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powers find themselves to save the sanctions on north korea the west china russia. different approaches. you can find out more about this story on our website. i'll be back in an hour. meanwhile the prospects for peace in libya. welcome to. war against the taliban has dragged on for seventeen years but it shows no signs of defeat what are. the bloods. well asked afghan deputy

foreign minister. the war against the taliban has been bogged down in stalemate for seventeen years now and almost top of all afghans have grown up knowing only conflict without any prospect of peace is going to be dealing with an insurgency forever and any government in kabul perswade the guerrillas to sit down and negotiate and when will the war torn country finally begin to start healing. deputy foreign minister next year and thank you very much for being part of the show today great pleasure to ghana is always such a hot topic of discussion. so the latest version of afghan war that has been going on for seventeen years doesn't seem like anyone close to claiming victory. how long do you think this stalemate will last. you see there is an effort to

get through the what does. and the still meds militarily. that is an approach toward peace and reconciliation and one but then that hunt. to concede you see in a council i live on elements because in this war and this fight. real serious terrorist groups. in what is going to change them a sense so they are. there for the destruction of the afghan community afghan way of life but also dealt with in the region so. you know. focus on the peace and the consolation to you. to bring stability in afghanistan we should also keep in mind that with the groups whose interest whose goal is to spread terrorism money the next two museum in the region we need to fight on that will continue as long as we can through the all of afghan leaders past present

have told the same thing that this war needs to be negotiated till the very end is there a reliable taliban leadership that could actually negotiate with. i think that has been one of the difficulties of the taliban's address on the leadership because the leadership is outside the country and we have these sure quit the show. sue to reach them. and to find them has been a difficulty. you know in the past we have groups who are poor peace but then also you have groups who are against these more i think there is an obvious which is and there is a political office of follow up with who are to whom we are talking but then of course the elements within you know afghanistan they have a different approach to. at least the alter that we have right now we are trying to

reach peace with them what kind of a settlement is really stink right now what kind of concessions to the taliban in a post-war settlement do you think are feasible. you see that is something that needs to be left for negotiations because we are not. at that stage we are right now the stage of facilitation so how do you best case scenario i'm sure you see probably my viscous somebody who will be of my own view but you know i need help the man needs the name assad government it means you know the ass to be compromises the two sides has to accept it's the best solution a compromise solution but one thing which is very clear and i think that this been made clear again and again by our leadership and also by the international community was helping guys including. russian federation and the leadership that we spoke with this that that state in afghanistan is something very important

something very precious and the problem has been in the past for the years and every time there's a change it's a state which has changed. it's you know as to which collapses so if we keep destruction of the states whatever happened within the structure of our state for and in terms of the governance and the way of governance you know how much accountability and responsibility and the concentration of decentralization delegation of power i think this is something that we can negotiate and discuss but the all the structure of this state which we have you know put forward in the in the since two thousand and eleven supposin in the one i think that has to be kept intact which means that. we should not go from a republic which we had people on the side of the name on it with a few clergy in this i think that is. the overall framework that we are thinking about within this framework i think there are many things for me was stations and

that's how southern men should look like so when it came to obama administration it was very ambiguous about this about talks with taliban in a way in the shooting process is them being really tough militarily on taliban on the field that the current administration is actually more favorable accepting of the idea of talks and you think these are just empty words or are they going to follow up on them. you see even in the past the those on eleven when there was a search of the nato and u.s. forces in afghanistan that thing the surge sure was a means to an agent. and was peace but the meaning was just to bring the thought on and to negotiate think the money you know to exert enough military and security pressure on the town of punctures you know happen every bit of the war to be a few experience of this in riyadh now and if you had is that the military leaders believe that it's enough to bring this insurgent know something that has groups on

the negotiating table you have to show dissolve i think that even the aim of the surge at the time was last shooting destroys all for the peace. but the problem was with the with the dates because you know if you're now owns them look you know exerting this much provision and this much span of time of course those fellows will not fight you deal with height so for the time to come to any of this is i think one of the one of the reasons one of the difficulties that's shot so they announced the end date we're supposed to do those and then ten and we finish in two thousand and eleven that i want to look at five to four all in all just they went out to pakistan and even though we fight the americans and when the time overbet came back right now it's different it's not only a question of only talk you know the south asia strategy if you had stayed is score south asia's not only for afghanistan because they also recognize that the centuries that the basis of thought of on the basis of. mother foreign fighters

