in that case you case center parcs would be a great idea i would support a center party hypothetically and scotland the night of the tory party in birmingham back in the politics of the one nine hundred eighty s. and ninety's which i believe a member of course but alex is very much a part of one movement dominated in divided the country the prime minister margaret thatcher but then the second best known politician with the public more famous even than the leader of the opposition was a minister for health educator carty although a huge admirer of market factor edwina still stood firmly on the pro european side and the tory splits of the one nine hundred ninety s. her ministerial career was cut short by raging controversy from an unexpected direction salmonella in a production but her public role then blossomed into a big three do on television once described as the woman with a brass neck a silver tongue and a cordon paid to ever live lives we know how some typically straight talking for those who seek to head it to the twenty crying from two b.'s and me alex caught up

with her and her dog a sure home. where the real cuddly. in the one thousand eighty's and ninety's you will the second best known politician in the country and the second best known woman poultice in the country second only to margaret thatcher the let's see a young lad with the color who was going to the conservative cause of the sun bombing of a city you know very well. what speech would you be making a boat about europe this week what would you be saying to the party. at the speech i was making there was about police. system margin you were speaking about your march twenty ninth we are officially out of the e.u. and i don't think there's any going back on that and i'm hopeful and now i'm optimistic that in fact the trade deals we do with the rest of the world will be very very successful europe itself has turned out quite protectionist so you have

pre-trained within the four hundred million but you haven't got much in the way every trade with the outside world doesn't stop germany doing lots of deals of term it doesn't stop us doing lots of deals with china but we are much more likely to do all of this and to be upfront about it you know better to have and i wish to show the. law told me a few weeks ago when the show is so overwhelmed with all these new deals he says you don't give up the ones you've got or you're doing them is not the logic of the of course there's a bit of a logic in there and i do wish you'd go and tell people brussels alex with your powers of persuasion you would make a cracking good job i want you to pin michel barnier to the wall and saying a best cottage broke whatever is the local dialect that is being an idiot because what he's doing is disadvantage in the rest of europe who has a french goal was stirred by by german speaking it opened them to the wall of march as well as i remember friends go is that this whole argument you lived through as

a parliamentarian that the mastic debates as i did tearing the conservative government apart in the one nine hundred ninety s. do you see the same thing happening again with the reason is government do you see the same extraordinary but on this and division over over you it's a strange world to be in i went to a lunch that very smart addressed not long ago a conservative lunch. and i asked him which do you think was the worst outcome about bracks it or gemma coburn as prime minister now for most tories it has to be jeremy corbyn this prime minister because as margaret made it quite clear we fight socialism we fight the whole economic can flossie offical regime and take up went on and on about bracks it and i thought to myself. i think you lost the plot make

sure you would argue well it was his sense of history will we but to the norman conquest and the speeches that judge on the carbon premiership would be a passing phase with us breaks that as he would think as for other well i think we're going to have to do is interview him and find out exactly what you're pretty say alexei javid. he comes from a very successful family father was a bus driver brought up for successful sons a texan doing. a lot like the way he's approach being home secretary where he's some support through a lot of the deadwood and taken decisions very very quickly to things like when russians are. unlike some of the next layer people and i think there have been treated terribly well by as well would for example who was a defenseman shipments of state level. when the vacancy came up for secretary of

state for defense it should simply been promoted but that idea that williamson put himself in the job. he knows the man with a trench will i knows less about defense than i did. very important quality i'm in politics at the conservative party always been very good at is kind of shrewd pragmatism as you look at the world as it is you know what your philosophy and your principles are and mention the more about freedom and responsibility and this fear of being controlled by the states who have the state maybe and you think how you're going to get the best prosperity for your people the most most reliable and sustainable future life i can't see a socialist government led by corbin be able to do that i can see a conservative government being able to do that probably not one run by jack bruce small but how would you leave the law and the tory party the slow what would your approach be to the the costumes. m.p. anybody really wants to take over trying to negotiate with brussels not really what

boris and a couple of the others are trying to do is stir it so that as and when she retires then they will be. well placed with the active membership of the conservative party have a clue to inherit the kingdom they may get a nasty surprise because the tories are no fools and people who've been members of the party for a long time like i have have seen leaders come and go i think what we'd like is someone as strong as margaret but perhaps principled as margaret. barr's doesn't cut it for me because there's one thing it be pretty sure of and i think max hastings nailed him pretty well he's a man without principle is member of a party of one and he wants to be prime minister drooling christly was a very early day. conservative m.p. and a lady maintains he once wrote that you hired this he put

