and of the director general of the russian international affairs council mr card enough it's good to talk to you thank you very much for your time thank you for inviting me now one of the reasons russia and israel of president putin the prime minister netanyahu have been getting along so well is because they both are hard core realists with very strong i would say unashamed focus on security and in good times that could lead to a better understanding but in bad times that could also provide a basis for a very sharp collision is the latter are likely. well i think that it is getting a little bit more difficult for our show to plea its traditional role in syria which is their role often known as broker. has always been proud of being able to preserve good relations with all the sides of the continent including shia and sunni including iran and gulf states including is a terrorism by the stadiums and i think specifically talking about two years ago

there was a gentleman agreement between russia and easier to. and did not want to interfere into the conflict between the user and iran and in exchange. made a commitment clearly an implicit commitment not to interfere into the civil war in syria now casts is on that say on that precise point of the gentleman's agreement because the russian military explicitly now blames israel for what happened in syria even though i think president putin tried to soften that the a little bit by calling it that chain of tragic events but the russian military actually alleges and tanned that these railings knew what they were doing doesn't mean that the dynamic between the two will have to change going forward because if they did it deliberately then that means that gentlemen the gentleman's agreement is definitely off well i think it is only natural to see the difference in

the. and forces made by the russian military and by the russian political leadership of course there are military are working very closely with the iranian counterpart with the sort of with the syrian counterparts both to some extent with the contrapositive as well and they have their own real so i think that these shades of opinions are important and they can be. explain but let me tell you that indeed it's not just about the recent incident though of course it is a tragedy and you know we should do sort of that such things can still happen but the situation in syria is changing so for example. in iran the use of much much better intention in syria that it was two years ago and of course it is

a concern for you if we take the containment of iran as israel's main objective in syria one could argue that russia has been a very very helpful partner to israel in that regard why would it done and risk this strategic accommodation it has achieved in moscow for the sake of arguably one tactical operation then you positional for is just one element of the change in the other very important element is a very different position which makes is it a more confident you for your member of the position of the obama administration the administration was also trying to become a kind of a broker in the region they were builds of relations with iran they were really critical of personal relations between president barack obama and. and these are live in leader we're not really good to put it monthly in the very no the united states. stands by israel and many observers even go as

far as to say that the united states a looks at the situation in the region through the not on yahoo lens of course that makes these are more confident if not more arrogant and they would like to make full use of these new opportunity to advance their positions and to change maybe not tragically but to change the terms of the gentleman the government. that they reached out to you said this is a known radical change but the death of fifteen servicemen almost like if we indeed assume that israel did that deliberately to sort of put the russian plane in the line of the fire. israel always makes a point that they devalues the lives of its servicemen and bob all out don't you think that it would not have calculated that from moscow to that would be an extremely sensitive point world my personal reading and to my guess here as he's as

good as yours i don't claim to have any insider information both of these incidents but i think that one can imagine that israelis hoped that the fact that there was. in. their current or in this current could or should to prevent syrians from you know you to license the differences can they can i see that one because i've seen some articles in the russian media for example know by guys at the suggesting that all these talk about israel just enough for it to cover out for the negligence and incompetence of the russian military personnel on the ground which ultimately allowed these to happen that's a very harsh claim but do you think politically moscow could have consciously taken a risk on its relationship with israel even to explain away such

a tragic. event well your first will to the best of my knowledge the defense systems. and that grown to the russian aircraft were not served by the russians but there is inside syria on the ground and they are helping the syrian there already you know with our story has its own defense systems which are much more sophisticated and we. are not under the control of the syrian military so want to talk to them. well it is there are. no end to create a defense system as two hundred. allergic really fully controlled by the syrian army so even if we talk about negligence or low professionalism i think it's not really fear to blame there are military we then we should blame the syrian military for what they have done or what they have not done

properly however let me say that in my personal view it would be very ordered to see not on ya know. putin he's relations with president putin into jersey just in order to shoot a couple of targets in syria because of course in the tiny yahoo new abode the very emotional reaction of president putin to the incident was turkey so i was suggesting that it is perhaps the israeli military acting approach and only read out their private interest for knowledge so well you know i think there was one or you know some kind of news and but here in this particular case i agree with president putin i think it was a chain or miscalculations and tragic coincidence i don't think that any want to planned it and it was a deliberate provocation in my opinion that's

a little bit too far and i don't think that these are the. would go for that he was the older of the six that he had to confront and even even now you take the you know the recent russian decision to supply. the hundreds to syria it is also changing to some extent the situation of the ground and definitely to the detriment of the ability of israelis to heed targets in syria with impunity speaking about that decision obviously israel has long objected to it do you think there is still a role for mutual accommodation now that the decision has been taken i mean in the way it is implemented can russia still kind of make it up to israel well first of all we should keep in mind that. responded. with more serious matters or example many speculated including some experts in israel. would

