please. trust it's crucial states of it seem to mean yorkers. just for a little. child's seemed wrong but old roles just don't hold. any old belief yet to shape out just because the educated and in the game equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground.

hello and welcome to cross talk where off means are considered i'm peter lavelle one of the most important if not the most important pillars of western society is the rule of law and the equal application of the law this is now being put into doubt we are told now it is the court of credibility that rules whatever that means is the kavanah nomination a game changer. crosstalk in the rule of law i'm joined by my guests jason nichols in washington he's a progressive commentator and we the women in this case it kept it all it's a competition we have a couple of women who says thirty some odd years ago while in high school teenage

boys were acting like teenage boys and girls girls but we have dozens of women for the last three decades of known judge brett kavanaugh who said if i'm a man it's a good man and i've always been treated well i have and then we have additional women outnumber in the number who say that he committed some sort of sexual act who say he was never there or they never saw that behavior during that time so which women do we believe do we believe the ones that that our political narrative which are women see or do we believe the ones that what seems to me it be the truth which are numerous it to me the whole ization in the vision of the united states at this point in our history is chilling and it's an existential threat to our future because we're not interested in the truth any longer we're interested in supporting what we already feel and finding facts to delude ourselves into believing that that someone we don't like or don't. somehow. this is this is very very structurally

this. future and this whole issue with this thing you know it seems to me that bret common knowledge is being made into every man he represents all men and i thought you know after everything over the last you know since the civil rights movement to the present i thought we were all treated as individuals and not part of a tribe or a clan and it seems to me that this is what this is all about it's not about him it's about politics and and making sure that this president cannot fulfill his duties as president i mean we you know look at all of the nomination process is over the last thirty years or so it's very partisan the president gets the person in that he wants ok but not this time it would seem gina to him yeah you know the regressive left has trivialized individual rights that are numerated

in our constitution and there's a purpose for that they are interested in socializing our government they are interested in dismantling what is a constitution based on negative rights that's rights free from the imposition of government and all the while acting in fascist ways while calling the right fascists it's absolutely amusing but if i if i were just being very partisan right now i would say keep it up because middle america is watching this i don't expect the leftist elites on the coasts to see what they're doing to their own party but if you look at the fundraising of the left is completely off it literally almost insolvent while the republicans are setting records this quarter i really think that if they continue down this course of trying to name the right as the insane ones and this president as the same one while he's acted so levelheaded while having die. and thrown at him virtually all day every single day and i really think

that they are showing something about themselves to middle america and the middle america may not talk about it but i promise you this middle america will vote about it that's what we saw in twenty sixteen that's what was seen the twenty times as well in the interest of saving time i won't ask jason a question i'll let him react to what he's heard go ahead jason. well there's a lot there number one in terms of the president being able to have a duty to to put people on the court mare garland was given that opportunity and republicans block there which actually was a very progressive for our constitution the other thing that i would say in response to brian is that if one person is nice to sixty five women but assaults one that doesn't take away from the from the one woman he assaulted and that is and i think it's offensive to say that sexual assault is somehow teenage. thing that boys go through i was

a teenager i never sexually assaulted anybody so i don't know that. it is this idea of the whole that all of that she was going on the whole i'm like jane i think this is my point i did miss my point it's two against one jason go ahead. you know and that's and the last thing i will say is when we're talking about voting number one if you look at things like texas which may flip better o'rorke has out fundraise the republicans we've seen this all over the country that the house is going to flip you're going to see a blue wave and also you're seeing a lot of more a lot more women running for office and we're going to see women are going to turn because they see how the republicans have treated i and i want to talk about the elections guys i want to say on the cavanagh case in the rules brian go ahead in atlanta yeah i want to chime in on that because all of a sudden you're i feel like i'm in two thousand and sixteen around september we heard all the same arguments about flip being in trouble and i'm just going to lose you know we've got to win that that's the same narrative and it's been going on the

last three years that democrats seem to have not gotten yet i do want to add to this whole discussion about women here first of all when teenagers are rather hard drinking under age which i presume is at least in part what was being accused of cavanaugh and dr who are i took the time to explain all this to my nine year old daughter and i said when you're a teenager and you're at a party it's not right for a guy to sexually assault you but i'll tell you what it is right for you to leave a party where there is underage drinking or inappropriate drinking there is accountability in all of this was done after all but iranian women who are about to run out ground to destroy someone thirty some odd years later we don't want to have a discussion in this country not on that run about it out of realty but we should ok are right i gina let me go to go to that as a kind of a guy friend brian there but i had gina go ahead and west palm beach go ahead yeah i was going to say kind of to my friend brian there for givin it held try old