should not forgive the most was not from a photo. or in pakistan so i think it's sort of you know a pleasure both on pakistan on taliban both at the same time that the offer of peace we're getting to pakistan because there's a lot of discuss this change in power but there is also a change in creative diplomacy in america so when i can say is we're ready to talk to afghan taliban directly afghan taliban is also saying we don't want to talk to the afghan government we want to talk to the to washington directly what happens if you are left out of the process that's a possibility. i think shouldn't be even a possibility coming in the minds of anyone either in that region or in the united states because. this is the boss for the yes we have there he may have to fix variances off when the you know when you leave the government the central government of a country the legitimate government thing you know behind then you go and talk behind their back which has not happened you're not going to let this happen in any

case. i think the tactics of this terrorist groups on insurgent groups all has the same you know we have this. during the eighty's when i wish i didn't want that to talk but it soon to moscow at the time and we saw the result of that you know that it was a complete collapse of the system and cover so. so they want to show them look you know we're going to talk to the american but i think this is what the consensus is that the peace in afghanistan has to be afghan owned afghan that i'm through direct talks between the afghans themselves the others can facilitate maybe many would argue that taliban in arkansas to taliban are afghans so that's what i'm saying that you know between afghans between us and the town of so that should be the peace and mediation is facilitation always happens and all the pieces are on the wall you need somebody you know at the level of confidence building and then the law of god in days because they want some gathering to do that with this you know i

believe in going to be full for the implemented they really understand this you know we're rather they actually to get indeed the peace agreements or to facilitate like you know why they're moscow because of the system of they've been used to it we have a form of regional forum called the mosque a form of beside the other is the q c g which is united states and china we have a heart of a show which happens in tokyo stumble so it is so we have multiple forus could guarantee and also confirm some of the than media so anything behind the afghan government would be counterproductive so you mentioned pakistan couple of times in the interview and many afghan officials that i have spoken in the past mostly blame pakistan for the mass that afghanistan is in pakistan now has a new prime minister in round one he seems to be more progressive very popular with the people do you think anything will change with him in power oh you know we are hoping so we really hope that you know with him not hot and poor things could change also to take lead whenever you have a change of leadership in

a country there is in there for a chance to change policies so we can be looking forward to see some off on a strategic changes within pakistan's. which of the box phones mines that we use if you have on a sun piece enough around the sun and there are you know broader push toward that region in the. us with whatever which has been in pakistan for many years so if we see a sign of change which we have not so far because we understand the problem some of the. other places. we are expecting that you know reason for him it will be good that if you could do something which is for this is a school not do that we had the former minister who came to kabul we haven't heard something new because we have all what we have in the us of one thousand years just right they had with that so i think the time of that is over between you know the two countries that comes to the admission ship but we are very optimistic we think

that you know you can think out of the box as a new person is not part of those. political parties which has been in the past in the past couple of decades that we are working with them so some of the new someone you close to military which some other but we advantage if you could use it properly so we think that that could be healthy. take a short break right now when we come back we'll continue talking to afghanistan's deputy foreign minister. talking about the prospects of peace in this country afghanistan stay with us.

i don't think that there is. some home destroyed. i don't think but they really. are also. interesting that unfortunately many in israel and in the united states are simply very noid about you're on the road it's. hard to imagine. the war a nazi don't tour was still active. in the nineteen seventies cretonne had as the chair of its board a man convicted of mass murder and slavery. a german company develops a little mite of a drug that was promoted as completely safe even during pregnancy it turned out to have terrible side effects what has happened to my baby is anything paul you know

she said is just cut short arms minix a little mind victims who have to this day received no compensation they never apologized for the suffering they. not only want the money i want the revenge. the democrats are not socially liberal they are pro-war and so are the republicans and the problem people have a trump is that he's pro peace and that's not acceptable in america today that runs except for against iran. well you know that todd todd walking the walk and you know you have to do it you have to do but he's not actually going down the path that hillary clinton clearly was going.