try to enforce a no fly zone. to the north of damascus depriving israeli from your but you need to do. he talked to us in syria and it would have been very very difficult situation for israelis because on the one hand it is hard for them just to reject the idea of forgive as your own son some would argue some of the measures proposed by russia are sort of going in that direction but let's stay on ass three hundred four for the moment the reason why i ask you this question is because. you know there is some obscurity on the part of the crumlin when it comes to the details of that transfer that i don't think was going to operate the systems that i was saying and whether the syrians are going to pay for that do you think there is still a possibility that this move is temporary and that the russians will take it back when the when they leave syria in the store would that satisfy israel well first of

all or the thing that in politics everything is possible. and it's clear that russia had to respond i'm sure that it is or this were warned about this decision and. i think that there are many modalities in the implementation of these decisions and the modalities will depend to logic stand on some commitments that israel might or might not meet in terms of its future activities on the territory of syria but let me tell you that with all the problems it was standing the souls of west an agreement used to work in. american sometimes complain they say that you know russians be used to this agreement that the legacy of imports is to get directly to the goal of cards but you know the agreement is too low predation so it does i think it is it suggests that there is always serve

room for compromise and it's important that neither side loses fees now you mentioned before that perhaps israel was a little bit emboldened by the trumpet in this ration and tried to change the rules of the game some of your colleagues western colleagues allege that it is put and who is acting a porch mystically and using this tragedy to. change the rules of engagement in syria caught off israel's overflights and strikes in that country do you agree with that and how much of an irritant has israel been to russia in that country. well i'm not sure that i can buy this position in the list for ours because of what we see today in syria he says that the intensity and the geography of israel is tribes. that is expanding so israel leads heaton targets not just in the south west of syria but basically.

heat cars parked to go all the territory of syria and it's not just about a particular corner wars that might supply as a bowler it's about military production facilities so israelis changing at least its tactics i don't think that is are as trying to somehow. destroyed. i don't think that they really cure bob barr. they care about iran and i think the position of syria sort of the position of israel is defined primarily by the new tensions between the united states and iran i think this is the real problem you know we have to find some kind of accommodation a and i think that unfortunately many in israel and in the united states are seem to paranoid about iran and its intentions well mr carson up we have to take

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you're mentioned iran and an interview with a senior advisor to iran's supreme leader just a few weeks ago and he got very very irritated by the way got to the subject of the russian israeli arrangements in syria what do you expect to be rainy and to exploit these incident in our favor perhaps to drive the point that you know israel could never be trusted or to saw discord between russia and the israeli and some other way. first i think that you do see a natural for anyone to make who use of this situation to look you know your claim to you go to deal with israel has no will you see these guys cannot be trusted to basically means to we should denounce our corporation and you should finally get to the right side of history and i think that at the same time you know there are any i'm pleased many or any i'm sorry no. quite rational minded people to understand

that. come not very good solutions because it is or hope for a very different sense so they understand the limitations can i ask you actually about that as well because from what i understand the syrians and the iranians have their own game. in at least there are some rumors and in moscow that damascus and tehran. are really eager to go ahead with the labor offensive and it took some persuasion on the part of moscow to convince them not to if russia is seen as being too soft on israel don't you think that it may encourage more risk taking behavior from other partners so to see. first of all need look let me tell you that at least. according to my sources in these particular cases we're quite coursers they've been on. to go into egypt so we were

on the same side and iranians tried to somehow moderate. these lands of damascus and they were a success but this was dime being the organization is. is off the table hala now from dolphin now and again i think it's not over you're absolutely right and i'm concerned about what might happen indeed live the turks failed to implement their government in full and frankly i don't see that we can implementing the agreement in full within the time table that they have right now for these implementation but there is a separate story. about iran saying that only one hand would like to see a shift in. closer to the positions offered to her and damascus

but on the other hand. they also hold that on my plate ever all of a mediator and even if you want to be a mediator you have to keep good relations with both sides so again you know i'm not sure that everybody believes that basically you know should drop its current partnership with the ease of it all and if you don't think that russia being soft towards israel may encourage iran to be a little bit more emboldened and how it talks to russia for example while you know into the corner. and the situation for indians is getting more and more difficult literally every month just sitting and they don't have a choice are things or even you know would take the recent a terrorist attack in off across you know these mostly. populated

sunni dominated to or here in your own it's a very serious case and there indians have already accused both gulf states and the united states of or clearly the real not only natural for them it's only natural but again. it's a really serious signal can i bring you back to the syrian. war theater because we talked at length about the three hundred delivery but there is one more measure that the russians intend to take which may have been placation far beyond israel i'm talking about jamming satellite navigation on board the radar and communication system of all. of them to hear and see you said that you do not believe in the in the russian no fly zone but it actually looks quite like you. are world there are many ideas floating their own accord and they actually said that they are intent to proceed it's not just an idea that this is a plan of action as far as and is that all eyes things that. what we can say for

