very closely with the iranian counterpart with the sort of with the syrian counterparts both to some extent with their new counterparts as well and they have their own real so i think that these shades of opinions are important and they can be explained but let me tell you that indeed it's not just about the recent incident though of course it is a tragedy and you know we should be sort of that such things can still happen but the situation in syria is changing for example. in iran the use of much much better intention in syria than it was two years ago and of course it is a concern for you if we take the containment of iran as israel's main objective in syria one could argue that russia has been a very very helpful partner to israel in that regard why would it then and risk

this strategic accommodation it has achieved in moscow for the sake of arguably one tactical operation then you positional for me is just one element of the change in the other very important element is a very different position which makes is it a more confident you for your member of the position of the obama administration the administration was also trying to become a kind of a broker in the region they were builds of relations with iran they were really critical of israel personal relations between president barack obama and. and these are live in leader we're not really good to put it monthly when there is no the united states. stands by israel and many observers even go as far as to say that the united states a looks at the situation in the region through the not and jaco lens of course that makes. these are more confident if not more arrogant and they would like to make

full use of these new york between the two to advance their positions and to change maybe not as it could but to change the two rooms of the gentleman the commitment that they reached to you so this is a known radical change but the death of fifteen servicemen almost like if we assume that israel did that deliberately to sort of put the russian plane in the line of the fire. israel always makes a point that they devalues the lives of its servicemen and bob all out don't you think that it would not have calculated that from moscow to that would be an extremely sensitive point world my personal reading and my guess here as he's as good as yours i don't claim to have any insider information both of these incidents but i think that one can imagine that israelis hoped that the fact that

there was. in. their current or in this current could or should. prevent syrians from you know utilize and differences can they can i see that one because i've seen some articles in the russian media for example know by guys at the suggesting that all these talk about israel is just enough for it to cover out for the negligence and incompetence of the russian military personnel on the ground which ultimately allowed these to happen that's a very harsh claim but do you think politically moscow could have consciously taken i risk on its relationship with israel even to explain away such a tragic. event well you know first of all to the best of my knowledge the defense systems. and the drone to the russian aircraft were not served by the russians.

but there is inside syria on the ground and they are how being syrian he may already know that our strike has its own defense systems which are much more sophisticated and which are not. which are not under the control of the syrian military so what we are talking about is there are. no end to create a defense system as two hundred. louis fully controlled by the syrian army so even if we talk about negligence or low professionalism i think it's not really fear to blame there are military we then we should blame the syrian military for what they have done or what they have not done properly however let me say that in my personal view it would be very ordered to see not on yahoo. putin's he's relations with president putin into jersey just in order to shoot

a couple of targets in syria because of course in the tiny yahoo new abode the very emotional reaction of president putin to the incident was turkey so i was suggesting that it is perhaps the israeli military acting approach and it's only without their product in tears for knowledge so well you know i think there was one or you know some kind of news and but i here in this particular case i agree with president putin i think it was a chain or miscalculations and tragic coincidence i don't think that any want to planned it and it was a deliberate provocation in my opinion that's a little bit too far and i don't think that these are all it. would go for that given all the of the six that he had to confront and even even now you

take the you know the recent russian decision to supply. the hundreds to syria does it also change and to some extent the situation of the ground and definitely to the detriment of the ability or israelis to heed targets in syria with impunity speaking about that decision obviously israel has long objected to do you think there is still a role for mutual accommodation now that the decision has been taken i mean in the way it is implemented can russia still kind of make it up to israel well first of all we should keep in mind that. responded. with more serious matters or example many speculated including some experts in the zero. would try to enforce a no fly zone. to the north of damascus depriving israelis from your but you need to do he targets in syria and you would have been

a very very difficult situation for israelis because on the one hand it is hard for them just to reject the idea of forgiveness and wrong so some would argue that some of the measures proposed by russia are sort of going in that direction but let's stay on ass three hundred four for the moment the reason why i ask you this question is because. you know there is some obscurity on the part of the crumlin when it comes to the details of that transfer that i don't think was going to operate the systems that i was saying and whether the syrians are going to pay for that do you think there is still a possibility that this move is temporary and that the russians will take it back when they when they leave syria and if so would that satisfy israel well first of all or the thing that in politics everything is possible. and it's clear that russia had to respond i'm sure that it is or this were warned about this decision and. i think that there are many modalities in the implementation