fashioned try there but we can't expect the regressive left to care about the rule of law when it concerns teenage drinking if we do if they don't care about the rule of law when it concerns an invasion of our country. from illegals and the their right of individuals to be innocent until proven guilty and if they don't care about that brand they're not going to care about underage drinking well let me not to be out there and he said it was let me tell you. let me stay with you before we go to the break jason we go to gina before we go to the break you do you do you want the f.b.i. to be investigating keg parties is out what the f.b.i. is supposed to be doing. and i don't think anyone said anything about the f.b.i. here but i know that i think it would be good if we could at least respect the rule of law and not ridicule when someone like brian says you know hey maybe if you're a girl you shouldn't be out doing this you know if nothing justifies any kind of sexual assault i think with really very careful they're green but we're not even

talking about sexual assault this woman what is known as largely white house and you were neither can the other woman and by the way and by the way i'm a woman and that doesn't give me any more credibility to talk about this than it does any of the three of you and by the way i have daughters and i have sons and i'm not just concerned about my daughter's not you know being stuck in some bad situation someday i'm worried about my sons being accused of everything they did very good point and losing the right you know her jumping that's what's wrong i have to jump in here we have to go to a hard break after our break we'll continue our discussion on the rule of law state with our to. talk to imagine decades after the war the nazi don't it was still active. in the nineteen seventies crittle had as the chair of its board

a man convicted of mass murder and slavery and auschwitz a german company going to develop so the demise of a drug that was promoted as completely safe haven drink bring them sick. terrible side effects what has happened to my baby anything. you know she said is just. an exhibit among victims of to this day they received no compensation they never apologized for the suffering their not only want the money i want the revenge. i forget to try to game it's all about speed look at goldman sachs to figure out a way to go backwards in time and still money from trades in the history they would do it but the second best option is to just increase the speed in the here and now to steal it or much rapid.

and that it. had to get that. and that to the money that one of my leave the. syndicate and i think i can that is out there it is i'm up to a mile out of there and i think after. a lot about how the now there are only so far as i'm a point i don't get to. see

been out of them out so out of town a lot of people. will filiation background does have substance here i mean this looks like just slow walking this to make sure the judge kavanaugh doesn't. his day in the court of public appearing appearance and it's all it's all just a smear against him because jason says there should be an investigation where's the house what's the address what was the date and what do you want the f.b.i. to do go ahead in atlanta brian you know let's remember the duke lacrosse team and the prosecutor yet longer has a license those kids those boys were victims they were accused of something that later was determined didn't appen and we take this and try to judge a man from thirty plus years ago that's the problem if these accusations were three years ago or five years ago or ten years ago they certainly are carry more rapidly in my mind but not only have they been sitting in a box for three decades they were sitting on dianne feinstein's desperate three

months waiting for political timing sexual assault allegations are not political timing they are reporting at the time they happened for prosecution to thirty plus years later to me is irrelevant i operate on its you and your rule if the allegation is over ten years old i judge the man or the woman of the last ten years not what someone says they air quotes fifteen twenty forty years ago i'm sorry i don't care i care about sexual assault i have a daughter instead and i was just miss account after the break by jason i said i spoke to my daughter about this and if she's ever at a party under-age drinking is a current to lead because bad things happen that doesn't make it her all that means i'm preparing her to not be sexually assaulted it's called accountability on both sides not to let knows nothing of that ok gina you know that the one thing that

really drives me up the wall is this whole politics of victimization you know and i would say in all of this the rhetoric is also made kavanah a victim we will probably. never ever know if anything ever happened but we have in the public sphere right now in parent that equally in kavanagh's file he was accused of this of these potential crimes here but again that is not the rule of law that is smearing people and i think this is one of the things that really bothers me because it is so polarized the country and i think it hurts relations be. men and women should have i mean there is this heightened sense of a chilling effect as it were here that you can to be accused of something going all the way back to high school when i think most of us i'm probably the oldest one here i don't remember much about high school go ahead gina. i think if you make

