean clearly the vision was a success in the sense that brought down the regime. but we may be able so far are we we felt to move it from that to a real estate is there a democracy today there is no real democracy in the ideal sense there is a few elements unfortunately even the few elements of democracy they have contributed negative because i mean i see one of the major problems and that we have over the last few years is is those bodies which we have elected who they did not do anything to serve the people of libya itself so so i think it is it is a struggle that we are going through as libyans i know it's

a very painful yes to all of us and and it is very painful to our people but clearly we still there is a hope that we will overcome all those challenges especially if our international community help us. i was going to say thank you very much for sharing your thoughts on libyan reality and reality on the ground it was great talking to you good luck with everything we were talking to. the former deputy prime minister of libya and the country's trouble transitioning seven years after the overthrow of . that's it for this edition of so if you can call see next.

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