what has happened to my baby anything. yeah she said he's just. so they don't mind victims have to this day received no compensation they never apologized for the suffering. not only want the money i want the revenge. oh and welcome the cross talk we're all paying for consider time peter lavelle us president donald trump took center stage at the united nations this week the middle east was very much on his mind particularly in iran for some sitting in the general assembly trumps words were simply laughable however what is happening in the middle east and beyond is anything but funny.

talking around and the middle east i'm joined by my guest in london he is a military analyst and in new york we cross the. he is a partner at global growth advisors international strategic consultancy group are gentlemen cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciated let me go to new york first i'm sure you saw donald trump's speech to the united nations much much of it had to do with the ran and how donald trump sees the world we all do know that in the general assembly diplomats heads of state well found some of his commentary funny they laughed ok a short montage of what he had to say using his words here iran's leaders so chaos of death and just. so to arabia the king and crown prince. pursuing bold new

reforms and israel proudly celebrates its seventieth anniversary as a thriving democracy. that created a lot of giggles and smiles. what was he trying to say is this a path towards conflict because we're going to talk later in the program about how the europeans are trying to move away from the dollar system by creating its own swiss system and we can talk about what's going on in syria what happened in that speech is it has any meaning consequence in your mind go ahead in new york. peter you're right the president i think he kind of makes up his ideas because he starts a lot by again as a self center individual that he is and i think he thought that he's talking to it to his constituents somewhere in west virginia rather than to a global body so what we saw with the president he came out and he said his administration has done much more than any other administration in history of the

nature and if you can make german diplomats laugh you are really doing something wrong but securely on the u.n. g.a. united nations journalist that general assembly opening but also the president of the united states had a very very harsh words for iran just that morning the president nice this tweeted and called mr rouhani iranian president a lovely man and then a few hours later the acted on the center stage of the u.s. also i have to say the numbers that the president throw out in particular with the numbers of employment those are wrong we did not lose that many jobs as he said that you're trying to be lost and want to make sure here in the united states that he's be controlled by space is not going to be in place it's going to be replaced with other financial mechanism but let's talk about the short term first of all i think about that are we and others in the white house in particular trump administration or periods over. not what the europeans are doing they thought by

evening to iran to have chased away will fall apart it has not thus far now let's take a look at what the europeans are doing do europeans are following what the international community has committed to do the same international community the same u.n. security council that the united states voted to if you will enact. if you will the security council receive resolution twenty two thirty one which again president. very much so overtly violated the backing may well let's go back to this financial making this and if we look at it in the short term the europeans are trying to help iran but in the long term what the united states has done through the mechanism of sanctions and punishment in that strike be a unilateral manner it has a. way divert the attention of its forces allies since the second world war we're going to get the u.k. politically got trance and we're looking at germany to go together with as the

americans will call it strange bedfellows such as russia and china to find a mechanism to in a way reduce the influence if you will this eight hundred pound gorilla so the bigger signal is the iran deal and if you will the j.c. feel it is becoming a preview for the world to do first to fight it way it's my national making them from washington and from play actually frankly new york at our national events so perfectly put come out and you know one of the things again one of the ironies is that you know donald trump wants a new deal of some sort with iran and the iranians will come to him but at the same time he's demonizing a government that he says he's willing to sit down and talk to he's demonizing a government that he'd like to see overthrown i mean that is a galling contradiction go ahead in london. absolutely any talk of a new deal is unlikely to go down well even in the european capital. because

however flawed the deal might be all european countries supports it and it's working we heard quite a few heads of states even yesterday say that iran is sticking to their side of the bargain there is no need to finish this deal and we see the u.s. is also putting pressure on countries like india japan and even turkey not to do business with iran but again if anything else it's backfiring because even turkey is moving extremely close to iran on loads of business deals and turkey is a good example where a nato member which is feeling more and more isolated within the nato and is now feeling closer to russia and iran with regard to the middle east but also business and would respect sort of dollar a lot of countries in there are deciding to trade in their local currencies china is trading in the yuan than most of south asia in east asia so it's a recurrent theme all over the world the more the u.s. pushes or rather more trump pushes against institutions and countries the more it