of these decisions and the modalities will depend to a large extent and on some commitments that israel might or might not meet in terms of its future activities on the territory of syria but let me tell you that with all the problems it was standard in the cells of west an agreement used to work in. american sometimes complain they say that you know russians be used to this agreement that they let syrian porsches to get directly to the golan heights but you know the agreement is too low predation so it does i think it is it suggests that there is always serve room for compromise and it's important that neither side loses fees now you mentioned before that perhaps israel was a little bit emboldened by the trump and miss ration and tried to change the rules of the game some of your colleagues western colleagues allege that it is put and

who is acting a porch mystically and using this tragedy to. change the rules of engagement in syria and cut off israel's overflights and strikes in that country do you agree with that and how much of an irritant has israel been to russia in that country. well i'm not sure that i can buy this position in the list for hours because what we see today in syria he's that the intensity and the geography all israel is trying. to expand so israel that he's he targets not just in the south west of syria but basically. he'd congress' power to go all the territory of syria and it's not just about the wars that might supply as a bowler it's about military production facilities so israelis change and at least

it's tactics i don't think that. is trying to. destroy. i don't think but they believe here and bob bashara they care about iran and i think that the position of syria sort of the position of israel is defined primarily by the new tensions between the united states and iran i think this is the real problem you know we have to find some kind of accommodation a and i think that unfortunately many in israel and in the united states i seem to fear annoyed about iran and its intentions well mr carson up we have to take a very short break now but when we're back in just a few moments stay tuned. kind

that this guy like he. had to get that dial. and that to the money at that one the money the. did it kind of thing. that is out there it is how much i think after. a lot about how the now rolling so i am somewhat but i don't get to.

see them out of them out so out of a lot of i'm up a mob of people who got. out of my depth and i could see that as i asked by the way to really i'm not so. good that they do. things about the truth so yeah i'm after. all if you film one little. and he. joined me every flows on the alex song i'm sure when i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sport this list i'm sure. i'll

see you that. welcome back to worlds apart with anybody at the north director general of the russian international affairs council that's of course known just before the break you're mentioned iran and an interview with a senior advisor to iran's supreme leader just a few weeks ago and he got very very irritated by the regard to the subject of the russian is really arrangements in syria what do you expect to be rainy and to exploit these incident in our favor perhaps to drive the point that you know israel

could never be trusted or to saw discord between russia and the israeli and some other way. first i think that you do see a natural for anyone to make who use of this situation to look you know your claim to you go to deal with israel is no where you see these guys cannot be trusted to basically means to we should denounce our corporation and you should finally get to the right side of history. at the same time you know there are any i'm pleased many that any i'm sorry no. are quite rational minded people to understand that. come moment very considerably since it was easier or poor very different zones so they understand the limitations can i ask you actually about that as well because from what i understand the syrians and the iranians have their own game. in the loop at

least there are some rumors in moscow that damascus and tehran were really eager to go ahead with the labor offensive and it took some persuasion on the part of moscow to convince them not to if russia is seen as being too soft on israel don't you think about it may encourage more risk taking behavior from od their partners so to say. first of all need look let me tell you that at least. according to my sources in these particular cases we're quite cautious they've been all. to go into egypt so we were on the same side russians and iranians tried to somehow moderate. these plans of damascus and they were a success but this was dime being the organization is. is off the table hala now when now and again i think it's not over you are absolutely right and i'm concerned

about what might happen indeed live if turks failed to implement their government in full and frankly i don't see that we can implement the agreement in full within the time table that they have right now for this implementation but there is a separate story. saying that only one. would like to see a shift in. closer to the positions offered to her and damascus but on the other hand. they also hold that my lady ever all of a mediator and if you want to be a mediator you have to keep good relations with both sides so again you know i'm not sure that everybody believes that basically you know should drop its

current partnership with the ease of euro and if you don't think that russia is being soft towards israel may encourage iran to be a little bit more involved and how it talks to russia for example while you know into the corner. and the situation for indians is getting more and more difficult literally every month just sitting and they don't have a choice there are things that even you know would take the recent a terrorist attack in off across you know these mostly. populated sunni dominated to or here in your own it's a very serious case and there indians have already accused both gulf states and the united states of those or critical not only natural for them it's only natural but again. it's a really serious signal can i bring you back to the syrian. war theater because we

talked at length about these three hundred delivery but there is one more measure that the russians intend to take which may have an placation far beyond israel i'm talking about jamming satellite navigation on board the radar and communication system of all. the bob they need to see you said that you do not believe in the in the russian no fly zone but it actually looks quite like you. are well there are many ideas floating their own accord and they actually said that they are intent to proceed it's not just an idea that this is a plan of action this far as and is that well i think that. what we can say for sure is that tercel is not interested in further escalation. in the position on being bleeped is that it's sort of like to you know there's some tension i think that definitely in most what they would prefer to have some kind of

