because there is no power in libya that this powerful enough to take over the country all of them just one power they can fight for ever and they did it with video over the last four five years that's what they did they just kept fighting and fighting and fighting and nobody was able to win anything the only thing we

have from one of this is destruction of the country is the killing of the young people and the innocent and good life of the good became so miserable to come to be was a full. blown welcome the cross-talk or all things are considered i'm peter lavelle what is a state of journalism well let's have a look at the new york times the paper catalogs what is called russia gate its conclusion is astounding this and much much more on this edition of processed.

ross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark the he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dmitri bobbitt she's a political analyst with sputnik international and we have glenn these and he is a professor at the higher school of economics are gentlemen cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciated let's talk about the state of journalism and let's talk about the state of the new york times in our in their recent article. by now we're going to select this night now the plot to subvert an election unraveling the story the russia story so far now just a title it assumes that there was a plot ok ok it's about a ten thousand word article there's one hundred ninety nine paragraphs and paragraphs five we have a president trying to twitter outbursts that this is all a hoax and a witch hunt in the face of a mountain of evidence to the contrary have taken a toll on public comprehension and then we go down to after the reader is tortured

for many many paragraphs we go to paragraph one seventy eight mr trump's frustrations with the russian investigation is not surprising he is right that no public evidence has emerged showing that his campaign conspired with russia india election interference or accepted russian money mark interesting what happened in between i don't know evidently it's not very important because paragraph one hundred eighty three i think it was contradicts completely paragraph five and the rest is i think it was a sum it up it his trumps the noels which evidently they say there's no evidence of later has taken a toll on public comprehension i.e. the public isn't believing what we want them to believe about what happened the rest of hundred twenty nine hundred paragraphs in between is innuendo suspect.

elation and. cherry picked intelligence assessments not even official reports and indictments that are maintaining but having the never been proven in any court of law anything right now and have nothing to do with russia or the problem is that the psychical is sort of all but it actually has very little facts in it you know it's all bad kind of romantic fiction let me just called it we've had to make sure you get this is the definition of bromance cyber rage poor harbor kerry doll of the by and inexplicably sinister russian that sounds like you know all these. romance novels and. reminds me of the war started in soviet and drummond dollars i mean if you read the story there is a german newspaper in one thousand so just ten percent of it will be facts ninety percent it will be a bold bloody period is to know who won what it is that it is trying to control

a certain narrative about what's going on in politics and that's what it is i mean i find it interesting that i didn't find it right before the show here but the new york times did something similar about six months or a you know how do you train you know and then they rewrote their entire history all over again in in this is what they're doing also here is that they're saying this is the standard narrative but if you've been watching this this program watching fox news you would have a completely different view of what russia russia russia means no i agree and i think that this this replacement of facts with this emotional rhetoric kind of demonstrate that you're obviously building this case on anything but pure evidence i guess overall i would be a bit concerned about the state of journalism as you opened up with because. this is just emotional rhetoric about every time you do put. forward evidence we often

find you should this no evidence there but also several occasions we see the it's been disproven be it that the for example russia the electric grids or the voting booth what happens after these journalists obviously got a completely wrong to our journalists with the journalist held accountable are the new selfless how we can get people been fired ok c.n.n. fired a couple of people but overall the recall the rush overall i think that it's this initially get a lot of the clicks and then of the their efforts in terms of mobilizing international opinion against russia still succeeding. yeah. like you know first of all i want to equate us to march with fox there is i don't want to say it i'm but whatever i might my point is that there are there is another he's trying to find out what's going on. co berkeley when the united states is doing the same thing around the world twenty four seven first of all the i'm in new york times defense