a great point i in fact just finished a whole book on this shameless plug it's called mad politics but what i'm talking about in the book is the fact that the left is fine with tribal izing us they don't mind that at all because that's where they get their money and power if they can break us down a little groups and make us all angry and afraid of one another then they can control us and this isn't an american phenomenon this isn't a present day phenomenon this is something that leftists progressive's and totalitarians have done throughout world history so there's no reason why when they're admitting now that they're socialists we should be surprised that they're continuing to try to parse us up into little groups but you look at the movement right now most of my formerly democrat friends who are women think this is the most ridiculous thing they've ever witnessed and the democrats have exposed themselves in ways i know they didn't mean to in this and i would ask your guest jason you know he keeps saying that she should be heard that there should be an investigation

as you pointed out and thank you for that there have been six f.b.i. investigations and this is actually out of their jurisdiction because you can't investigate a crime you don't have a person place or thing to investigate but i want to ask jason and this is my distinct question to him and i really want to go to the interviews that i won or less if this is why or why not it was the lead and why do you know. we. asked jackson a question jeanne and ask you a question please go right go ahead of us want to know why we should investigate this white based on what evidence because i know of zero evidence other than somebody making an accusation which could happen to you tomorrow and there was no police report. so there is some evidence of this number one. dr ford actually took a polygraph test and passed she told her psychologist that's on record i mean in

two thousand and twelve so these are all things these are all things that i think warrant an investigation into these crimes and as a matter of fact there are other claims that are coming out you named it i think we should at least investigate and again hold on you're asking a question i'll answer if you don't want release the polygraph test if you know there's any else they said. you want to have your own going to lie because she probably wasn't asked pertinent questions so you're not you're not you don't want me to answer your question probably you're going to answer your own quite ok i'm going to jump in and i probably have told me the only person liar as i'm probably the only person here that as actually taken a polygraph test ok it's not what you think it is it's it's a it's not it's not a lie detector it's a truth detector and it's all about the questions yes ask ok depending on what you want to get up no wonder it's inadmissible in a court ok and jason i have to say to you that most prosecutors and i mean most of these people to congress talking about this issue have

a legal background i mean they really wasted a lot of money at yale and princeton if they can't get the simple principles of the rule of law together no prosecutor would go to court over these it's hearsay he said she said there's no evidence no forensic evidence here no one would take it to trial but you want to take it to trial in public but that's what it is this is a book opinion trial peter that's what it is go ahead jason. right peter but this is not a criminal trial like i said judge kavanagh is not a risk of criminal prosecution that's not what this is about this is about his fitness to serve on the supreme court of the united states so that's what this is about and i think i know i wouldn't want someone who was sexually assaulted several people to be or even one person to be on the supreme court that's what this is less i mean there you. go again so you're assuming it's true ok i think

a lot of people watching this program would like to know what i didn't make that assumption and unfortunately jason we never know what that truth is for the many reasons i've already mentioned on this program brian wants a jump in atlanta go ahead when we want to last thirty years of his life a good record a cleaner he might agree with this is positions in the judiciary but he's got a good record for thirty years guy let's assume for a second he made a mistake something happened he has a he had a criminal activity when he was a teenager this any can never recover and be an integrated successful meaningful person in american society that means all of us know and qualified for anything anymore we can't destroy each other on this is what we bring up a point about something from the timeline that jason just mentioned back in two thousand and twelve mitt romney mentioned judge kavanagh as a potential nominee for the supreme court were elected as president it was twenty twelve when we can all cues are doctors who are rather went to the psychologist the

irony of that is rather eerie was a result of his name being mentioned publicly or likely the left bringing someone to the surface that they could concoct and produce a story that could block him potential conservative nominee for romney and they kept this under file for many years and now it's come out in his book and so i'm going to give i have. lived this more than they're willing to admit thirty seconds left jason. go ahead so i just wanted to say number one we've seen the right often times you know they're contradicting themselves number one we've seen one need a broader rick brought out many times and that was maybe forty five years ago. and people are still talking about it and i believe juanita broaddrick. every right to talk about what happened to her and what brought her out into the into the for was the fact that she saw this man becoming president it's the same thing here when you

see somebody rising and rising and you see them more in the public eye yes i can use and we had to have this in but have to jump in jason we've run out of time to him but sure bill clinton was guilty of sexual assault that's all the time we have many many thanks and i guess in watching in atlanta and in west palm beach and thanks to our viewers for watching us here to see you next time and remember crosstalk.