a brass mic a silver tongue and a golden pail the which of these are to be served you best as a as a woman in politics about that as a compliment there i love it. breast neck was the first in the sense that i come from liverpool i'm scouser used to talk like that you know. was lucky enough to go to vary all fashion city grammar school that been set up many years century or so before and from there was able to in scholarship to oxford so i benefited from meritocracy and then you get to union you look around at all these people have these wonderful privileges and you think that i'm smart as you are and you start to learn how to use the skills that they're great public schools have taught them how to speak in public how to write. you know i went to the kind of school we had to do an essay three times a week but nonetheless to be able to write for a newspaper to be able to write

a column to be able to write your own speeches and so on to different star and you start looking at them and learning how to do it. and those opportunities really then present themselves to to as an m.p. but they also enable you to get into that situation. to elevate shooter to health minister pretty quickly. for the reasons the said but also of of the reasons you didn't see which were a talented politician and she left a blister and you pursue a vigorous agendas health minister a level of a golf than the in the egg scandal mode the brass neck was essential to get through that bill any than your resignation but if and when you speak to people know if you save me with a collie this is covering their exams or make some reference that very few political controversies have lasted what length of time or could i say first of all

that being a health minister under margaret was. a wonderful experience because she was actually a radical prime minister if you could convince or something she would say go for it and she'd give the opportunities and the finances and where will get things happening she would fire questions. you need to have the figures you have to have everything written on the inside of your forehead stood like it if you were shuffling the papers she would fire a question you had to have an answer it was wrong alex you could write her afterward and say well i said fifty five million but is that she fifty six minutes should be fine with that but you couldn't sat down. and remember coming out of one of those meetings and kind of leaning case the georgia woman or my fish was saying you're right minister as in i'm fine i'm fine i'm fine i'm just some third degree now i know what an egyptian mummy felt like as they drew out its brain through its nostrils with pincers she was like that you empty your head of everything and when they had think came up it was a bit of a surprise because she had been

a scientist and she could have read the reports like i did and she could have been aware that we had an epidemic of food poisoning and it wasn't it wasn't normal funny stuff it was very nice it quite variance between people in hospital every kidney dialysis machine in the country was in years and we were getting messages from the public health a barge service saying you've got a problem there's an epidemic and it's been traced to a new strain and aches you know the public health minister what do you do we knew that you could have an affair affected laying hands which might produce occasional infected eggs the problem was you couldn't tell they didn't smell or anything they didn't go off in the fridge but if you mix them into a cake mix. the cake to be fine and the cake mix put you in hospital we did our utmost to persuade the ministry of culture fisheries our food math to do something

about math and it was full of our most. and civil servants who thought their job was to be the trade unionists for farmers and there's some bad practice going on and if you think about it alex that kind of attitude in math led to b.s.e. soon after which costs billions. in blair days it led to foot and mouth disease which also cost billions having sooner or later the scientists have to be given some respect in two thousand and one when the secret government report was eventually saw the light of day and said yes actually the war's endemic we're from production doesn't mean the majority of eggs but when the production systems are manila you would no longer than the in the commons there was a feeling of vindication it's something now that i feel quietly proud of i don't think i was wrong back in one nine hundred eighty eight thirty years ago.

and i'm pleased that we now have really plain food it's now safe enough for nursing mothers people whose mere immune systems are compromised people on cancer treatment they can eat x. they can eat them safely and they couldn't then and i'm pleased with that i watched . a video of a little else will you have to park it where your silver tongue was very much and eleven which in your lovely speech humorous you you won over the the student body but you want the overturn argument which you wouldn't expect to find much sympathy you were arguing that we're not all feminists low when it comes to feminism. a lot of modern feminism the stuff that i heard ram it was all about how we women were being held back because you men were stopping us and i'd look around and think them stopping me what's stopping us is being willing to try being willing to have a go having a look at the system and seeing how successful people succeed so in that sense

nobody was holding me back and it wasn't a man and your set destroy the music market shared by just being better than those people and she used to say if if the prejudice against women means that we have to be better than the men it's fine and then she could go and say that's easy i don't believe in equality under the law which is why i campaign for gay rights i am a believer in equality of opportunity which is why i want our schools beers good as they possibly can be. but i'm not really believe in equality of outcome because that come in the end depends on how much hard work into basic talents how much ambition you have how much you're prepared to put yourself and i don't believe that we should level down things in such a way that those that work harder only get the same as those who don't work.