on this racism and it's a well known fact that racism did not exist in the u.s. on till a few supposedly russian trolls on facebook posted a few racist memes since it was well no good why that's all polarized just because of these to st petersburg and now i got in on this whole thing about the us meddling in russia's elections and the long history of it to be fair the u.s. only does it to democratize russia and every other country around the world as you know well we've seen the us has meddled in more countries elections according to carnegie mellon mellon research than any other country in the world by far but on the other hand what exactly is russia accused of assuming assuming they did it which i haven't seen the evidence they're accused of hacking some e-mails that exposed the democratic party that the. and see colluded with hillary clinton

to rig their own primary is there any greater act of democratization than proving that the us rigs its own elections well if it's true you could imagine you know putin saying you're welcome. in it's also also if you want to look for outside meddling then we can look at christopher steele we can look at using g.p.s. then cryptically is ruined. cryptically donald trump said recently on the stump that america's allies are concerned about the release of these e-mails and text messages we can all speculate who those allies are i mean we're being ironic about this interference by the same guy scott shane in february it writes it quite openly the new york times yes at the new york times a russian american interference in the elections have not been morally equivalent and on the court but of course i don't already have to the need to get

a third of the because the americans always supported the democrats and tried to limit the influence of authoritarian governments while the russians did the opposite and and they provide the statistics the us intervened in eighty one elections while the white and russians together with the soviet period in just thirty six i mean can you imagine them seated in their culture waiting you know what are their criteria so there where there is good meddling and there is bad meddling and there is a good bit of that if you see it is the pre ludes the star wars yes yes there's a popular me that has been telling the young darth vader attic and don't dare attack i have the high ground that every time i hear a u.s. official say this we have the moral high ground don't you dare. say you were going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stay with our.

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a little mind victims i have to this day received no compensation then never apologized for the suffering that not only want the money i want the revenge. welcome back across like where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind we're discussing some real names. ok now we're joined by martin j. he's in beirut and he's a freelance broadcast journalist martin it's good to have you back on the program let's talk a little bit about what's going on with russia israeli blocking an illegal attack on syria to begin with if they had some idea that it could be

a threat to their security they should have taken their evidence to the u.n. security council of course there's going to but you know for me i'm going to deem here this has some echoes of the u.s.s. liberty attack on the american one nine hundred sixty seven. an american ship and sailors were attacked and sailors were killed where were strong where the comparison was made in russia but the main points on which the russian defense ministry concentrated in his press conference this was first the use radio planes did not leave the area immediately you know they were there and they offered help or only fifteen or twenty minutes after the plane was dull pictured second russia actually did everything to do ensure security by its actions in syria russians helped to remove the and the israeli forces from the. area broaching golan cade's and in general in the south of israel there was an

agreement between netanyahu and russia will use real what we're trying to get it we go back to martin j. here real quick martin i mean the damascus government has been petitioning very heavily for more advanced anti-aircraft technology and that has been hotly debated and the russian side has pulled back do you think that the russian government now is going to change its position. well it may well to me i think has issued throws the debate up into the air i mean you may well as his narrative next coming weeks of russian syrian and iranian military advisers sitting around a table and saying well what can we do to prevent this happening again it may well not even be anti aircraft missiles on the ground it may work even to be jets in the sky because you can remember that so far until this point when israel was has crossed lebanon illegally and into syria carries out the sorties it doesn't usually have any other planes tool yet when it's arises main its main problems on the

ground i'm wondering whether this is the point now where such people say look you know we've got an outdated decrypted air force but perhaps is the time now to look to mr putin for some more military aid in maybe a few as soon russian jets in the sky and with with the syrian air force badges on the rear wing may well be what's needed but i think there's a certain amount of politicking going on which i think is which is which is rather dangerous at the moment i mean i think putin is probably going to use this now as a circuit to exercise a certain amount of leverage against his friend in inverted commas mr netanyahu because you know how long can this nomination should carry on whereby you have these sorties being carried out right and you know it's it's often been reported that a hundred eighteen iranian soldiers the last two were killed were not you know how long can the iranians and hezbollah and even the assad government you know continue to accept this completely illogical arrangement