way back with afghanistan's deputy foreign minister nasser and disha. for. pakistan i've got to say has always been a tool of rivalry with india and now when i'm home is trying to cool down its relations with india so maybe that could be a big change you see that really wishing the best. it's a very difficult thing case i think this to some be pakistanis it defines the whole idea. of this country has created based on this ideology golf you know fighting against india or being against it but but what about afghanistan could do and that you know i remember two thousand and seven five when we were. much more peaceful down to they even you all for can we do something for pakistan and india could come together with each other on our side we have done everything possible to for both

countries to look at afghanistan as not the place of like release a place of cooperation if you countries could cooperate with each other billions of dollars out of trade would benefit for both of them because of indian goods and services the indians technology could go to pakistan not on the sun come to russia and go to europe i think everybody would benefit you know somehow this ideal of trade liberalism doesn't work in that part of the world so we hope one day it will but you know how those big powers are especially the nuclear powers he is trying to stabilize his relations with india now hopefully it works but u.s. pakistani relations have soured do using there's a danger that they actually mean mess with the americans by giving more support to taliban. but you see that i think that's something that they have to understand i'm sure they do in pakistan has a strong establishment you know some of the tree and split the leaders of the nation they should probably know the limits of going to want all of one on think minds and united states. so i think the whole the whole idea of south asia policy

if united states has to stoop to to convince the pakistanis that's what they might interest you might seek in supporting talo. this is not feasible it's not desirable for the future of this kind of the which is called pakistan it's a huge nation it's a vibrant society it's a second the which could be you know us prosperous other any other countries was going in the same speed as south korea in the one thousand seventy's but now is lagging behind it's one of the bloodiest so we hope that you know when it comes to decisions functions take the side of peace prosperity commerce trade and international cooperation rather than a not terrorist group that this think that they think that it could be as a tool of their foreign policy musically and then there's china well can it play do you think it could play any role in peace negotiations yes you know china can be a major player in peace and prosperity in afghanistan china has an important in

a strong neighbor of help understand you know the whole idea of both under the it which is unfortunately an old. bypassing of on islam but it's going south and pakistan is going north and central asia there are links to be built within this bill done to. help on a sunny comity in future but right now security was china is involved in moscow for months but also in q c g which is the quadrata record mission group of china pakistan you know stephanopoulos and so they are interested they have their ways and i think they have faith in the very serious of the foreign minister level that the issue of terrorism and afghanistan need to be finished. then there is a topic of afghan army. so it's spread across the country with taliban still making capturing religious capturing military bases does to afghan military have much staying in power left and i can't answer that question you can

kill me but i can answer why is it still on a defensive after seventeen years of so much investment and being trained by the world's best soldiers. you know one hand that. you describe the situation and i think that's this close to reality that being the spread there of the country we all are you know if i think in each and every corner of afghanistan but the second part of this i think i can they're going to give some a bit more explanation on the other side of it you know that all means are belt trained fit again trained and then sent to some wars some point but ours is not like this they were just it could trained a little bit and then they start a fight so you don't have the space off you know so enough recuperating going back to some sort of trainings or changing from one place to

another so it's it's the way that they you see that you know you walk on you to go so that's what's you know what he's doing gun because that happened toward the end you know when i was talking about the this surge in military. forces in afghanistan to those a month it was the time also he was a surgeon belling the afghan army because in the beginning they were like twenty thousand thirty thousand fifteen thousand of going to some doesn't need a lot of meanness only please i think these are the ideals of international community and our friends our donors which were wrong from very beginning we told them to look you know this is a mountainous country it has valleys it's so difficult to control them it's no they know small on the open plains that you've got and you can control it so and it's also a smaller there's a terrorist could go to the other side of the border and then they come back so the decision to increase the i'm going or may have to deliver to have them fifty plus thousand that we have right now it was after two thousand and ten so if you look at this and then we also pushed the ten year old me quickly because we're getting out