seems to go against them you know we go back to new york with you i mean we're going to in the second part of program i want to talk about syria but i work come hourly mention it it is quite interesting and i'm glad you have a historical perspective here we had we have now a deal that turkey and russia made visa v. syria to deal with and we'll talk about the as three hundred but that deal was made with a member of nato in russia without the united states involved that is something new we haven't seen something like that before so you even within the alliance the united states is not being able to control all of its members go ahead in new york . right preterperfect well i think that you that have taken place right now. or frankly anybody. they realize that international law or they are in that location so what the turks are worried about is are worried about the refugee frankly what do you when germany is worried about is worried about the rip. if this

if you will war will not be and we're going to have a problem at the end of the day what we have why through syria the region has been changing that chapter is changing it's moving away from this new long seven year civil war into a period of people isolation and reconstruction that's what we're seeing come on corrupt what we're seeing in moscow and ron and frankly elsewhere there is think we want to be part of that future dialogue and that's why we're seeing in a way that realignment. and turkey's leading the charge on dad rightly so ok gentlemen way to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on iran and the middle east stay with us.

join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guests of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. next geysers financial survival bill they say money the balance. close to these if this is a central plank support diagram and i'm going to call them right now so you stop to . leak.

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and the middle east. ok let me go back to come on in london here i guess i'll use an american phrase that i'm sure you understand it is there a new sheriff in the middle east because we have this issue after the fatal shooting down of a russian plane. and the russians put blame on the israelis for it. s. three hundred anti-missile system is being employed deployed there syria's wanted that for a long time and it was after this dreadful incident that they've now russia finally agreed how much is this change the game on the ground or in the air as it were go ahead in london. i mean it's a significant change and it just goes to show you the trajectory of the middle east over the last two years since russian intervention in syria russia is definitely the biggest diplomatic player not just. in syria and the middle east as

a whole to give you an example turkish of buying russian defense systems qatar resolve the saudis even the egyptians are but the s three hundred going back to syria means everything changes in the air because syria which had a very weak air defense system which kept getting attacked by israelis almost on a daily basis will now be able to stand up to these rallies effectively makes it extremely difficult for these released to attack syria because effectively that means simply attack the russian air defenses and so this really is a made a colossal mistake in downing the aircraft which they say is an accident you know it arose when new york you are you have to think that the russians and the syrians are doing something why right when john bolton you know goes nucular about it because the euro is a by bad decision by his logic it is a destabilizing decision i mean that counterintuitive thing it is the most stabilizing thing that could happen to avoid having this war continuing and to

spread i think it was a remarkable political military and diplomatic move go ahead in new york. right peter first of all i think what the russians did was a political. three hundred and let me let me elaborate on that if you weeks ago or nearly what we saw that the russian plane was shot down by the syrian forces because they thought it was israeli planes trying to go after a run in target this is a complex if you were dealing with in syria what the russian decided to do is a purely a political and here's the reason why deploying three hundred russians or containing a quote ensure danger and friction between the iranians and the israelis in the syrian geography purely what the russians are after the russians want to be escalate the situation their goal is not to put anyone on auckland more or defend the port and they decided the best way to do it is. which we need in this. new

chapter the new chapter is if the israelis should take any unilateral action against iranian. syria they will probably think twice or they probably will not do it or probably discuss it with the russians so that it's called deescalation mechanism all in all i think that what the russians are good at that. i don't think it or russians thinking or frankly russian satisfaction with when it comes to this issue from moscow made a strategic political decision by sending three hundred it was not a military decision and i think it was a long term wise decision and it was a long term game that the moscow plate in syria is going to come out come out you know you're a military expert do you think the israelis will test this missile system and that is being set up in syria do you think that they're going to go that far they're going to probe what do you think i think we have a very careful and highly unlikely that they'd go having said that the israelis

always test the limits of all the norms of war and they go to the extremes the syrians have been trying to get the s. three hundred for almost ten years and one of the key reasons it didn't get it was israelis were able to convince moscow don't give the syrians s. three hundred as i said even before the war because they know the s. three hundred was a game changer in the region so that's why i think it's significant for these release to still go after targets in syria and becomes extremely difficult for them to test it would actually be quite a task because they will be putting their pilots in grave danger. in new york do you think now because it was you know everybody has their red lines when it comes to syria and when the prior to the deal that the russian turkey made there was a lot of noise coming out of washington actually the british and the french and even the germans were even thing about parlaying in this. where does this change