commendation with the united states. and. i think we should keep in mind that israel is important but turkey is also very important for our show and i don't. i will take any measures did you will for a job because there are some turkish corporation right now because if turkey's old all of the pros is if turkey is all out of the deal we have a problem i mean there are some syrians everybody has a problem so i think that. they might. make a case. of the my demonstrate that there are there was a variety of options and they can choose. whatever he's appropriate at a given moment but i think. it would be prudent to least i hope that it would be if

i can. take you back to these. seeming idea of the no fly zone over syria or at least the idea of jamming satellite communications there it is an open secret in moscow that russia has tried repeatedly to get israel to notify the bollard they have coming missions with a very limited success israel usually either fails to do that or doesn't do the very last minute do you think after that incident that's gone the change it's hard to tell because of course is there is a concern that even though to fire after it's well in advance. now russia is can lead this information someone who is very much trust is all about if you're going to be in the us well. in the case of syria. it's hard to talk about to post. both i think that. it would be difficult to right know or to restore between devotion military and these are really counterparts you know

judge and the statements coming from the russian ministry of defense. there are military. i don't think it's only rhetoric i think that it's more that after maybe there was some kind of seed of communications that means that they are likely to proceed with this intelligence job satellite communications which leads me to another question then because i interview a lot of current and former israeli officials and they all carry this narrative that israel can strike anywhere anytime when if security is involved which is you know montra geopolitical political and military i think it's almost a social mantra right now can that mantra be changed because of the russians because that's what actually the russians are pushing forward to this idea of jamming all satellite communications so i think that border russia can do. it. increases the costs. for these are real even is it all continues.

such behavior what extend i mean the one thing you know you know them denies there is but you know you thinking out their own their point it's very clear you know you for roger. is times for him as to be hunted to syria. and basically uses gives these systems to syria it's so these systems are not going to be controlled by russians i just that's how i read the decision it means. indeed. israeli planes can be grounded because these systems are arguably much more sophisticated the ones that syrians used to be so decor so for these strikes for israel will go that's why either of this will come so under both of these terms for now it's not just the israeli aircraft that's all trading in the syrian airspace

without the mended emerick and said there to do thing they will play along with this russian late new order. well of course no one who. formerly recognize their legitimacy or there are some decision they would say well you know we don't. feel that we have to abide by the decisions made by most or even by bashar assad and nobody read your article terms but in practical terms they will taken notice i think that would mean that. they will need. a different level of communications with the russians to avoid potential taxes because again nobody wants to the best of my knowledge nobody wants to see really were american aircraft their own didn't know borne nobody wants to see another crisis around it but russia wants to have an impact on these really behavior.

on the u.s. behavior and the other way around so it's a very delicate game and i think that both sides have. some courage on this leaves the can put on the table that it's an appropriate moment now president obama i'm sincere in policy was often criticized for. drawing red lies that he couldn't or wouldn't in force or rather lines that bad actors in the region and would be motivated to demonstrably break i wonder if russia indirectly is also trying to draw some sort of rad lines across the syrian air space that with that you know bad actors in the region or even its partners its adversaries maybe i'm motivated to contest openly you know was the key word in your question is indirectly and that makes a difference you know russia did not announce

a no fly zone. never stated that there is a particular rebel. but. responded in current by supplying damascus with the most sophisticated to a defense system i think this is their arson approach not to state something especially if it is very difficult to. to stand by the decision in indeed you know it was so it was with obama but even in these early you know when the israelis say that iranian presence in syria is an acceptable for one doesn't mean you know they had to have i'm not how i know they may go into you know to start a major ground offensive in suited to push out are they ready to start a real war well apparently not so you know sometimes you know these

lines are good for political or ethnic. they might be misleading the fare to the iranian presence in syria is a recognized by these or they don't like it they would like to be alt but they understand that these particular juncture it is not a goal is to expect us to his door. and i think the same could be applied to many other. situations within syria including themselves the west including believe including what's going on in the east of the throat. of many. regional situations we are. positions taken but all sides understand that there are limits and. there are the lines of they cannot girls mr carleton if we have to leave it there but i really really appreciate you being with us today thank you

thank you for inviting me thank you pandora shall be yours to keep this conversation going on our social media pages and i hope to sarah. same place same time here and while the part. of the war a nazi don't tell was still active. in the nineteen seventies cretonne had as the chair of its board a man convicted of mass murder and slavery at auschwitz a german company develops a little mind a drug that was promoted as completely safe even during pregnancy it turned out of

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