so this army is doing the job of one hundred twenty thousand well trained international forces including mid to sue and the cost of those people like you know. per person would have been something about one million dollars if you compared to what we have this is you know peanuts especially media so yes we have the we have been in defense of a little bit in the past because prisons and you know we decided that this sure you know i just shot for peace knots you know being often said so we told the public on the look you know we respect the cease fire which they did of the beginning but they didn't do it with a decently the president the defense minister on national security council us all of the you are on the phone off friends but we need to look at this strategy that do we need to really you know fight in the should because like an insurgent a good enough force because we're facing a force which can do it come can vanish and say you know that sometimes i'm thinking taliban doesn't even want to win the war because it's so much more

comfortable as a position to be seen as guerrillas and fighters for motherland than to actually run the country it's more comfortable now. we are looking at the some of the people who told me the same thing they know why i thought of one wants him to come when is of course something we don't believe that the other one can do when the way that they define when in one thousand to six they come with pickups inside the kabul that's not the way that we're going to be defined but you know an insurgent group will always have cohesion will always be a demand to size when they are in the jungles in the mountains and in the villages because they are not as responsible as the government should be you know they can they can enforce they had to do violence but you know the minute they came in of course they would lose them they would be difficult for them but i think but i think their own elements that the thing that the wall has been for long enough and there is nothing left in their life they have not seen you know. the life that they

with peace was like healthy a country they have been born after they were at their last words you know where they haven't started is there is that hope for us that this is generational change or something and they come to be on the news in the nation and. needs a new approach but that generation doesn't know a life without a war from day one that they were born seventeen years ago the only thing they know is war they don't even know another way of life can exist the moment the thing that is if you if you look at afghanistan off before two thousand and one i think that that would have been correct through the transition of what happened because there that time that it was as i said that you know as it could be for any country like you know probably made us the african cup but that's not the case right that even the people who are living or go to war and he has which are contested by thought of what they have access to do to the sonata they saw them box of soviet technology they have access to internet access to this what's happening in the cities. i think they want something new for them but one thing to you right is that you know that's

why we try you know peace is costly to in kochi of the culture of peace because if you're going with a culture of war then the water is the real life so i think that is the social difficulty that we are facing that's why you know we're trying to reach peace so we're trying these these ceasefires for those fighters who are just born into those on on the two thousand and two and now they are seventeen eighteen years old to come into the big cities and to see what those life has changed for the afghan people you know we have hundreds of thousands of young afghans who the guards just plain themselves and they have come up to a level that they can much anyone out on the region so i think that that disparity is that we're going to do that and there been any us but if you want to choose to reduce this disparity discounts on lead to the people in the villages war associated to some extent with the about to come and see the light of us change and they can be part of this changed afghanistan some of the afghan officials that i

have spoken in the past have said that when they ask how can taliban in essence win a war over rifles against modern technology because that's what it is like because taliban are more connected to people than the afghan military at this point. and we need more foreign forces to help us fight taliban do you feel that's the case would you need more nato forces one sample to help you fight taliban team you want trump to reinforce its presence in afghanistan what expect of trouble you see i don't think you know we need to go back to invite more foreign force i think that's position that's also the position of the government that. we should do it ourselves because in any case even if there is a number of contention so they will have to go back one day to get to their countries so on that i think it is a no but yes to stay with us. to help on a stone overcome these difficulties. and to hold this generation of change to

happen because the these changes in countries in conflicts like afghanistan has to be generational in the sense that you know the generation of the to those unlike for example you know my sisters they went to school after two thousand and one and now she is in the for the head off needs so she needs food with more time to be empowered to play the same thing happens to you know many of the boys and the guards so. on in any insurgency in any conflict like this if the governments are support that they have the staying power is the insurgents that i don't think mutely will decide that look you know we can be in the mountains we can be in the jungles for the north for the think it's the same like up into falk you know the if i think it's not even a nine hundred fifty s. our system one day maybe so but ultimately to find out that the nimble got out there will be elections there will be you know restaurants the people are going coming yes you can explode bombs but people will continue with the real life in our

community you have to come and join our history has been difficult in the past because it was insurgent every time which has come to come so i think we want to change this and that change will happen with the new. with the believe in our part in the. state that the sooner. we can give up that let's keep supporting this you know with whatever they can so we can have elections you know we can live the way it happens. if it's for the state collapses i think then you have to start from the very beginning which is not good for you. for a minister and thank you for the center again good luck with everything thank you very much.

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