this now because. if they're not going to be able to use airstrikes to support their groups and we can leave leave it unspoken what their friends are in. the living around i mean do you think that this is a and other move or are they going to actually consider stop supporting these groups here and actually find a conciliation point where these terrorists can be moved out where they go i don't know that's heir to one's biggest nightmare and but i'm skeptical of the deer the deal with turkey it has to get some legs for me to really believe in it. because turkey has a lot of culpability and a lot of responsibility to defuse the situation in italy because you know i've used the word sovereignty in this program many times all syria is a sovereign country and it wants sovereign control and once it will have is taken care of then the americans must leave syria because they're not they're not invited

there they're there illegally under international law go ahead in new york. sure peter i think it is a strategic we put it equally and frankly. geographically doesn't last rebel held cation region in syria and it would mark the end of the war in syria however i do not believe at this point thirteen actors in the region as well as the people in washington would like to see that and to have the problem if you will complicate so what they try to do is to try to shy the damascus moscow around to making an attack and we saw as a top ironically bank that iranians church sent the syrians and the russians for for their position and that the bottom line is this situation cannot be contained this way on the other hand we have a humanitarian catastrophe any type of conflict could make probably needs one to one point by. million refugees moving north towards the turkish borders so are you

know i think that what the challenge for moscow. damascus will be to find a way to you know wage separate from regional actors in the g.c.c. countries and as well that the washington to find a way. with some sort of a peace process with them and if that doesn't happen we will see some sort of open action and i think it is not best interest but with people but if you look at the summit thirty thousand feet peter the biggest and the most important thing is right now washington of the actors would like to drag this company at that that is not to the best interest. and i think what that what that the point that moscow and others are advocating you know kamali one of the interesting thing caviar is that russia is the only country they can talk to our most every single actor in this conflict here and you've seen it ceasefire attempts where the other parties didn't want to

see a ceasefire with the s three hundred zero. syria literally how it has its own sovereignty within its grasp this is segue to send a signal to outsiders to stop supporting their proxies because eventual e. ultimately it's a lost cause and i've mentioned before on this program the u.s. is there without a mission it's searching for a mission but if we have the regional players and i'm talking about riyadh as well and the israelis. you know they owe the russians right now ok this is an interesting moment and interesting diplomatic opening that could possibly be pushed forward because if airstrikes from abroad are off the table now maybe the cooler thinking what do you think. absolutely because if you look at the russian.

diplomatic maneuvers as you said they have been able to talk to every side in this conflict whether it's the israelis the turks various soon groups the syrian government of course and all the other arab league nations as well so the s. three hundred basically means a serenity of the syrian arab republic is restored and this is something the russians said they were here to do they want to support the state institutions of syria which is a legitimate recognized government in the united nations with more than half of the arab league also having their embassies in embassadors and this is important because a lot of people in the u.n. and nato keep saying the syrian government is not a government it's a regime it's a government and even within the arab league more than half of the ambassadors are in damascus so that means syria's government is recognized as a state and the russians have help them in the international level and diplomatic scene the chinese have also come into the indians to brazilians a south african which completes the brics took troika so the s. three hundred i think is the final. sentence that say's the syrian

back slowly but surely their military is also rebuilding while by other countries and proxies both think twice before attacking a country where it sits in the u.n. table if you. go back in new york it is finish up on iran here we have. personal lawyer giuliani rudy giuliani attending a. meeting in new york as well a group that wants to see the illegal overthrow of the government in or around the united states is a really big supporter of enormous every single way. is this and with the actions on all of this i mean is do you think ultimately the trumpet ministration will attempt some kind of regime change within because they're nonstop talking about around i mean they have they have iran on their brain one minute rosevear new york go ahead. short answer is i don't think so unfortunately everything that has

come out of much of trump's mouth and his national security advisors and secretary of state has been hectic what's the latest example of that is the state department i'm going up with a publication called out but it is not think if you will. think tank based ideology all iranians are iran activities are bad but that is another strategy so at this time however i do not hear strategy. if you will. what i do see is that they can not having a strategy could get us into very dangerous cross ground and those centrist grounds could lead to an end to on it and the consequences that would be the i hope it doesn't happen that way but i just too many tactics no strategy and that is precisely the danger peter yeah good example of that is keeping american troops in syria some kind of contingency plan waiting for a strategy to be had very very good point gentlemen we have run out of time many thanks to my guests in london and in new york and thanks to our viewers for

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