with nor make manufacture consent to public wealth. when the ruling class is protect themselves. the final. one percent. nor middle of the room. welcome back after the political cut and thrust of the brass neck and the silver

tongue that we nurse turn into hugely successful writing career the golden pen she said she prefers writing fiction to enable have to tell the truth but when she published the foster edition of our diaries of two thousand and three she caused one almighty stuck by the feeling the truth about her relationship with former prime minister john major but first i asked her about her work as a constituency member of parliament for barbershop when dad was a sofa all these years ago while looking at me like ali the twenty first constituency you went to said this isn't my of margaret thatcher but she's cool for europe this is a proponent of equality and gay rights which you were but she's not a feminist. how do you think we live jobs as young woman who is coming forward but one thing for the d.c.u. there's this kaleidoscope of attitudes when you get into a constituency as well you realize very quickly that your your eighty thousand

constituents are not clones of you so you can have to represent people why a variety of opinions and ideas and to be well advised to genuinely do what politicians say they do but they don't just go in there and listen and so for the mining i was asked if i could go into the mine as well there and which was a club such a club and just sit down and get it was obvious the pits were closing and people were saying to me we're digging dirt down there and it dangerous you were job was to get a summit else to do so that's when we were casting around for alternatives and up pops toyota why would toyota come to darbyshire they wanted to be within the e.u. boundary because of quite a lot of exclusions for cas coming in from outside they wanted to be in an area where nobody had ever made a car before because of the record of strikes in the car industry in britain they

wanted two hundred fifty acres a clean flat land with all services laid on and we had a an old airfield while the members were darvish realize home porton the single market would be total do you know the problem alex is trying to get somebody like toyota before a vote stanley i'm saying this matters for us. they didn't and the same is true for before the referendum on bill or the reference before the referendum business kept its head down. partly i think because the bill sammon told them was going to be all right because the poll said it was going to be all right i mean really for draws and so they had on hand it was going to skill that never trusted and never trust a politician even when they're in government nobody can ever predict the future with lew to the but arsenic to do good stead in politics with luther the sober tongue puts got your some scripts and the get your of some of those other the golden penn look at when you started the rating career really when you were still

a member of parliament but there but for this stuff the lines are like the idea of being able to put ideas into fiction because you can tell the truth and fiction you know if you're writing a history or a biography or an autobiography you have to check with the lives of lawyers and stuff gets taken out by a better to write about dead people well you're better to write a story like sell you try one of these days have regretted as an early church or read a novel to be honest i thought i was going to lose my six and didn't hang on to a four thousand majority and sat down with my agent who said what are you going to do now i said what do you think i should write a biography of margaret thatcher something like that auntie said there are been reading your short stories you're ready to write a novel. what would i write a novel about. when you know you tell us the stories about what the boys and westminster up to when their wives think they're in london and the whips think they're in the constituencies and i said rather snootily well some of us don't have

wives some of her husbands she said that's your novel and i went to and i had characters called a.b.c. d.n.a. and each of them had a crisis in his life if i remember right if four were m.p.'s and one wanted to be an m.p. about thirty five thousand words one been right one oh you know the jimmy thought thing where the person that you've met arrives and says hello i'm here and you think oh no no no that's a last place i need you one went home and find her husband in bed with the neighbor which actually happened to one of our parliamentary counter comics and i said five thousand words or a bit lively as you say and they just kind of picked himself up from the flow and said my god i think we'll auction this. and it sold quarter million copies and help really get me cracking on a new life annexing on up to six and parliament has been banished behind me how do

you find the move to broadcast the radio to television that was that just the extension of politics or require more discretion i found one radio suited me hugely especially radio five who i work for quite a lot because it's live the phone lines are always open if people don't agree they can call in you listen respectfully to what they say and then you explain why they may or may not be right. you very seldom have the whole thing to yourself but by golly it makes the brain work and you're brought up against people who know more about some aspect of the topic than you do t.v. is harder because of cameras everywhere and what you look like matters and it it shouldn't instinctively i think that the way you look is not something of which you have that much control especially get older but that that doesn't affect how they do their job so i would rather be on radio than on t.v.