a strange relationship you know something's got to give somewhere ok i think that's what we meant is something has to give and i want to thank you martin jay for joining us in beirut here this continue this here and glenn i think martin really brings up a good point i mean i hate to say because it's a cliche but we're at a nother crossroads in syria yes the. last of the on the cross for us on the other hand i do think that the russian israeli and relationship of survive it simply because it is an. why didn't i do think it could have survived but i think it's going to transform as well well and what both sides have an interest to make this thing go away with the exception he pointed out that russia should use this as a way to push it back at this release and also i think you know what he mentioned terms of this strategic patience that process show on this that i think there's a limit to it because of course it's and it's in russia's interest not to create so many waves at the moment as the war is coming to an end you want you know if you want as little disruption as possible on the other hand when. russia allows the

congress to come in and bomb been there put its own forces in jeopardy it has to ask yourself whether or not it's actually promoting peace because foreign power will factors in next time to british for example come and drop some bombs that will come with the assumption that russia is not going to fight any erosion is a serious solvent ok to any. patients ok in the world one more topic we were. going to talk about what's going on on the korean peninsula peninsula because i think it's really really important something we've talked about repeatedly on this program if there's going to be peace on the peninsula it's going to be the koreans are determined and it's happening well we should not forget that they actually sanction war continues it will the whole of course but my point is here we are two leaders the two korean leaders that are making the right sounds making the right moves in the right optics and whose who's left out in the cold the u.s. yes they don't mean you have the distinct impression they don't like the pace of

where this is going so i think the war between north and south korea is almost ended because the agreed to make a bid for their joint bid for the next olympic games and that's in two thousand and thirty two or something i'm saying deal it's ok you know actually no but. my point is here is that they want to end this conflict and if this conflict does come to an end there is a big question to ask when. and why would the us continue to have troops in the cell and have initials you know when he says there was an interesting piece in the hill this week where as i said i will stay conclusion at the end that the us shouldn't accept any political settlement that essentially reduces the u.s. footprint dominance in that part of the world so i think that's all that's america's interest is that entire reason although obviously well i think that was also a point to put off quite obviously this week because when the koreans both north and south put forward their ideas that they would like to increase physical

transportation corridor between them both the rail and roads. of the americas told us no sorry you can't do that so essentially their allies yeah they're all going to have their clients when they are secure that provide their essential tells you what the conduit unmerited you for what it is you're not even your native language and you're doing it better than we did it is worth noting that we're not there actually are an ally or muscle stance so it is i think there is more more awareness in south korea as well that if they do want to make peace with the north. they do have a problematic relationship with the u.s. of course on the one hand they do depend on the for security on the other hand it's limited what the americans are really going to have limited something mark i mean south korea north korea are basically ignoring the u.s. at this point which we have long said on the show they need to do and they're taking a whole series of steps all right they're starting to demilitarize at a small scale the d.m.z. which is ironically enough the most heavily militarized area in the world they're

constructing having north korea dismantle missile testing sites. the presidents of the two. j. and kim jong il and climbed a sacred mountain sacred to both north and south korea historically you know to their culture together these are all confidence building measures all being taken. course. thank god without the us in the room now the only thing i'm worried about is what the us will try to do to sabotage this burgeoning peace twenty seconds yes well i mean this case with the north and south korea is a question of sanctions being ineffective there was a very good article about sanctions in general in the americans conservatives this week and it's very interesting that the united states is at the same time punishing china and one can china to basically you know with the same to say it's also

putting tariffs on south korea to tell you that's another topic for another program here and we've been out of time many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in beirut this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk rules. to leak leak out to. you would you.

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the russian defense ministry publishes raids are going to pass to contradict israel's claim that its jets had left the syrian airspace when a russian surveillance plane was mistakenly by syrian air defenses. president presided over the security council i'm sure that's going to be the most watched security council meeting ever a lot of good things going. on to some patients grows over donald trump's speech at the u.n. general assembly on chiefs a good sign i'm hoping the president.