sure is the person is not interested in the further escalation. and the position on being bleeped is to use is that a flare to you know there's some tension i think that definitely in most would they would prefer to have some kind of commendation with the united states. and. i think we should keep in mind that these are it was important but turkey's also very important for our show and i don't think that our show will take any measures did. her job because there are some turkish corporation right now because if turkey's oh out of the pros is if turkey is all out of the league do you know we have a problem i mean there are some syrians everybody has a problem so i think that. they might. make

a case. to be my demonstrate that there are there was a variety of options and they can choose from this very to be whatever he's appropriate at a given moment but i think. it would be prudent to least i hope that it would be if i can. take you back to these. seeming idea of the no fly zone over syria or at least the idea of jamming satellite communications there it is an open secret in moscow that russia has tried repeatedly to get israel to notified about their upcoming missions with a very limited success israel usually either fails to do that or doesn't do the very last minute do you think after that incident that's gone the change it's hard to tell because of course is there is a concern that you've been able to fire options well in advance. russians can leave

this information someone who is very much trust is all about if your claim they don't trust well. in the case of syria. it's hard to talk about of. both i think that. it would be difficult to write no tories to work between devotion military and these are the counterparts in the judge and statements coming from the russian ministry of defense. that our military is a really. right you know and. i don't think it's only arrested i think that that is more than that after maybe there was some kind of seed of communications that means that they are likely to proceed with this intelligence to job satellite communications which leads me to another question then because i interview a lot of current and former israeli officials and they all carry this narrative that israel can strike anywhere anytime when it's security is involved which is you know montra geopolitical political and military but i think it's almost

a social mantra right now can that mantra be changed because of the russians because that's what actually the russians are pushing forward to that this idea of jamming all satellite communications so i think that border russia can do. increase their costs. for israel if israel continues. such behavior what extent i mean the one thing you know you know them denies there is but you know you thinking out their own their point it's very clear you know you for we're archer. is terms for him as to be hunted into syria. and basically using. these systems to syria it's so these systems i'm not going to be controlled by russians i just that's how i read the decision it means. indeed.

israeli planes can be grounded because these systems are arguably much more sophisticated the ones that syrians used to be sold to cost so for these strikes for israel will go and that's why either of those will come so under both of these terms for now it's not just the israeli aircraft that's helped orating in the syrian air space without them and they damn arrogance that they are to this thing they will play along with this russian lake new order. well of course no one who. formerly recognize their legitimacy over there are some decision they would say well you know we don't. feel that we have to abide by the decisions made by most or even by by bashar assad and nobody read your article terms but in practical terms they will taken notice i think that would mean that. they will need. different level of

communications with the russians to avoid tension taxes because again nobody wants to the best of my knowledge nobody wants to see these really were american aircraft their own didn't know bomb nobody wants to see another crisis around it but russia wants to have an impact on the really behavior. of the us behavior and the other way around so it's a very delicate game and i think that both sides have. some kurds on their sleeves that the can put on the table that it's an appropriate moment now president obama and his syrian policy was often criticized for. drawing red lies that he couldn't or wouldn't then force or rather lines that bad actors in the region would be motivated to demonstrably break i wonder if russia indirectly

is also trying to draw some sort of rad lines across the syrian air space that with that you know bad actors in the region or even its partners its adversaries maybe i'm motivated to contest openly you know was the key word in your question is indirectly and that makes a difference you know russia did not announce a no fly zone. never stated that that is a red light but. responded in kind by supplying damascus with more sophisticated to defend systems i think this is there are certain approach not to state something especially if it is very difficult to. to stand by the decision in indeed you know with so do with obama but even in these early you know when the israelis say that

iranian presence in syria is an acceptable for one doesn't mean you know they had a hand i'm not how i know they may go into you know to start a major ground offensive in suited to push out are they ready to start a real war well apparently not so you know sometimes you know these lines are good for political rhetoric. they might be misleading de facto the iranian presence in syria is a recognized by these or they don't like it they would like to be alt but they understand that these particular juncture it is not a realistic to expect iranians to his door. and i think the same could be applied to many other. situations within syria including themselves the west including

believe including what's going on in the east of the throttle so we were not there are many many. regional situations we are. positions taken but all sides understand that there are limits and there are the lines of they cannot girls well mr carter now we have to leave it there but i really really appreciate you being with us today thank you thank you for inviting me thank you ma'am. these are mirrors to keep this conversation going on our social media pages and i hope to syria again same place same time here and while the part of. our.

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