most of the time on the other hand i mean you yourself special i couldn't say no to you what. was the problem. you then publish or die you're for submission of your diaries and two thousand and three which caused a sensation because you revealed the fear with john major than the one nine hundred eighty s. point to say to the people looking but no it's about offer after fifteen years you're telling all. and would you do the same thing again if you if you had your time again or do you think you were right to say we've it's very hard to say were you do the same again because hindsight can be very useful that's not available time what have got me really annoyed was john had written a memoir published in one teen ninety nine i think a i wasn't in it at all and b it was all

a whitewash about how it was everybody else's fault that the ninety two to ninety seven government or for the part. and this just wasn't it wasn't true and i was particularly in sense because we'd had all the stuff at the party conference and ninety four about back to basics and family values. anybody in leadership should be very wary of suggesting that we're all perfect members of parliament are human beings they have the same human failings as everybody else relationship between john major me wasn't in the power play of any kind as one of the course but i felt that his view that it was it was always somebody else's fault back to basics was him talking about family values with him and of all people he should have no don't go there don't go there by all means be anxious and worried about your colleagues if they're fiddling their expenses. be

anxious and worried about them if they're taking money for putting down parliament to question that corrupt but their personal behavior should be on of your business . and you know that more than anybody. john major the fans i think is a little sad that the mission of you from is is memoirs was was their list of who did it and secondly you saw the back to basics wasn't meant to be a bit past the hour what it was like you know going back to school lending the free garzon and having toilets and water ways of a you know it was our thing and here we are in the one nine hundred ninety s. we're moving towards a more open a more accepting society in so many ways blair latched onto it very very quickly. we should not be saying we have the virtue you should vote for us because not the other people are going to look at us and say oh well let's just go back through the notebook and just check out how much virtue you really got and then case that's what we should become pay campaigning on campaigning on competence should be

campaigning on how you run the country how you run the economy. john did not turn out to be the prime minister that we had expected when we encouraged him and promoted him and pushed in the one nine hundred ninety and he successfully won that election he turned out to be a very weak prime minister and anybody that lets the editor cut stuff out. is weak ricers well let me be absolutely fair because i'm not hostile at all what john was able to do and should have credit for was actually starting the whole process in northern ireland slowly slowly got to store piece michael foot one so that they would steal the gone from boy wonder of the elder statesmen of the intervening period whatsoever but in your elder states woman period you haven't lost any of your your attitude life or your or your or all of the the silver tongue of the of the golden pencil who think. color has got to contribute politically or as

a mailing political and business or a style you would like to a mark you'd like to leave in politics you've still got a speech you've still got to make is that a book you've still got a rape wherever you are in life you can make a contribution to society unissued and you can make a living you can make something of way you are and you can you can enjoy it so i now nearly seventy to my husband seventy seven these have three different accounts and we are lucky i'm blessed that he's still with us and so they are customers i married a very long time. and. what i would like to do now and what i do now is sometimes be the voice of older people we have fifteen million retired people in this country most of whom are causing no trouble at all paying their way most

taxpayers they have been savers they own their properties they've never been in trouble in their lives and they are enjoying life they are the volunteers who run the w.i. or the churches the political parties there are the people you find running community centers systems of our everything everything you can do you can have retired people what's the image of retired people. that we are running up beds in the n.h.s. that we are holding on to assets that young people want. a lot of that is simply not fair and i will stick up for older people people like myself and enjoy doing it. as it were beige as you can see and. we're driving electric car and we have solar panels on the roof and i meant twitter and facebook and all the rest of it and i'm typical. so you speak for the plain people of it all well last time i tried doing something like this i was part of

a little group that went to harangue at the head of b.b.c. one about how few positive images of older people that were on t.v. were are the seen as a joke or worse in an aspect about annexing on air my agent phoned me and says you're on strictly come dancing they're going to have more old people on it a bit of the secret of a thermal life. and it's not just the set cause we place a lot this is a quicker scots gullit for loving cup so you put the whisky on the scots and the quick and then the less does very very easy indeed thank you so much for being a low it's old that's left with thank you very much indeed that nice. always best drink you have to supply the whiskey we have it.

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